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OverlordSalvaged from archive11 Feb 2006, 18:10
Don't let the cartoon that caused all the violence in the middle east stop now. They're still a world full of infidels to burn so do your part and help the Muslims track down who else loves freedom of speech. BUY your T-Shirts on Metrospy with the face that started it all. Here's the link: http://www.shopmetrospy.com/ And the image of the T-Shirts HAHAHAH http://www.imagekafe.com/files/f168c.gif (http://www.imagekafe.com/) I love this because the situation is so ridiculous it deserves nothing less. :twisted:
ChebSalvaged from archive11 Feb 2006, 18:54
What is ridiculous is people taking you guys for suckers and trying to profit out of situations like these. Freedom of expression you say. Hey then, why dont we bring back the Nazis. Let them express themselves dont you think?
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive11 Feb 2006, 19:11
LOL wow.....they make t-shirts out of that. I wouldn't want to wear one of those though. Don't want to get into anybody's crosshairs.
OverlordSalvaged from archive12 Feb 2006, 04:09
What is ridiculous is people taking you guys for suckers and trying to profit out of situations like these. Freedom of expression you say. Hey then, why dont we bring back the Nazis. Let them express themselves dont you think? Aww. Hitler is so cliche. :wink:
GrimmancerSalvaged from archive12 Feb 2006, 04:25
What is ridiculous is people taking you guys for suckers and trying to profit out of situations like these. Freedom of expression you say. Hey then, why dont we bring back the Nazis. Let them express themselves dont you think? Nazis and Islam perfect together... Both believe they were the masters of the universe, both hated jews and wanted them wiped off the face of the earth, both believe in torture and killing innocent woman and children, both believe in training their young to hate... You know you might be on to something Cheb :wink: :lol: :wink: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/Grimmancer/deja_vu.jpg
GrimmancerSalvaged from archive12 Feb 2006, 04:46
Oh and the nazis are still around... the neo nazis as they like to call themselves have even had canadites in a few election around me LOL they will never win but yeah they are still about and and we as a free country allow them to express themselves. they hold rallies from time to time as well as the KKK...as much as I might hate them I will never deny their freedom so long as they don't break any laws... part of being a free country... Hey Cheb you ever hear about the moonies? now there is a peaceful religion! ;)
TomasUliSalvaged from archive12 Feb 2006, 06:31
Nazis and Islam perfect together... Both believe they were the masters of the universe, both hated jews and wanted them wiped off the face of the earth, both believe in torture and killing innocent woman and children, both believe in training their young to hate... You know you might be on to something Cheb :wink: :lol: :wink: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/Grimmancer/deja_vu.jpg brilliant post Grimm! :lol: :lol:
ChebSalvaged from archive12 Feb 2006, 08:32
You guys claim to hate ignorance yet you make comments like these. This is just pure ignorance. Just look at how you were so quick to compare Islam to Nazism even though by my post, I was talking about how the newspapers are allowed to insult our religion, but they dont allow Nazis to express their opinion because they feel it to be offensive. I am not saying they should allow them, what I am saying is that there are limits to freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Cross those limits and the result can only be a negative one.
GrimmancerSalvaged from archive12 Feb 2006, 09:17
Cheb newspapers can and do allow Nazis to express their opinion, all depends on the newspaper and the editor. But even if and when that happen, the people that are offended by it do not riot in the streets across the world, they do not kill over it, and there has been a few deaths from the Islam backlash. Hell a few weeks ago, I can not remember the paper but compaired American gov to nazis, you did not see americains rioting and killing people, and burning buildings. WHY because we have backbones and cartoons and statements and shit like that we brush off, and say "yeah whatever asshole" I do not know if you know this or not but Jesus is made fun of in a daily basis over here, hell hollywood even made a movie that was very distastefull to many christens a few years back... christians across the world did not roit... One thing you have to understand about living in a free country, there are going to be people that differ, make fun and even are cruel towards your views. Christians are poked at, made fun at 1000X worse then Muslims in our media, and newspapers and because they have grown as a religion, and they do not act like they did in the middle ages. I wish Muslims would do the same thing... you can not stop progress no matter how much you pray it is time Muslims learned that... and again it is a perfect example of what I have said before, - like little children, Muslims throw tantrums when they do not get their way or if they get offended or hurt. and when Muslims throw tantrums innocent people die. It is not us that are ignorant it is the 90% of the muslims that are so offended by simple ink that they feel the need to lash out... but if you do think about it Nazism and Islam are both fascist... Definition of Fascism: The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems. Simply stated, a fascist government always has one class of citizens that is considered superior (good) to another (bad) based upon race, creed, religion or origin. It is possible to be both a republic and a fascist state. The preferred class lives in a republic while the oppressed class lives in a fascist state. More than a class system, fascism specifically targets, dehumanizes and aims to destroy those it deems undesirable.
ChebSalvaged from archive12 Feb 2006, 10:32
I cant explain myself because non-Muslims just donât understanding how bad what they did was. It was not a political statement, it was an attack on the meaning of Islam and one of the most respected aspects of Islam. I have always stated that we should differentiate Muslims from Islam. I do not mind Muslims protesting in the street peacefully and boycotting products. That is our choice. When violence is involved that is just fucked up. But just a note, the deaths from the protests were caused by Americans firing at the protesters. Back to the violent outbursts by the Muslims; let me tell you how bad that was. In Lebanon for example, I saw people just going crazy and breaking cars and destroying property. I mean it was Lebanese owned property so what the fuck are they doing?? All the governments and religious leaders condemned all acts of violence caused by the cartoons. And no I dont think Nazis should be able to express themselves. I will not defend Islam when you compare it to Nazism. It just shows that you have a one-sided view about us.
GrimmancerSalvaged from archive12 Feb 2006, 12:05
Americans fired on protesters? I DO NOT think that had happened, as you suggested, we have very very strict rules of engagement, even when being fired upon there are times we are not allowed to fire back... We do not just shoot unarmed protesters... if it did, most of our citizens here would be in an uproar about that. I would like to know where you get your info from, but again I can not blame you because you do not have a free press. and NOT every country and every leader came out and condemned them, matter of fact Iran and Syria are behind most of it. One Muslim from Lebanon even admitted that the both goverments enticed and feed the fire so to say. but some have as you have said - "We condemn violence anywhere. If a non-Muslim country has mistaken or insulted Islam we should talk to them peacefully," -Ulema Council member Mawli Osmani Haqtalab Cheb, I do like and enjoy talking to you but you are a very librial Muslim compared to most of the muslims I have met and talked to, and trust me its been alot in the last 10 years. I wish all Muslims thought and acted as you, if they did I would never say shit about them. I am one sided, when it deals with facts. And Hindus are also very fascist too... Do not think I am just picking on Islam, it is just because we are talking about Islam that I have only compared Islam with Nazism. Fascism is commonly confused with Nazism. Nazism is a political party platform that embraces a combination of a military dictatorship, socialism and fascism. It is not a government structure. Fascism is a government structure. The difference is that Islam is a religious fascism, where Nazism is socialist but both mainly are ruled by a dictator. One quiick thing Cheb, you said, " I mean it was Lebanese owned property so what the fuck are they doing?" Does it matter whos property it was? It does not matter whos it was it was wrong! dont condem it just because it was fellow Muslims, and the Danish Embassy is not Lebanese. :D
MarkTSalvaged from archive12 Feb 2006, 18:29
I cant explain myself because non-Muslims just donât understanding how bad what they did was. It was not a political statement, it was an attack on the meaning of Islam and one of the most respected aspects of Islam. . These cartoons went virtually un noticed for several months until a "Danish" Imam decided to take copies of them to Egypt and Saudi Arabia, along with some cartoons that hadnt even been published, and try and stir things up, as is the way with these people. Islam does not belong in 21st century Europe. Get rid of it before it gets rid of us.
ChebSalvaged from archive12 Feb 2006, 18:59
What do you know about the press we get? We have everything from CNN, BBC, Sky news and a lot more news channels. Our papers write what they want to write about with few limits. I saw the incident I was talking about on the news. It was definitely a Western news channel because I dont watch Arabic news channels. But I cant remember which one. They said that protesters were killed in Afghanistan after Afghan police and US troops fired at them. The reason why I thought it would be true is because when I watched the same story on other channels, they didnt say how the protesters died. So basically that was the only explanation I got. There was an interview with an Afghan protestor that also said that the police and US troops fired at them with no warning. I am just telling you what I heard. This is an article about the incident: http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/02/06/cartoon… I know the difference between Fascism and Nazis, but you were comparing Islam to both. One quiick thing Cheb, you said, " I mean it was Lebanese owned property so what the fuck are they doing?" Does it matter whos property it was? It does not matter whos it was it was wrong! dont condem it just because it was fellow Muslims, and the Danish Embassy is not Lebanese. :D Grim I though you would understand this. Maybe I didnt get my point in clear enough. My point there was that the protestors did not give a shit about what they were protesting about. They just found it an opportunity to have fun and make noise. The fact that they were destroying Lebanese property supports this. And I already condemned the violence caused by the protests. I did not ONLY condemn the incident in Lebanon. Grim most Muslims are actually like me. Generally the Muslims that have not been involved in the violence first hand (while I somewhat have) have similar opinions to mine. It is mostly those that have been directly (and negatively) affected by the wars that have different views. But even between them there are many who are peaceful. It is just that there are some that act on their emotions rather than rationalization. Poverty, oppression and constantly witnessing violence can do that to people.
OverlordSalvaged from archive13 Feb 2006, 02:10
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/Grimmancer/deja_vu.jpg Totally laughing my fool ass off. Great image post!!!!!
OverlordSalvaged from archive13 Feb 2006, 02:17
What is ridiculous is people taking you guys for suckers and trying to profit out of situations like these. Seriously. I'm not suggesting that anyone go buy the shirt the post was only to show that this guy has the freedom of speech to put anything on a shirt that he wants. The same was the newspaper and cartoonist can print anything they want. The overreaction is that people have died in anger over a freaking cartoon!!! They had a art exhibit years back of a guy who made "Piss Christ" with urine. Offensive to Christians? You bet. Did we go out and start rioting and killing people like a bunch of fucking animals? NO. TELL ME AGAIN ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF PEACE. Nazis and Islam perfect together... Both believe they were the masters of the universe, both hated jews and wanted them wiped off the face of the earth, both believe in torture and killing innocent woman and children, both believe in training their young to hate... Great post. Amazing the similarities eh Grim? Both also were governments based around religious beliefs. Both were expansionistic and militaristic. Both spent more money building weapons of war instead of an infrastructure. Both were insanely anti-semetic. Both saw their own citizens as expendable for an agenda.... etc.
ChebSalvaged from archive13 Feb 2006, 07:45
These cartoons went virtually un noticed for several months until a "Danish" Imam decided to take copies of them to Egypt and Saudi Arabia, along with some cartoons that hadnt even been published, and try and stir things up, as is the way with these people. Islam does not belong in 21st century Europe. Get rid of it before it gets rid of us. So what are you suggesting. Put us all in one place and take us all out. "Get rid of it before it gets rid of us". That is exactly the way terrorits think. Talking to you guys isnt getting anywere. I think we should just agree to disagree.
GrimmancerSalvaged from archive13 Feb 2006, 08:47
What do you know about the press we get? We have everything from CNN, BBC, Sky news and a lot more news channels. Our papers write what they want to write about with few limits. I saw the incident I was talking about on the news. It was definitely a Western news channel because I dont watch Arabic news channels. But I cant remember which one. They said that protesters were killed in Afghanistan after Afghan police and US troops fired at them. The reason why I thought it would be true is because when I watched the same story on other channels, they didnt say how the protesters died. So basically that was the only explanation I got. There was an interview with an Afghan protestor that also said that the police and US troops fired at them with no warning. I am just telling you what I heard. This is an article about the incident: http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/02/06/cartoon… I know the difference between Fascism and Nazis, but you were comparing Islam to both. One quiick thing Cheb, you said, " I mean it was Lebanese owned property so what the fuck are they doing?" Does it matter whos property it was? It does not matter whos it was it was wrong! dont condem it just because it was fellow Muslims, and the Danish Embassy is not Lebanese. :D Grim I though you would understand this. Maybe I didnt get my point in clear enough. My point there was that the protestors did not give a shit about what they were protesting about. They just found it an opportunity to have fun and make noise. The fact that they were destroying Lebanese property supports this. And I already condemned the violence caused by the protests. I did not ONLY condemn the incident in Lebanon. Grim most Muslims are actually like me. Generally the Muslims that have not been involved in the violence first hand (while I somewhat have) have similar opinions to mine. It is mostly those that have been directly (and negatively) affected by the wars that have different views. But even between them there are many who are peaceful. It is just that there are some that act on their emotions rather than rationalization. Poverty, oppression and constantly witnessing violence can do that to people. I just read that article, you put up. in that article it said " Police fired at demonstrators in the eastern Afghan city of Mihtarlam after a police station was attacked, said authorities. As many as two people were killed by police gunfire." the station was attacked how can you blame the violence on the US and the Afgani police when it was the protesters that attacked them? the article also said, "Hours later, American troops fired on a crowd outside a U.S. military base in Bagram, killing two more people" though it did not say why they were shot but let me tell you again we have strict rules of engagement, if they fired shots it was because they were in danger, and again why were they protesting and trying to mess with americans, and the afgani police? both whom had nothing to do with it. I have to say they started shit, got bit in the ass by their action and now they are crying about it. Where is the Muslim outrage when a terrorist beheads an innocent man, woman or child? they are silent when that happens, but if you draw a funny pic or two they are ready to kill over it. I can not help but think that they are just spoiled brats, that only want their way... Anyway I agree with you when you said "My point there was that the protestors did not give a shit about what they were protesting about. They just found it an opportunity to have fun and make noise." though it has now been reported that Syria and Iran supported them, and enocouraged them to start up (If I can find the article, I will show you my friend, But i have also heard it from several sources not just one... I will see if I can dig it up)
ChebSalvaged from archive13 Feb 2006, 10:19
I think the shots may have been fired by paranoid soldiers on the US and Afghan side. They know what happened to the Danish and Norwegian embassy and I guess they thought that was the intent of the protesters there. If that was the intent then I would understand, but if it wasnt then paranoia got the best of them. Nah you dont need to dig it up, I heard about it. But I am not sure if I can believe that because I did not see any evidence to suggest that. I did hear some Lebanese people say that the protestors were mainly Syrian and they are the ones who started it. But I am not sure about how true that is because there are many Lebanese people that hate Syria. Cant say anything until more details come out.
AsymptoteSalvaged from archive6 Mar 2006, 17:25
Nazis and Islam perfect together... Both believe they were the masters of the universe, both hated jews and wanted them wiped off the face of the earth, both believe in torture and killing innocent woman and children, both believe in training their young to hate... You know you might be on to something Cheb :wink: :lol: :wink: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/Grimmancer/deja_vu.jpg Really now? Both beleive that they're masters of the Universe? Islam acknowledges God as the master of the universe, and that is not the case with Nazis. Both hate Jews? Shows how much you know about Islam. Both beleive in torture and killing of innocent women and children?! Islam condems killing any innocent person, whether a man woman or child-- and it also condems killing livestock and plants in wartime. Damn it Grim after all this time ur still in the dark.
OverlordSalvaged from archive7 Mar 2006, 00:45
What's really scary is that Muslims don't eat pork. Mmmmm. Pork chop sandwiches!
GrimmancerSalvaged from archive7 Mar 2006, 03:56
Asymptote - "Really now? Both beleive that they're masters of the Universe? Islam acknowledges God as the master of the universe, and that is not the case with Nazis. Both hate Jews? Shows how much you know about Islam. Both beleive in torture and killing of innocent women and children?! Islam condems killing any innocent person, whether a man woman or child-- and it also condems killing livestock and plants in wartime. Damn it Grim after all this time ur still in the dark." yeah that all sounds good on the books, just like christens talking about turning the other cheek... it might say, and some pratice it, but for the most it does not hold true at all. Yes most Muslims do think that any non muslim is worth nothing more than dirt... and if Islam killing innocent people then what is all the suicide attacks about? what was 9/11 about... or is it they do not believe in killing innocent muslims only... you can preach all you want that Islam is peaceful, and say that I am in the dark, but I have seen over and over again with my own eyes that it is far far from peaceful... You also stated - Both hate Jews? Shows how much you know about Islam... so you are saying that most muslims enjoy jewish company... that they do not make up lies, about Jews and Christens? you are saying that jews and muslims can live in peace? Ahhh yes they can as long as all the jews are rounded up and then kicked out of the mid east... again muslims ar the bigest babies and they want it their way or no way... thier way or innocent people die... no room to talk no room to compromise... - I am sorry my friend buy it is you that is in the dark, and in the dark about your own religion... I have seen first hand the evil that your religion has brought on, and yes I have seen the evils that other religions have brought on too, they are all guilty, but we all live on the same rock... and it is not Allahs rock, nor Christs, nor Gods... It is ours, (human kind) and we better learn to live with one another.
AsymptoteSalvaged from archive7 Mar 2006, 14:18
Asymptote - "Really now? Both beleive that they're masters of the Universe? Islam acknowledges God as the master of the universe, and that is not the case with Nazis. Both hate Jews? Shows how much you know about Islam. Both beleive in torture and killing of innocent women and children?! Islam condems killing any innocent person, whether a man woman or child-- and it also condems killing livestock and plants in wartime. Damn it Grim after all this time ur still in the dark." yeah that all sounds good on the books, just like christens talking about turning the other cheek... it might say, and some pratice it, but for the most it does not hold true at all. Yes most Muslims do think that any non muslim is worth nothing more than dirt... and if Islam killing innocent people then what is all the suicide attacks about? what was 9/11 about... or is it they do not believe in killing innocent muslims only... you can preach all you want that Islam is peaceful, and say that I am in the dark, but I have seen over and over again with my own eyes that it is far far from peaceful... You also stated - Both hate Jews? Shows how much you know about Islam... so you are saying that most muslims enjoy jewish company... that they do not make up lies, about Jews and Christens? you are saying that jews and muslims can live in peace? Ahhh yes they can as long as all the jews are rounded up and then kicked out of the mid east... again muslims ar the bigest babies and they want it their way or no way... thier way or innocent people die... no room to talk no room to compromise... - I am sorry my friend buy it is you that is in the dark, and in the dark about your own religion... I have seen first hand the evil that your religion has brought on, and yes I have seen the evils that other religions have brought on too, they are all guilty, but we all live on the same rock... and it is not Allahs rock, nor Christs, nor Gods... It is ours, (human kind) and we better learn to live with one another. You fail to see the distinction between "Islam" the religion and "Muslims" the people. That's all I have to say. And btw most Muslims don't see non-Muslims as "dirt."
OverlordSalvaged from archive10 Mar 2006, 01:53
You fail to see the distinction between "Islam" the religion and "Muslims" the people. That's all I have to say. And btw most Muslims don't see non-Muslims as "dirt." No they call them "infidels". :lol:
LTFSalvaged from archive8 Sept 2009, 09:14
I'm starting to get hungry. I may go to McDowells.

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