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crazyjoeSalvaged from archive13 Feb 2006, 19:03
It's an hour long. It shows some part of the 1st part then the 2nd part. I'm rather speachless after watching this video(copy and paste the URL) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263… I'm assuming this thread will get it's negative posts so that's why I put it in the fight room.
Farrell99Salvaged from archive14 Feb 2006, 00:15
Very entertaining
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive14 Feb 2006, 01:12
Entertaining? Did you not see the explosions in the floors under where the plane hit the Twin Towers before they fell?
OverlordSalvaged from archive14 Feb 2006, 01:48
W O W :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
tgd_02Salvaged from archive14 Feb 2006, 03:40
hmm....i dont know wat to say, but im definately reposting this link elsewhere
MarkTSalvaged from archive14 Feb 2006, 11:19
It's an hour long. It shows some part of the 1st part then the 2nd part. I'm rather speachless after watching this video(copy and paste the URL) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263… I'm assuming this thread will get it's negative posts so that's why I put it in the fight room. If you want this video seen by the general public, have you sent it to every newspaper, TV Station, journalist, radio station, anyone you can think of who will at least look at it. Not everyone is on the net, and it at least needs to be seen by a wider audience. Dont restrict yourself to media outlets in the USA either.
Farrell99Salvaged from archive15 Feb 2006, 23:22
Entertaining? Did you not see the explosions in the floors under where the plane hit the Twin Towers before they fell? Yes I did watch the whole thing. In fact I would say that there could be somthing to it
godschildSalvaged from archive16 Feb 2006, 04:48
According to Gerard Holmgren: Why would they want to demolish the WTC? It had been losing money for years. It's the most valuable piece of real estate in the world, but the buildings themselves were a disaster. Under-tenanted and beset by asbestos problems, the owner, the NY Port Authority had received warnings that it was sitting on a legal and financial time bomb. And of course, they couldn't be demolished because of all the asbestos dust that would go into the air of NY. The NYPA had been trying to sell the buildings for years, and understandably, nobody was interested. In early 2001, the NYPA went to court in a test case, and tried to get its insurance company to pay for asbestos renovations. The case was thrown out. This should have made the buildings even more unsaleable. However, immediately after this, Manhattan property developer Larry Silverstein, who sits on the board of Westfield America, stepped in with a consortium worth $US3.2 billion for a 99 year lease on the site. Westfield Australia directly contributed $A840 million for control of the shopping plaza. Silverstein insured himself for $US3.5 billion per terrorist attack, and Westfield insured itself against terrorism and loss of rental income. Not long after, when the WTC conveniently disappeared in a terrorist attack â along with building 7 of the complex â it solved the asbestos problem, leaving Silverstein with a clean building site on the best real estate in the world, and Westfield with a rental income which probably would have been unsustainable in a real trading environment, and no law suits over all the asbestos dust released into the air of Manhattan. Silverstein's insurer has agreed to the $3.5 billion pay out, but Silverstein is claiming that it was two terrorist attacks and wants $7 billion, which is currently the subject of a court case. As they say, follow the money. Now reread that and think about all the people in NY right now that are reporting and dying from serious lung and respitory related illness. We owe it to ourselves and to the people who have died to keep asking questions until the answers match up to the data. *** links removed****
OverlordSalvaged from archive16 Feb 2006, 13:31
God Bless Capitalism and America!!! I don't buy that this was totally engineered by the Bush Administration. That's going a bit too far and to be honest with I don't think GW Bush is that crafty or smart. But I do think the situation was "allowed" to happen through neglect, disinformation, and there definately seems to be so foreknowledge by calls from Condi Rice the Governor to California and the moving of the Fighter cover, etc. They had some idea what was going to happen and let it happen. Then seized every opportunity to take advantage of the situation. The stock trades alone show this to be happening. There is definately more to this story than we're hearing, without a doubt.
Uh ohSalvaged from archive16 Feb 2006, 15:07
we can not say for sure that this was planned, and the bias of this guy (obviously a conspiracy theoriest) seems to be very strong. but on the other hand, some of the points are extremely interesting to note. and to believe the government is the most truthful thing in the world is pure ignorance.
godschildSalvaged from archive16 Feb 2006, 18:42
we can not say for sure that this was planned, and the bias of this guy (obviously a conspiracy theoriest) seems to be very strong. but on the other hand, some of the points are extremely interesting to note. and to believe the government is the most truthful thing in the world is pure ignorance. yes, what I posted is from a known conspiracy theorist. One thing to keep in mind is that the OFFICIAL STORY other wise known as the 9/11 commission report is a THEORY. I do not know the truth about 9/11. I know how I felt then and what I was told, but it no longer adds up with all the evidence presented. DO NOT TAKE ANY STORY FOR ABSOLUTE TRUTH . ASK QUESTIONS AND DEMAND ANSWERS!!
OverlordSalvaged from archive16 Feb 2006, 19:05
Oh yeah, and try to remember to think once in a while between breathing, sleeping and crapping on yourself. LOL Grim, telling people to search for truth sadly says something in itself does it not?
AsymptoteSalvaged from archive16 Feb 2006, 22:55
I can't open it. Can someone plz tell me what happens?
GrimmancerSalvaged from archive17 Feb 2006, 00:00
I can't open it. Can someone plz tell me what happens? I am sure you have seen or heard of it, it says that the US government planned and controled 9/11 that terrorists did not do it that we did it to ourselves, has some facts and junk, some true some propaganda... I have seen it a few times over. It is interesting and does have some points but for the most part I think it is just propaganda, so you would most likely enjoy it :wink: Overlord you are correct when you need to tell people to hear all the facts and read all the clues, and to search for the truth... is sad... but most people rather not hunt, they rather be fed so they sit and feed on whatever BS is in front of them. godchild hit it right on the button when he said that (well said godschild)
silenthill22Salvaged from archive17 Feb 2006, 13:41
the video showing little explosions going in sync town the tower blow my mind...this is blatant evidence of a professional demolition of the towers and the 9/11 comissions, government and press totally ignore it like the guys sharing the videos are crazy
OverlordSalvaged from archive17 Feb 2006, 14:51
I can't open it. Can someone plz tell me what happens? Yeah 1:40 mins of facts, video, sound, and discuss. Want me to transcribe it here for you? :lol:
hiSalvaged from archive17 Feb 2006, 23:37
the video showing little explosions going in sync town the tower blow my mind...this is blatant evidence of a professional demolition of the towers and the 9/11 comissions, government and press totally ignore it like the guys sharing the videos are crazy It could be compressed air escaping. Think about it, all of the tower above coming down, the air has to go somewhere. But still, the argument about the steel, no getting away from that, it is just not possible that the fire the plane caused could have made the building collapse imo. Still, just because it wasnât just the plane, it doesnât mean the government did it. 150 Billion is not a huge amount for the US government. Certainly not worth blowing up 2 huge sky scrapers and part of the Pentagon for. They need to think more about why it was done. The evidence is just not there to say who did it, even if it was not caused only by the planes. And about them taking the cctv tapes from near the Pentagon. Think about it, something just blew a fucking hole in the Pentagonâs wall. They would probably like to know wtf it was that just hit them. If there is a robbery in a shop and the police take the cctv tapes, you donât accuse the police of robbing the shopâ¦
andrexoteSalvaged from archive18 Feb 2006, 02:49
govermnt didnt know about it...those ppl were not part of the gvmnt, but they were infiltrated behind them(not beeing alqaeda) wut they did knoe, was that something was going to happen, they were just waiting the perfect moment to do it, it was them or russians...again
godschildSalvaged from archive18 Feb 2006, 02:52
...But I do think the situation was "allowed" to happen through neglect, disinformation, and there definately seems to be so foreknowledge by calls from Condi Rice the Governor to California and the moving of the Fighter cover, etc. They had some idea what was going to happen and let it happen. Then seized every opportunity to take advantage of the situation. The stock trades alone show this to be happening. There is definately more to this story than we're hearing, without a doubt. Do you all understand that even if just this statement were true we are still talking about Treason at the highest level of our government.
godschildSalvaged from archive18 Feb 2006, 03:10
It could be compressed air escaping. Think about it, all of the tower above coming down, the air has to go somewhere.â¦ Yes it could be lots of things. Keep looking. The instances highlighted are single events in timed sequence. They do not occur at multiple places at each moment in question. But still, the argument about the steel, no getting away from that, it is just not possible that the fire the plane caused could have made the building collapse imo. Still, just because it wasnât just the plane, it doesnât mean the government did it.â¦ If that is correct then it still leads us to the question: who did do it? 150 Billion is not a huge amount for the US government. Certainly not worth blowing up 2 huge sky scrapers and part of the Pentagon for. They need to think more about why it was done. The evidence is just not there to say who did it, even if it was not caused only by the planes.â¦ No it is not. But there is also 400 billion for the wars in iraq and afghanistan and 12 trillion in oil and gas rights made possible by the pipelines now in afghanistan. And Do Not underestimate POWER gained from this. And about them taking the cctv tapes from near the Pentagon. Think about it, something just blew a fucking hole in the Pentagonâs wall. They would probably like to know wtf it was that just hit them. If there is a robbery in a shop and the police take the cctv tapes, you donât accuse the police of robbing the shopâ¦ Yes the police do take tapes for evidence. and that evidence is entered into public record at some point and time following legal procedures. But to this day those tapes in question remain "classified" as do the blueprints for the world trade center, the tapes of the phone calls from flight 93, and other pieces of evidence. Do not make assumptions yet. We do not know what happened. Everyone should start by reading the 9/11 Report Then FEMA's official report. Understand the US Gov's official theory and then compare that to the evidence.
hiSalvaged from archive18 Feb 2006, 12:49
Hmm good points. :) Btw, look at the warning on the DVD version: http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/6889/warning8sp.jpg Watch out guys. :P
OverlordSalvaged from archive18 Feb 2006, 14:25
Hmm good points. :) Btw, look at the warning on the DVD version: http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/6889/warning8sp.jpg Watch out guys. :P HAHHA that is awesome, I never realized that!!!
godschildSalvaged from archive18 Feb 2006, 22:19
SEC. 802. DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM. (a) Domestic Terrorism Defined.--Section 2331 of title 18, United States Code, is amended-- (1) in paragraph (1)(B)(iii), by striking ``by assassination or kidnapping'' and inserting ``by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping''; (2) in paragraph (3), by striking ``and''; (3) in paragraph (4), by striking the period at the end and inserting ``; and''; and (4) by adding at the end the following: ``(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that-- ``(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; ``(B) appear to be intended-- ``(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; ``(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or ``(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and ``(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.''. (b) Conforming Amendment.--Section 3077(1) of title 18, United States Code, is amended to read as follows: ``(1) `act of terrorism' means an act of domestic or international terrorism as defined in section 2331;''. Actually it does not include diseminating information such as the video does. This is a well made "shock" video because that is what works in the media. It gets your attention. The questions raised in the movie however are very real and deserve more attention. Several people are waking up to this now. At this time I am taking nothing at face value.
OverlordSalvaged from archive19 Feb 2006, 01:50
SEC. 802. DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM. (a) Domestic Terrorism Defined.--etc.... But it does nullify some of the shock value to find out the warning was a gimmick. Anyway I do agree Godschild that this video does deserve more attention. But it is no suprise to me that the sheep of this country would rather hold onto a less complete truth for convience's sake. http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6404/bushsheep8vb.jpg
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive19 Feb 2006, 17:48
haha i like that pic
ChebSalvaged from archive22 Feb 2006, 12:36
I am actually kind of surprised about the reactions here. I actually thought most would dismiss this video simply for the fact that it is a "conspiracy theory". I like what Im reading and agree with most of you. There seems to be quite a lot of evidence against the U.S government. However, I really doubt this will lead up to anything unfortunately.
tgd_02Salvaged from archive23 Feb 2006, 01:53
for my 100th post a picture! (thought that this was a bit appropiate for this topic) http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c184/tgd_02/th_govtlogo… (http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c184/tgd_02/govtlogo.jpg)
GrimmancerSalvaged from archive23 Feb 2006, 06:10
for my 100th post a picture! (thought that this was a bit appropiate for this topic) http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c184/tgd_02/th_govtlogo… (http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c184/tgd_02/govtlogo.jpg) that was great!!! Cheb, gald to see you have hope yet :wink: I personally do not believe that the US gov did it or was responcible or at least not in how most think so, I blame Clinton, I personally blame that coward,hippy, snake, weasle of a man for 9-11... it could have been advoided but... yeah the video is cool to watch, I would never take it word for word, but it does raise some questions that are honest....
Commando80Salvaged from archive23 Feb 2006, 21:57
also when the building explodes.. it looks like bombs are going off on each floor. also a UFO is sighted. and if u go to christianmedia.com/ you can see a picture of SATANS FACE in the smoke. it kinda looks like this but its not a smiley :evil:
godschildSalvaged from archive24 Feb 2006, 13:24
My favorite thing about this post so far is how many americans claimed to care about 9/11 but couldn't care less if their own government was involved. "Loose Change" is basic propoganda. But not one person on this site or any other will actually research the claims it makes. Not Grim, or Overlord, or Merr or any of the other True Blue patriots we get here everyday. As long as people die in other countries what do we care? THE NEW AMERICAN ANTHEM "You can have our Liberties just give us Security" I know how hard it is to wade through BullShit. But a real patriot would protects his country from enimies foriegn and domestic. DON'T GUESS, DON'T ASSUME, JUST LOOK!
OverlordSalvaged from archive24 Feb 2006, 17:17
"Loose Change" is basic propoganda. But not one person on this site or any other will actually research the claims it makes. Not Grim, or Overlord, or Merr or any of the other True Blue patriots we get here everyday. As long as people die in other countries what do we care? I'm confused on your point here. I watched the video, I comprehend what they're saying and implying. I also talked with my brother about the conspiracy theory (the one who's a Navy Intelligence Officer long before you ever posted this video) and he was part of an investigation internally if figure out more details about the pentagon attack. He can't tell me anything other than the "loose change" conspiracy was 90% debunked during the 9/11 commission. What I'm saying is this: what you and I think about this is not going to be solved by us. It will however be investigated by higher powers (such a congressional inquiries). I do email and talk to my local representatives as well and people such as my brother who are a part of the system. That's my duty to vote, to respond, to learn and react in my limited scope. Did I get on a bus and go to NYC and measure the concetration of plastic explosive in the dust? No. I'm not qualified, nor do I have the time to take away from my business to do so. But what the fuck else do you expect? I do participate in government. I do educate myself and I do support my candidates and do my part to push my elected reps to respond to the issues I'm concerned about. I take part locally in elections. My opinion counts because I talk to the people, face-to-face that make it count. Frankly I'm insulted by your comment. I'm not some pimply faced whining teenager that blows steam on an internet form and watches 6 hours of television per night.
ChebSalvaged from archive25 Feb 2006, 08:11
(edit...nevermind)
ChebSalvaged from archive25 Feb 2006, 08:55
for my 100th post a picture! (thought that this was a bit appropiate for this topic) http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c184/tgd_02/th_govtlogo… (http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c184/tgd_02/govtlogo.jpg) that was great!!! Cheb, gald to see you have hope yet :wink: I personally do not believe that the US gov did it or was responcible or at least not in how most think so, I blame Clinton, I personally blame that coward,hippy, snake, weasle of a man for 9-11... it could have been advoided but... yeah the video is cool to watch, I would never take it word for word, but it does raise some questions that are honest.... Why do you say that?
godschildSalvaged from archive27 Feb 2006, 14:37
I'm confused on your point here. .... Frankly I'm insulted by your comment. I'm not some pimply faced whining teenager that blows steam on an internet form and watches 6 hours of television per night. Most of my anger is directed at myself right now. As I have stated many times before I am considered one of the "sheep" that has only been concerned with my own surroundings and got my views of world politics from major media sources. You and the others have stated over and over how you research everything for your self and come to your own conclusions. I have sat back and watched and sometimes participated while you and others have heatedly defended America's right to invade foriegn nations in large part due to the events of 9/11. Never once had any of you mentioned any of the events discussed in this video. But you all often refered to our governments "theory" on many ocassions. So in order to prove "loose change" to be the bullshit it is, I have been doing my own research. So far I have read the 9/11 commission report. Chapters 1-9, the FEMA report on the WTC center. and am now working on the NIST report and The Congresional Inquiry. I am working on a point to point discussion of the topics covered in the "loose change" video compared to the government reports that would correspond to each point mentioned. Also I am trying to independantly verify the info used in the vid. I will post it when I am done but it will take awhile. Mostly this is for my own benefit since in doing my research I have realized the momentum these questions are generating among the general public. Overlord I was reluctant to call you guys out in such a disrespectful fashion especially since I have seen your arguments in other post and had an idea of the steps you take to get involved in government. However, until I poked you in the side with a cattle prod, your post in this thread tended towards complacancy in what might be the biggest act of treason ever. In fairness all of this could be total BS and the "official theory" could be 100% correct. However I find it more than a little disturbing that every piece of evidence that could prove the official story beyond a shadow of doubt has been classified. All efforts to get this evidence before the general public has been blocked either by the administration, congress, or the courts. Asking for congressional inquiries in the present national political climate is the equivillent of asking "the fox to watch the hen house". I only get an hour or so each day to play around on the internet. I have a wife and kids and run my own business, you know the drill, so I must decide what I will do with that time. I can either spend it looking up funny pics and vids or I can spend it looking into some of the most important events to happen in my lifetime so far. I don't know what you should do. Hell, I really don't even know what I can do. I do expect any one who uses 9/11 as a basis of their arguments to at least defend it against the accusations made in the video. But as far as offending you or hurting someones feelings, This is the fight room and is the intended place for me to express frustration with other members. P.S. crazyjoe posted the vid. and yes I remember from ealier post that your brother is in the middle of this shit storm.
OverlordSalvaged from archive27 Feb 2006, 21:55
crazyjoe posted the vid. and yes I remember from ealier post that your brother is in the middle of this shit storm. To be honest this is why I haven't dug deeper. Basically it's my brother's job to understand and dissiminate information. I would love to try to investigate what I can but all my sources would be either the media or the government and to be honest I don't really trust either side. I'm sure some things happened that will be hidden forever that our government is responsible for. For example the jet crashed in Virginia. Damage over miles. No fire pattern present. I had a long discussion with my brother that it could have only been a missile that blew that plane up in mid air and that the government made up the whole "Lets go" story to make the passengers out to be heroes. I was basically stating that the two F-16s which blew out windows in the area going supersonic at low altitude must have also took out the passenger liner with a missile and the government did not want to look like they shot down their own airliner because as much as it makes perfect sense, it is really bad press for the president. Now later the black box on the plane debunked my theory. The plane went down gradually and there is sounds of horrific fighting on the tapes to show there was a major fight for the controls of the plane. I appear to be totally wrong. Sometimes the evidence doesn't make sense because we're guess in what is happening. Sure it makes sense that the 757 that hit the pentagon would not have made that particular kind of hole... Maybe the light poles clipped off the wings before impact, I don't know. But I'm sure the differences in the facts are so the administration and branches of government are protecting their own ass and trying to maintain the respect and trust of the American people which is critical for them to do thier job. You'll hear me harp on the same themes on these boards but the most powerful one is exactly what people who are fighting this war are experiencing: There is no right or wrong. This is war. It's all wrong. There are different degrees of wrong but we only fight to win. After 9/11 American went into action. For right or wrong, good or evil only the history books 100 years from now will know. We could be changing the world for better or for worse but we don't know for sure while we're doing it. All we know is that with the path things were going US citizens were dying in terrorist attacks. More were expected on their way. The US is now taking action. War is being fought overtly and covertly worldwide. The US (just like every other powerful nation) is protecting itself and making change through politics and war. I don't like war. Otherwise I would be in the Navy alongside by brother. I prefer peace. But I'm not naive enough to NOT recognize that I'm here paying my taxes, and raising a family because someone over there is dying for me, in my place in a foreign battlefield. And I respect that.
godschildSalvaged from archive28 Feb 2006, 19:29
The US is now taking action. War is being fought overtly and covertly worldwide. The US (just like every other powerful nation) is protecting itself and making change through politics and war.. Yes it is but to me it makes a difference if that action is based on a lie. If it wasn't 19 men working alone but rather 19 men working with people in the US then it makes it really hard to continue to support these wars. There is a refernce to Germany in the early thirties in your quote but that is really getting into some shit now ain't it. (Reichstag) I don't like war. Otherwise I would be in the Navy alongside by brother. I prefer peace. But I'm not naive enough to NOT recognize that I'm here paying my taxes, and raising a family because someone over there is dying for me, in my place in a foreign battlefield. And I respect that. I don't mind war. it is absolutly nessesary sometimes. But choosing the wars we fight is not up to me, it is up to my elected representatives. My role comes in keeping them honest and letting them do the work they were sent to do. I am not naive enough to believe that I am honoring soldiers past and present by allowing allegations of treason go unchecked. There is not much any one person can do on their own. It takes a group effort and while it may take 100 years for the truth to come out, I will still do my part now. Like I said, My government gave me their story about 9/11 and are now using that to implement their view of world domination to protect my way of life. In many ways I have tried to be supportive even though on a personal level it is difficult to accept the atrocities of a war. World Domination Marches On With Or Without Me. Basically since our soldiers are protecting me and my family then I must protect them. That includes defending my politicians against false charges AND prosecuting them when the charges are real. Here is one of the best links I found so far. While there are some people on this site that make accusations the overwhelming majority are people asking questions that need to be answered. http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/IntroductionToS911T.html Also I am having a difficult time finding sites that argue in support of the "official theory" so if any one finds some links please post them.
AsymptoteSalvaged from archive28 Feb 2006, 23:59
Whew it's been a long time since I last came here. Anyways what did you guys think of it? I mean did you beleive any? Bin Laden claimed responsibility... At first he denied he had anything to do with it, then he said ya he was responsible for 9/11. And now this thing comes along. I think it's very interesting nevertheless and needs professional investigation (not government associated in any way).
ChebSalvaged from archive1 Mar 2006, 13:55
godschild I like the way you think. I hope you guys keep it up here ;)
godschildSalvaged from archive2 Mar 2006, 16:09
godschild I like the way you think. I hope you guys keep it up here ;) I owe you an apology Cheb. Like most Americans, I took my government at its word and went on to defend the wars that came after. Now I am looking back at what happened without all the fear and emotion that overwhelmed most people on 9/11. Too say the least, my government has been less than honest again(clinton reference) Osama changing his story is just another example of a "disgruntled employee"! The CIA was late with his check so he wouldn't play along either that or maybe he just didn't get the memo in time. Either way he is back on message now.
ChebSalvaged from archive5 Mar 2006, 05:45
godschild I like the way you think. I hope you guys keep it up here ;) I owe you an apology Cheb. Like most Americans, I took my government at its word and went on to defend the wars that came after. Now I am looking back at what happened without all the fear and emotion that overwhelmed most people on 9/11. Too say the least, my government has been less than honest again(clinton reference) No need for an apology. The fact that you are truly seeking the truth is good enough for me. I mean at first even I believed that Muslims did it until I really looked into it. Osama changing his story is just another example of a "disgruntled employee"! The CIA was late with his check so he wouldn't play along either that or maybe he just didn't get the memo in time. Either way he is back on message now. Yup that is similar to what I believe :). But like I said, nothing will change. The U.S is too far in it now to back down off anything. It is not until years from now when it does not really matter that the truth might actually come out. By then, no one probably would give a shit and all that will be said is, "that is history now". History really does repeat itself, we just wont find out for sure until we are history.
ChebSalvaged from archive5 Mar 2006, 12:33
I just read this article and found it very interesting. Especially the part about Neo-Conservatism. http://tvnewslies.org/html/the_truth_about_george_w__bush…
ChebSalvaged from archive5 Mar 2006, 12:36
Oh and if anyone thinks this is going off topic, I think the article and the video actually complement each other.
OverlordSalvaged from archive10 Mar 2006, 02:05
Yes it is but to me it makes a difference if that action is based on a lie. If it wasn't 19 men working alone but rather 19 men working with people in the US then it makes it really hard to continue to support these wars. Why? Most of human history (good and bad) are based upon lies. We entered WWI because the Germans sunk a "passenger" ship called the Lustintaina and that was a total lie. That ship was full of illegial arms we were traffiking to Britian. Most of western history was decided upon lies in diplomacy and false pretenses. Even the crusades were based upon total lies by the pope and priests to motivate the people to plunder the muslim lands. Most of what you and I think we know about human history are lies. History is written by the victor. No you either support your country and the troops or you don't. Personally, I can't support the war in Iraq 100% either but I support the troops. And if Bush and Co. made the whole thing up for a buck, well I hope they burn in Hell for it. But we'll never know. I'm just saying that as amusing as the conspiracy theory is, it will never truly be known. This country (as the world superpower) thrives on war. It fuels our passion, our people and our diplomacy. It's intregal to our system of government just as it has historically been for all western governments. Read more about WWI, especially right before it, it will blow you away. The same attitudes exist today, they're just tempered by the total devestation of WWII. In a hundred years the European nations will be in war again. It is the very nature of human beings, civilization, tribes and growth. As long as there are limited resources there will always be war.
GrimmancerSalvaged from archive10 Mar 2006, 03:44
Not only that but war also brings new jobs, new techs, etc... War has advanced us in more ways then most would like to claim... If not for war we would have been far less advanced... though to turn to coin, War too has also destroyed much. Christens went and burned almost everything down, thus the dark ages. But war sucks, I know... I honestly do know but at the same time if not for war... we would be like herd animals... Animals that are not herd animals fight one another and kill of their weak... most herd animals don't, unless it is mating season... Tribal, or family, or pack animals will kill over territory.. We are Tribal, Family and Pack Animals... by nature though over the years, and the softness we have gained some want us to become herd-like... have us lose our predator instincts... I pray that day never happens
Rajit25Salvaged from archive11 Mar 2006, 02:47
According to Gerard Holmgren: Why would they want to demolish the WTC? It had been losing money for years. It's the most valuable piece of real estate in the world, but the buildings themselves were a disaster. Under-tenanted and beset by asbestos problems, the owner, the NY Port Authority had received warnings that it was sitting on a legal and financial time bomb. And of course, they couldn't be demolished because of all the asbestos dust that would go into the air of NY. The NYPA had been trying to sell the buildings for years, and understandably, nobody was interested. In early 2001, the NYPA went to court in a test case, and tried to get its insurance company to pay for asbestos renovations. The case was thrown out. This should have made the buildings even more unsaleable. However, immediately after this, Manhattan property developer Larry Silverstein, who sits on the board of Westfield America, stepped in with a consortium worth $US3.2 billion for a 99 year lease on the site. Westfield Australia directly contributed $A840 million for control of the shopping plaza. Silverstein insured himself for $US3.5 billion per terrorist attack, and Westfield insured itself against terrorism and loss of rental income. Not long after, when the WTC conveniently disappeared in a terrorist attack â along with building 7 of the complex â it solved the asbestos problem, leaving Silverstein with a clean building site on the best real estate in the world, and Westfield with a rental income which probably would have been unsustainable in a real trading environment, and no law suits over all the asbestos dust released into the air of Manhattan. Silverstein's insurer has agreed to the $3.5 billion pay out, but Silverstein is claiming that it was two terrorist attacks and wants $7 billion, which is currently the subject of a court case. As they say, follow the money. Now reread that and think about all the people in NY right now that are reporting and dying from serious lung and respitory related illness. We owe it to ourselves and to the people who have died to keep asking questions until the answers match up to the data. *** links removed**** your theory is excellent... maybe it is true, we may never know. until you told the whole truth, no one ever does that anymore except you and me...
ChebSalvaged from archive12 Mar 2006, 08:48
[quote=godschild]Yes it is but to me it makes a difference if that action is based on a lie. If it wasn't 19 men working alone but rather 19 men working with people in the US then it makes it really hard to continue to support these wars. Why? Most of human history (good and bad) are based upon lies. We entered WWI because the Germans sunk a "passenger" ship called the Lustintaina and that was a total lie. That ship was full of illegial arms we were traffiking to Britian. Most of western history was decided upon lies in diplomacy and false pretenses. Even the crusades were based upon total lies by the pope and priests to motivate the people to plunder the muslim lands. You continue to do away with ethics, morality, fairness and all such qualities. So even though your government may be behind the attacks and have been lying to you all this time you will still support the war?? That is really sad. And the issue is not really about supporting the troops, there is a difference between supporting the troops and supporting the war and your government. Most of what you and I think we know about human history are lies. History is written by the victor. No you either support your country and the troops or you don't. Personally, I can't support the war in Iraq 100% either but I support the troops. And if Bush and Co. made the whole thing up for a buck, well I hope they burn in Hell for it. But we'll never know. Ok so you realize supporting the war and supporting the troops are different things. Waht I wanna know is if the US government really was behind the attacks, would you still support the war even less then 100%. Grim what about you? Plus the reason why you will never know is because you will never look into it. If you really do some research on what happened you would realize the evidence on Bush is much more convicting than the evidence on the "terrorists". I mean if you think about it all this Muslim - Terrorist, Muslim negativity was on a large part due to the attacks for most people. Then you wonder why there is so much anger in us. I'm just saying that as amusing as the conspiracy theory is, it will never truly be known. This country (as the world superpower) thrives on war. It fuels our passion, our people and our diplomacy. It's intregal to our system of government just as it has historically been for all western governments. Read more about WWI, especially right before it, it will blow you away. The same attitudes exist today, they're just tempered by the total devestation of WWII. In a hundred years the European nations will be in war again. It is the very nature of human beings, civilization, tribes and growth. As long as there are limited resources there will always be war. It well never truly be known because people will choose to believe what is easier to believe and what will require less sacrifice.
ChebSalvaged from archive12 Mar 2006, 08:56
Not only that but war also brings new jobs, new techs, etc... War has advanced us in more ways then most would like to claim... If not for war we would have been far less advanced... though to turn to coin, War too has also destroyed much. Christens went and burned almost everything down, thus the dark ages. But war sucks, I know... I honestly do know but at the same time if not for war... we would be like herd animals... Animals that are not herd animals fight one another and kill of their weak... most herd animals don't, unless it is mating season... Tribal, or family, or pack animals will kill over territory.. We are Tribal, Family and Pack Animals... by nature though over the years, and the softness we have gained some want us to become herd-like... have us lose our predator instincts... I pray that day never happens Grim I dont like the fact that you think human lives are worth these gains that you can probably get using other means. Let us say that the war was fought for the wrong reasons (oil, power, whatever). Are the young children that died as a result of that war worth it? Grim I would suggest that you look at your own family and think about that question. You have kids of your own and I am pretty sure that you would want NOTHING to ever harm them. Yet you feel like a war that kills innocent children is worth it?
godschildSalvaged from archive12 Mar 2006, 12:47
Grim and Overlord I will debate you about the events of 9/11 and what has now lead me to believe that members of our government and private sector citizens were involved but only after you both have looked into it yourselves. I woke up after four years now its your turn. You may not come to the conclusions I have but if you won't even look then you will really never know. Your arguments for why you do not look into these claims but still addamently support the military action since that event is really pathetic. History is to be learned from not repeated and technology has come farther during peacetime than war. Gains made during war have mostly directly benefited the ability to create more war. The most productive human advances have come from people advancing peace. And Overlord you have already argued that with the advancement of communications it is absolutly irresponsible for Americans to continue to be force fed their news and information. You may be right about one thing though. People who search for the truth MAY never find it, but someone who refuses to look WILL never find it. After you have read the U.S gov's official version of that day 9/11 commission report FEMA report on the collapse of the WTC Pentabom report on the attack at the pentagon NIST report Then Go to this site and see what the actuall counter theory is. http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/index.html For me it is the collapse of the towers. Phsically impossible without the use of explosives and even the governments own team of 200 scientist proved it through a series of test, experiments, and computer simulations. It is true that all types of civilizations ,even ours, have lied there countries into wars. Some just and some not. But it is not the past anymore and we can fight back now in ways that were not possible even 50 years ago.
OverlordSalvaged from archive12 Mar 2006, 22:53
This was good too: ex-MI5 agent (part one) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5403286136814574974 ex-MI5 agent (part two) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2953150409490347185
GrimmancerSalvaged from archive13 Mar 2006, 00:34
Not only that but war also brings new jobs, new techs, etc... War has advanced us in more ways then most would like to claim... If not for war we would have been far less advanced... though to turn to coin, War too has also destroyed much. Christens went and burned almost everything down, thus the dark ages. But war sucks, I know... I honestly do know but at the same time if not for war... we would be like herd animals... Animals that are not herd animals fight one another and kill of their weak... most herd animals don't, unless it is mating season... Tribal, or family, or pack animals will kill over territory.. We are Tribal, Family and Pack Animals... by nature though over the years, and the softness we have gained some want us to become herd-like... have us lose our predator instincts... I pray that day never happens Grim I dont like the fact that you think human lives are worth these gains that you can probably get using other means. Let us say that the war was fought for the wrong reasons (oil, power, whatever). Are the young children that died as a result of that war worth it? Grim I would suggest that you look at your own family and think about that question. You have kids of your own and I am pretty sure that you would want NOTHING to ever harm them. Yet you feel like a war that kills innocent children is worth it? I hear you Cheb, and of course I donât want my son to die, I donât want any children to die, but that is one of the horrors of war... Do I like it? no, war sucks I have said that many many times but it is part of life as we know it... We best get used to that and learn from it. EVERY war kills innocent children, EVERY war is ugly and the only way to ease it for you and your people is becoming better at defending yourself and them. I am not saying that war is grande nor am I saying that it is a beautiful thing. I do say that it will be there always, one way or another it will be there... And I am also saying that is the number one drive for new inventions, new techs The cars we drive, the clothes people wear for extreme sports and camping, all our hiking equipment as we know it comes from war in one way or another... The human race for as wonderful amazing as we are more driven when our lives are at stake... War for whatever reason will always be here, and history is written by the victor... that is the truth... I donât like it, I really donât but I know that if that is how life is, I am going to learn the rules of the game... And learn to protect my tribe as best as possible... Godschild! Great to see you! Hope all is well!! I do read and see and learn from lots of sources, and I have looked into the claims about 9/11... looked into it over a year ago and yes I found lots of stuff saying that it could or could not have happened... and though I do not trust the government all too much... I am not paranoid... -Wait so all the people that are claiming to be responsible for it are liars, They just are claiming it to look cool, or we can go with that they are in our service, they are getting what for being hunted down and killed off? Money? Power? Oh wait no they are getting killed... Oh so you are saying that the people that admitted and claimed to have done it was also rigged, I guess Moussaoui is an actor? Or did we use our super secret brain washing potion to get him to tell us what was going down, Or I guess it was all planned that he would do this and also test our national security with our judicial system... I also have to disagree with your statement - â History is to be learned from not repeated and technology has come farther during peacetime than war. Gains made during war have mostly directly benefited the ability to create more war. The most productive human advances have come from people advancing peace.â I do not know where you are coming from with that? The car you drive, the computer you are on, the cell phone you use... all comes from military background, gear works came from siege machines, the ancestors to clocks who are the godfathers of all machines. Humanity grows during peace. Yes gains are made.. art, culture and social mostly. But the machines, techs, games, computers etc have all come from war one way or another
ChebSalvaged from archive13 Mar 2006, 10:23
Greetings. But that is not the point. Whether or not war is helping in inventions or not still does not make it right. My argument is, what if this whole war was based on a lie, do you not owe it to yourself, your family and your citizens to investigate on your own. Especially since you have not been given the full story. What if all these children are dying for an unjust cause? Fine, what if your soldiers are dying for an unjust cause? Yes I know you dont like it, but why would you support it? Hell why would you even participate in it? Like I said you owe it to yourself and family to find out about the truth. The same way godschild is doing now. You can argue the benefits of war but that in no way is a supporting argument to why the war should continue.
OverlordSalvaged from archive13 Mar 2006, 22:26
Greetings. But that is not the point. Whether or not war is helping in inventions or not still does not make it right. My argument is, what if this whole war was based on a lie, do you not owe it to yourself, your family and your citizens to investigate on your own. Especially since you have not been given the full story. What if all these children are dying for an unjust cause? Fine, what if your soldiers are dying for an unjust cause? Yes I know you dont like it, but why would you support it? Hell why would you even participate in it? Like I said you owe it to yourself and family to find out about the truth. The same way godschild is doing now. You can argue the benefits of war but that in no way is a supporting argument to why the war should continue. You can't find the truth. You can reason the facts, you can debate the effects but face it, our leaders make the decisions and you're stuck living with them. Luckily in a Democracy we can get rid of the shitty ones, as I plan in '08 to vote anything but a Bush-like, neo-con candidate but any attempt to accellerate or alter our government is any way outside of sanctioned elections is revolutionary and traitorous. I find the evidence compelling for both sides. What about the lives lost in the towers and planes? What about the boots on the ground in Iraq? I will not blashpeme their sacrifice and turn my support from my friends, family members and brother currently in the fight. I will support them to my very end. Because I think that their cause is just? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Because they are my brothers and my friends. They are my people. My blood. My home. I support the nation. I support them. I fly my flag proudly ever day because the lives lost in defense of it were my own blood and we still stand together today. If the president lied to us all I hope it is discovered and he goes to prison. If the CIA staged this "terrorist attack" I hope justice will one day be done and that they will be drawn and quartered for their treason (if so). But when the dominoes fall, and the boots hit the ground and my family and friends are in harm's way then I stand behind them, to the death. You can't understand that unless your family and your blood is in combat. I will never betray them. It has nothing to do with right and wrong, good and evil, etc. These are my people. We live and die together. It goes deeper than any cause, any religion, any flag. Honestly you can't understand this unless you have a brother or father or friend in a war. I don't care about the other side. I don't care about the reason. I want my culture, my clan, my people, my family, my home to survive. That requires that we "win" the war at any cost. It's only that simple and every war is. The outsiders will argue, the historians will debate the validity, the warriors have one cause: to win at any cost. To solidify the future for our people. Stare at your navel all day and vote democrat, republican, green party, independent, liberitarian whatever you want. When the bullets fire, people die and I hope its "them" and not "us". When 9/11 happened and it was determined that Al Queda was responsible (and they took responsibility publicly) all that was left was to kill every last one of them for our own survival. If the whole thing is a lie then thousands of fundamentalist muslims died because they chose to participate in the lie. Who cares about them, they chose their own fate and picked the wrong side. Sure innocents have died, they always do but somewhere someone was responsible. We didn't firebomb baghdad. We attacked the insurgents when we could find them. The children who died were are result of their parents and uncles and other countrymen choosing to fight the US in a partisan war. Blame the politicians on BOTH sides. They're having elections over there right now. Vote. That's what I do. Leave the fighting to the soldiers unless you're prepared to test your military equipment and courage against ours and you're ready to die to find out the answer. That is exactly what my kinsmen are doing right now. They are on the field of battle dying for this nation and this flag and my abilty to buy cheeseburgers at Mcdonalds, to go to my church of my choosing, to raise my family unmolested by foreign entities. Is America perfect? Absolutely not. But there are my people right or wrong. If you disagree, great, vote different. If you hate this country then get the fuck out. Does that make any sense Cheb? If your father, brother and friends were fighting in Iraq against the US would you really care about who's representing what on the field of battle? No. Your loyalty is with your people, your kin, your blood. It is only that simple. And Godschild you can totally convince me the war in Iraq is completely wrong and a lie (I spent about 3 hours watching videos and reading your sites last night) but I'll never protest against it. I'll write hateful letters and mock my leaders but I won't stop supporting the war because my brother is there. Do you see my meaning? I'm already sold that the Neo-Con agenda is a modern day evil. I was sold on that a year ago during Katrina and Bush's college buddy the arabian horse dealer let people die because he was incompetent. So my vote is cast against the current administration. And I tell others my opinion without reserve. But that's as far as I'll go. Anything more in my opinion is unpatriotic and insults the sacrifice others have died for (like that backstabbing mother of the dead marine, Cindy Sheehan).
GrimmancerSalvaged from archive14 Mar 2006, 03:37
~Stands, Salutes~ Damn Overlord that was great, even poetic... Well Done! I feel the same but would never have been able to express it that way! ~Salutes~
GrimmancerSalvaged from archive14 Mar 2006, 03:46
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/Grimmancer/a_virtua… http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/Grimmancer/cindys_l… Thats all I got to say about that whore... Fucking suck up bitch.. we are at war! your not the only one that lost somebody...
godschildSalvaged from archive14 Mar 2006, 05:34
Good Post Overlord. I have never served my country but my Family Tree is military from root to branch and has bled for this country in every major war since the revolution. I have friends and family serving overseas and stateside now and thankfully we have not had any one serioulsy injured in the mideast. That is why it is so important for me and some other people to wake up and make sure before we march into Iran that the people running this country and sending our families off to defend it are the people they say they are and NOT the lying treasonist bastards they apperar to be. Al Queda is real and so are the many other radical islamist that would kill me and my family in a heartbeat. BUT if members of my country worked with them to "wake me up" to that fact; then they are still guilty of murder and deserve no less than Al Queda!! You can't find the truth. You can reason the facts, you can debate the effects but face it, our leaders make the decisions and you're stuck living with them. Luckily in a Democracy we can get rid of the shitty ones, as I plan in '08 to vote anything but a Bush-like, neo-con candidate but.... On an individual level none of us can find the truth but as a people we can get a real independant investigation of the evidence for "9/11" and this will get us closer. ALL EFFORTS currently under way to do this are being blocked by the current admin, congress, and the courts. The '06 elections will be equally if not more important to the immediate future of our country. ...any attempt to accellerate or alter our government is any way outside of sanctioned elections is revolutionary and traitorous. The constitution is set up to deal with acts of treason outside of the regular election cycle. Some efforts are already being taken to begin the process at both the state and federal levels. ... but somewhere someone was responsible. ... Blame the politicians on BOTH sides..... And every single fuckin one of them need to pay for it. It does not matter if they are overseas or right here in my own land. What we find when we look may be painful and may not be easy to deal with but I have come to believe that is the responsibility of those who don't serve. To protect those that do. And Godschild you can totally convince me the war in Iraq is completely wrong and a lie ... Not at all my argument man and I apologize if I came out that way. I specifacally refered to the "9/11" parts of the sites I posted and even removed a few that I felt pushed agendas that were not relevant. My take on the Iraq war is that it was going to happen regardless of how I felt. All I could do then or now is tell my representatives to give our soldiers the money they need to win and come home as soon as they can. Iraq was, is and always will be beyond me to fix. I never liked George W. Bush and the more I read the less I like; but I do not know if he lied about Iraq or not. It would be nice if the senate got off their collective asses and issued a real investigation but if it was "lies" some of them were involved and we are back to either the '06 elections or impeachment. My comments about not supporting the wars that are a result of 9/11 were and are directed at past and current administration policies. Soldiers do not decide where to point there guns. It is not fair and down right nasty to take anything out on them. Anything more in my opinion is unpatriotic and insults the sacrifice others have died for (like that backstabbing mother of the dead marine, Cindy Sheehan). And as far as this bitch goes you can kiss my fuckin american ass cause I can't stand her or some she has aligned herself with. She started out fine when she was by herself just trying to get legitimate questions answered about her son but she has done some outright shitty stuff.
ChebSalvaged from archive14 Mar 2006, 08:17
Does that make any sense Cheb? If your father, brother and friends were fighting in Iraq against the US would you really care about who's representing what on the field of battle? No. Your loyalty is with your people, your kin, your blood. It is only that simple. I do understand where you are coming from Overlord, but I WOULD care what they are fighting for. This is where you and I differ. I cant support my brotherâs decision to fight if he might be dying for an unjust cause. I would want him to know that he is fighting a war that should not have started in the first place, and I would urge him to come back home. That is what I am telling you. I think it is your job and responsibility to find out what your brother is fighting for, and why he is risking his life. See if the reason is a lie, then they are not really fighting for your right to watch T.V eat Big Macs and all that, they are fighting for greedy pigs that see your brother as a tool for their own personal gain! How can you accept that? I am not saying that you should tell your brother that he is fighting for nothing, I am saying that it is your responsibility to find out why your brother is risking his life. Yes support him, I would too, but know why he is in this war. If I found out that I was killing innocent civilians and allowing my own country men to die for a bunch of pansy ass crooked politicians who would kill their own people for personal gain, I would be pissed!! So yes support the troops by all means, but donât support them blindly.
ChebSalvaged from archive14 Mar 2006, 08:23
Oh and I havnt heard of this Cindy Sheehan before. Anyone got articles about her that I can read. Preferably unbiased ones.
silenthill22Salvaged from archive14 Mar 2006, 09:15
Oh and I havnt heard of this Cindy Sheehan before. Anyone got articles about her that I can read. Preferabl unbiased ones. Her son was killed in Iraq by friendly fire, I think, and now she's on a crusade against the war protesting outside Bush's ranch and at his speeches etc. She was arrested at a Bush speech for wearing an anti-war t-shirt. Sheehan arrested in House gallery Tuesday, January 31, 2006; Posted: 10:26 p.m. EST (03:26 GMT) Cindy Sheehan became a vocal peace activist after her son was killed in Iraq. Last year's promises kept? (2:15) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Peace activist Cindy Sheehan was arrested Tuesday in the House gallery after refusing to cover up a T-shirt bearing an anti-war slogan before President Bush's State of the Union address. "She was asked to cover it up. She did not," said Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, U.S. Capitol Police spokeswoman, adding that Sheehan was arrested for unlawful conduct, a misdemeanor. The charge carries a maximum penalty of one year in jail, Schneider said. Schneider said shortly after the State of the Union speech that Sheehan was still being held but should be "out sometime tonight." An early report from a senior House official indicated that Sheehan was arrested for unfurling an anti-war banner, but that was later found not to be the case. Schneider said she didn't know what Sheehan's T-shirt said. Sheehan, who became a vocal war opponent after her son was killed in Iraq, was an invited guest of Rep. Lynn Woolsey, D-California, who has called for a withdrawal of troops in Iraq and supports legislation for the creation of a Department of Peace. Sheehan has pestered the Bush administration since August, when she and hundreds of fellow protesters began demanding an audience with the president and camping outside his ranch in Crawford, Texas. She also recently penned a book, "Not One More Mother's Child." Sheehan and other relatives of troops killed in Iraq met with Bush during a visit to Fort Lewis, Washington, in April 2004, shortly after Sheehan's son was killed. During that meeting with Bush, the president refused to look at pictures of Sheehan's son, didn't want to hear about him and "didn't even know Casey's name," she said. The Vacaville, California, resident has said she'd like to meet with Bush again to discuss her opposition to the war. Bush has refused to meet again with Sheehan and has taken issue with her calls for a withdrawal of troops from Iraq. "She expressed her opinion; I disagree with it," Bush said in August. "I think immediate withdrawal from Iraq would be a mistake." -------------------------------------------------------------- Part 2: ------- Shirt tales differ for Sheehan, GOP wife Capitol police admit mistake as protester mulls legal battle Wednesday, February 1, 2006; Posted: 11:42 p.m. EST (04:42 GMT) A House security officer takes Cindy Sheehan out of the chamber gallery before President Bush's speech. Police admit errors in ejecting two women (1:53) Capitol Police arrest Cindy Sheehan (1:10) Anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan wore a shirt with the message "2,245 Dead. How many more?" -- a reference to the number of U.S. troops killed in Iraq. Beverly Young, the wife of 18-term Republican U.S. Rep. Bill Young of Florida, wore a shirt that read "Support the Troops." Both shirts resulted in their owners being ejected from the House chamber before President Bush's State of the Union address on Tuesday night. (Full story) Sheehan, an invited guest of Rep. Lynn Woolsey, a California Democrat, was arrested around 8:30 p.m. ET on charges of unlawful conduct. Young was asked to leave but not arrested. On Wednesday afternoon, U.S. Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer said neither woman should have been removed from the chamber. "We made a mistake," he told CNN. He said an apology was made to Bill and Beverly Young, and the congressman has been told that Capitol officers will receive better training. He said they are operating under outdated guidance on House rules regarding demonstrations. "Just wearing a T-shirt is not unlawful," Gainer said. Wearing a T-shirt and engaging in actions meant to draw attention to the shirt is against the law, he said, but neither woman was doing so. Gainer said he has attempted to reach Sheehan to tell her he is recommending that charges be dropped and to express his willingness to talk to her at her convenience, but has only been able to leave her a message. Woolsey has called for a withdrawal of troops in Iraq and supports legislation for the creation of a Department of Peace. "Since when is free speech conditional on whether you agree with the president?" Woolsey said in a statement issued Wednesday. Sheehan told CNN Wednesday that she planned to file a lawsuit despite Gainer's statements. "I was there for four hours," she said. "It seems like someone could have figured out they made a mistake in four hours." Sheehan said she was treated roughly and left bruised by the incident. "I'm going to file a lawsuit for defamation of character and because my civil rights were violated, hoping that it will never happen to another person," she said. Before Gainer's statements, Capitol Police spokeswoman Sgt. Kimberly Schneider said of Sheehan's shirt, "She was asked to cover it up. She did not." 'She has a real passion for our troops' Outrage also came from the pro-war Young. On Wednesday, he held up his wife's shirt on the House floor and denounced her treatment. "She has a real passion for our troops, and she shows it in many, many ways," Young said. "And most members in this House know that. But because she had on a shirt that someone didn't like, that said 'Support Our Troops,' she was kicked out of this gallery while the president was speaking and encouraging Americans to support our troops. Shame. Shame." Young and his wife are known as passionate supporters of U.S. service members. He has spoken in the past about their many visits to military hospitals during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and their efforts to ensure the needs of the wounded and their families are met. Sheehan, on the other hand, was thrust into the spotlight after her 24-year-old son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, was killed in Iraq in April 2004. "Cindy Sheehan, who gave her own flesh and blood for this disastrous war, did not violate any rules of the House of Representatives," Woolsey's statement said. "She merely wore a shirt that highlighted the human cost of the Iraq war and expressed a view different than that of the president." Sheehan, a Vacaville, California, resident gained national attention in August, when she and hundreds of fellow protesters camped outside the president's Crawford, Texas, ranch, demanding an audience. She also recently penned a book, "Not One More Mother's Child." Sheehan said Wednesday she was trying to "make a statement" with the shirt but did not intend to get arrested. "I didn't think I would be provoking an incident," she said, suggesting that her message contributed to her arrest. "I got arrested and [Young] didn't," she said. "What does that tell you?"
OverlordSalvaged from archive14 Mar 2006, 11:55
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/Grimmancer/a_virtua… http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/Grimmancer/cindys_l… Thats all I got to say about that whore... Fucking suck up bitch.. we are at war! your not the only one that lost somebody... Great images, (more for my collection)! She throws away everything her son died for by doing what she does. I agreed with her reasoning at first but like everyone else here agrees she's just a media attention whore now. Its disgraceful.
OverlordSalvaged from archive14 Mar 2006, 12:06
That is why it is so important for me and some other people to wake up and make sure before we march into Iran that the people running this country and sending our families off to defend it are the people they say they are and NOT the lying treasonist bastards they apperar to be. Couldn't agree more. I'm terrified of the idea of another "rush to war before knowing as much of the facts" and not being 100% sure BEFORE attacking. Iran is no Iraq. We will lose ten thousand soldiers there. It will be another Japan before it's all said and done. They've been gearing up for this for 20 years. Trust me I wish we had someone else at the helm right now. Al Queda is real and so are the many other radical islamist that would kill me and my family in a heartbeat. BUT if members of my country worked with them to "wake me up" to that fact; then they are still guilty of murder and deserve no less than Al Queda!! Totally agree. If found guilty then need to execute them by hanging on prime time television. We'll run a banner along the bottom of the screen that would read, "Death to Tyranny" On an individual level none of us can find the truth but as a people we can get a real independant investigation of the evidence for "9/11" and this will get us closer. ALL EFFORTS currently under way to do this are being blocked by the current admin, congress, and the courts. The '06 elections will be equally if not more important to the immediate future of our country. Couldn't agree more. I do think that a majority of americans are totally sick of the Neo-con republican shit from the last 6 years. Katrina proved that beyond a reasonable doubt. Watch, this year we should have a major turnover in the senate and house. Next we'll have more inquiries and possibly censure and impeachment. The tide is building... The constitution is set up to deal with acts of treason outside of the regular election cycle. Some efforts are already being taken to begin the process at both the state and federal levels. Exactly. our government is slow to respond but it will. Be patient, the stability of our government depends on it. And every single fuckin one of them need to pay for it. It does not matter if they are overseas or right here in my own land. What we find when we look may be painful and may not be easy to deal with but I have come to believe that is the responsibility of those who don't serve. To protect those that do. Exactly. Part of what makes it so hard to serve in the Military is relenquishing control over whether or not you can choose to act. Its up to us to participate in our democracy to protect the ones who are in the armed forces from being throw into a "Politician's War". Not at all my argument man and I apologize if I came out that way. I specifacally refered to the "9/11" parts of the sites I posted and even removed a few that I felt pushed agendas that were not relevant. I'm glad to hear it because I was getting concerned about your level of involvement in the conspiracy theory! I never liked George W. Bush and the more I read the less I like; but I do not know if he lied about Iraq or not. It would be nice if the senate got off their collective asses and issued a real investigation but if it was "lies" some of them were involved and we are back to either the '06 elections or impeachment. Washington is waiting to hear what the people have to say in the '06 elections. They're caught like deer in the headlights right now.
OverlordSalvaged from archive14 Mar 2006, 12:23
I do understand where you are coming from Overlord, but I WOULD care what they are fighting for. This is where you and I differ. I cant support my brotherâs decision to fight if he might be dying for an unjust cause. I would want him to know that he is fighting a war that should not have started in the first place, and I would urge him to come back home. Stop a second and think about what you're saying. My brother is not a crack head. He's not on drugs. He's not fighting terrorism from any personal decision he's made other than to become a soldier which is not dependent on the honor of the President at the moment. He's serving to protect me and my family. Other than that he does what he is told to do. It doesn't matter if the cause is just or not. He must serve reguardless. And I can't "urge him to come back home". He's on a six year commitment. He would go to jail if he "chose to come back" without permission. This is not a regular job. he doesn't have the luxury of choice. Thirdly, his cause is always just because the real cause is to protect this country. The mission might be wrong. The politician who sent them there might be wrong but his cause is always just. Cheb you are a man of faith. You understand commitment, honor, duty, and the concept that a man's intention outweighs his success right? Should my brother die in fighting an "unjust" war makes no difference to me, to my family and to God. I don't believe that this life is all we have. I believe this life is only the beginning to the next. There is more to what we do than only doing "what is right" from an historical context. More importantly is what we did, with what we knew at the time that is more important. Who and what we are is more important than the outcomes. That is what I am telling you. I think it is your job and responsibility to find out what your brother is fighting for, and why he is risking his life. See if the reason is a lie, then they are not really fighting for your right to watch T.V eat Big Macs and all that, they are fighting for greedy pigs that see your brother as a tool for their own personal gain! How can you accept that? I am not saying that you should tell your brother that he is fighting for nothing, I am saying that it is your responsibility to find out why your brother is risking his life. Yes support him, I would too, but know why he is in this war. If I found out that I was killing innocent civilians and allowing my own country men to die for a bunch of pansy ass crooked politicians who would kill their own people for personal gain, I would be pissed!! So yes support the troops by all means, but donât support them blindly. Trust me. The day he earned his commission I began reading the newspapers in a way I never had before. Trust me. I vote as if my brother's life depends on it (BECAUSE IT DOES). Trust me, when people were abandoned in New Orleans during the Katrina debacle I was standing on my feet shaking my fists at the screen screaming about the inept blundering stupidity of positioning a good ol' boy college buddy to one of the most important jobs in our nation, the Federal Emergency Management Administration with no fucking idea on how to do it. I want a fucking inquiry into what when wrong there! The biggest problem in any government is that it's run by people. People who are selfish, lazy, inconsistent and failable. There will always be mistakes. I want the intentional mistakes found and corrected. But fear not Cheb, we think the same way. I just want to bring you up two steps further to where I'm at. You have a different perspective when the lives on the line are one of your own. You can't be objective when the people you love are at risk. No one is that good and just. All the ideas, honor and glory of war disappear in the first salvo. When people die, your good intentions become a fight for survival. Good and evil, right and wrong become a solid haze of grey. There are no more innocents, no more morals, it becomes primal, it becomes war. You fight only to win. This is why negotiations are so critical. We cannot "rush to war". War is annihilation of one side or another. It is not comprimise. War takes away the soul and the cause by which it was fought when the first innocent people die. War is a terrible thing. But like all things, war improves us. War "corrects" us. And War is nessessary for survival. This isn't a 'good' earth. But it is managable. War is the manager. My duty is to work. To grow. To succeed greatly to pay taxes and help America remain powerful in the world in order to protect my ideals and my choice of lifestyle. When war is nessassary my tax dollars and people like my brother fight to protect us. It's a good system because it's the best we have so far. The more economically we grow, the better weapons we manufacture, the more we protect ourselves, the more economically we grow and the cycle continues. Who am I to argue it? It is the way the world works.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive14 Mar 2006, 23:28
Overlord you are on fire. Excellent points! I am glad that I posted this thread so that I could get these wonderful opinions.
OverlordSalvaged from archive15 Mar 2006, 00:21
Overlord you are on fire. Excellent points! I am glad that I posted this thread so that I could get these wonderful opinions. Buddy I'm always on fire! :P Anyway its a great topic and an inspiring subject and deserves the attention it's getting. I've been thinking about this a lot for the past three days.
ChebSalvaged from archive15 Mar 2006, 11:09
Stop a second and think about what you're saying. My brother is not a crack head. He's not on drugs. He's not fighting terrorism from any personal decision he's made other than to become a soldier which is not dependent on the honor of the President at the moment. He's serving to protect me and my family. Other than that he does what he is told to do. It doesn't matter if the cause is just or not. He must serve reguardless. And I can't "urge him to come back home". He's on a six year commitment. He would go to jail if he "chose to come back" without permission. This is not a regular job. he doesn't have the luxury of choice. Thirdly, his cause is always just because the real cause is to protect this country. The mission might be wrong. The politician who sent them there might be wrong but his cause is always just. From what I understand, you are simply not considering anyone else but your own country. I see now what you mean. Overlord this thought an American life is worth a million others is not the way I think. Sure I want Islam to be a strong and dominant religion, but I AM concerned about the way it gets to be that way. If this was to happen in an unjust way, I would not want it to happen at all. If I were to go fight for my country or religion, I would want to know why I am fighting. I would NOT go in blindly. If I or any other Muslim were to do that, I think you would see that there are a lot more Osama Binladens here. But this is not the way it is. I am not saying that your brother's intentions are not just. I just believe he was mislead, and now with this "new" information I think he should seriously consider whether what he is doing is right or wrong. However, if you consider that all these innocent lives are worth it then I do not know what else to say. Cheb you are a man of faith. You understand commitment, honor, duty, and the concept that a man's intention outweighs his success right? Should my brother die in fighting an "unjust" war makes no difference to me, to my family and to God. I don't believe that this life is all we have. I believe this life is only the beginning to the next. There is more to what we do than only doing "what is right" from an historical context. More importantly is what we did, with what we knew at the time that is more important. Who and what we are is more important than the outcomes. Yes our actions are judged by our intentions. But let us say that now you or your brother know that this war was unjust and that you have been fighting for greedy politicians...What would you do then? Would you want to continue to fight with what you know now? Trust me. The day he earned his commission I began reading the newspapers in a way I never had before. Trust me. I vote as if my brother's life depends on it (BECAUSE IT DOES). Trust me, when people were abandoned in New Orleans during the Katrina debacle I was standing on my feet shaking my fists at the screen screaming about the inept blundering stupidity of positioning a good ol' boy college buddy to one of the most important jobs in our nation, the Federal Emergency Management Administration with no fucking idea on how to do it. I want a fucking inquiry into what when wrong there! Well that is good to know. But I think it is a little too late now. Bush is now serving his 4 years and will continue till 2008. If you realize, the Bush administration has yet to say that they have done anything wrong with everything that they are accused of. Regardless of how obvious it could be. I wish I could remember the name of the guy that was criticizing the Bush administration for being arrogant and unable to admit to their mistakes. It was sometime before the elections in a hearing...never mind I forgot everything else but it was interesting none-the less. Anyway one thing I like about your system is that a president cant serve more than an 8 year term. I believe if Bush were to run again, he would be elected again. Not everyone is like FDR, certainly not Bush. The biggest problem in any government is that it's run by people. People who are selfish, lazy, inconsistent and failable. There will always be mistakes. I want the intentional mistakes found and corrected. But fear not Cheb, we think the same way. I just want to bring you up two steps further to where I'm at. You have a different perspective when the lives on the line are one of your own. You can't be objective when the people you love are at risk. No one is that good and just. All the ideas, honor and glory of war disappear in the first salvo. When people die, your good intentions become a fight for survival. Good and evil, right and wrong become a solid haze of grey. There are no more innocents, no more morals, it becomes primal, it becomes war. You fight only to win. Overlord I think the fact that someone you love is it risk has taken you 2 steps back. The reason why is because I live with the fear of God in mind. I will never stop thinking about right and wrong even if my own father was involved. For me, God comes first, before family, country and everything else. Simply discounting good and evil, right and wrong is like turning my back on God and my family. See to me this life is temporary and it is death that we should truly think about. Death is eternal. The fact that my own blood is at risk of facing death, I would want to be sure that everything is ideal. I will not simply go to war to do my job. I will go to war knowing that if I (or any of my family) die in this war, I have done so with a clear conscience. This is why negotiations are so critical. We cannot "rush to war". War is annihilation of one side or another. It is not comprimise. War takes away the soul and the cause by which it was fought when the first innocent people die. War is a terrible thing. But like all things, war improves us. War "corrects" us. And War is nessessary for survival. This isn't a 'good' earth. But it is managable. War is the manager. My duty is to work. To grow. To succeed greatly to pay taxes and help America remain powerful in the world in order to protect my ideals and my choice of lifestyle. When war is nessassary my tax dollars and people like my brother fight to protect us. It's a good system because it's the best we have so far. The more economically we grow, the better weapons we manufacture, the more we protect ourselves, the more economically we grow and the cycle continues. Who am I to argue it? It is the way the world works. But the US DID rush to war. I just do not see war the way you do. I understand why war cannot be avoided at times and understand that innocence could be lost, but I do not agree that war improves us. War only improves those who are good at it AND are willing to feed off the weak. Look at Africa, where has war got them?
OverlordSalvaged from archive15 Mar 2006, 18:30
From what I understand, you are simply not considering anyone else but your own country. I see now what you mean. Overlord this thought an American life is worth a million others is not the way I think. Sure I want Islam to be a strong and dominant religion, but I AM concerned about the way it gets to be that way. If this was to happen in an unjust way, I would not want it to happen at all. If I were to go fight for my country or religion, I would want to know why I am fighting. I would NOT go in blindly. If I or any other Muslim were to do that, I think you would see that there are a lot more Osama Binladens here. But this is not the way it is. I am not saying that your brother's intentions are not just. I just believe he was mislead, and now with this "new" information I think he should seriously consider whether what he is doing is right or wrong. However, if you consider that all these innocent lives are worth it then I do not know what else to say. You're right, in my mind, in my experience and in my actions I do put the US first. That's because I'm a US citizen, and the US is my home, and the US my nation. But that's not because the US is superior, its because it's my home. If I lived in Iran, I would have the same love for my own country. Call me a nationalistic Fascist if you want but if we were conquered by the Japanese and I didn't have a country anymore then I would be pretty revolutionary right now. This is the exact problem between the Palestinians and Israelis. We have nationalistic furvor in this county because we want to protect ourselves from the same kind of thing happening to us. Well that is good to know. But I think it is a little too late now. Bush is now serving his 4 years and will continue till 2008. If you realize, the Bush administration has yet to say that they have done anything wrong with everything that they are accused of. Regardless of how obvious it could be. I wish I could remember the name of the guy that was criticizing the Bush administration for being arrogant and unable to admit to their mistakes. It was sometime before the elections in a hearing...never mind I forgot everything else but it was interesting none-the less. Anyway one thing I like about your system is that a president cant serve more than an 8 year term. I believe if Bush were to run again, he would be elected again. Not everyone is like FDR, certainly not Bush. Of course it's too late. It's too late because it's already happened. We don't live in an unstable country where ever time public opinion changes we have a coup. Slow change is a nessessary evil in this situation. Overlord I think the fact that someone you love is it risk has taken you 2 steps back. The reason why is because I live with the fear of God in mind. I will never stop thinking about right and wrong even if my own father was involved. For me, God comes first, before family, country and everything else. Simply discounting good and evil, right and wrong is like turning my back on God and my family. See to me this life is temporary and it is death that we should truly think about. Death is eternal. The fact that my own blood is at risk of facing death, I would want to be sure that everything is ideal. I will not simply go to war to do my job. I will go to war knowing that if I (or any of my family) die in this war, I have done so with a clear conscience. Have I taken 2 steps back? First God controls the world, not you and I. He doesn't need my help. Death is not eternal. Death is the beginning. Protect your home and your family. You cannot save the world. Do the best you can, with the people and things you have control over and leave the greater responsibility to those in charge (including God). If you claim true belief then why are you so concerned about justice here and now. If you believe in an ommnipotent God then you know all will be judged according to their own actions. Let them be judged. Don't take on more responsibility for things that are not yours to control. I felt like you when I was young. I changed. But the US DID rush to war. I just do not see war the way you do. I understand why war cannot be avoided at times and understand that innocence could be lost, but I do not agree that war improves us. War only improves those who are good at it AND are willing to feed off the weak. Look at Africa, where has war got them? The US did rush to war. Why? Because of Imminent Threat. Was there an Imminent Threat? Not that has been seen in the media. Does the media have all the answers? No. But I guarantee the reality is more complex and intricate than you or I will ever know. I don't know why the leaders made the decisions they did. I know I don't want the burden of bearing the responsiblity for what they chose and the innocent lives that were lost as a consequence. My advise to you Cheb is to live your own life as full and prudent and righteous as you can. Only worry and fix what you have the power to fix. Let tomorrow worry about tomrrow. Let God rule his world. He doesn't need your help.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive15 Mar 2006, 22:21
Hey check this out, some guy posted it on another forum. I was shocked as heck when I tried the last thing this guy says u ,ot may find this interesting (make sure u do the font thing at the end) >>1) New York City has 11 letters >> >>2) Afghanistan has 11 letters. >> >>3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin >>Towers in 1993) has 11 letters. >> >>4) George W Bush has 11 letters. >> >>This could be a mere coincidence, but this gets more interesting: >> >>1) New York is the 11th state. >> >>2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight >>number >>11. >> >>3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11 >> >>4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 >>passengers. >>6+5 = 11 >> >>5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + >>1+ >>1 = >>11 >> >>6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number >>911. 9 + 1 + 1 = 11. >> >>Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind: >> >>1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was >>254. 2 + 5 + 4 = 11. >> >>2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year. Again 2 + 5 >>+ 4 >>= 11. >> >>3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = >>11. >> >>4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers >>incident. >> >>Now this is where things get totally eerie: >> >>The most recognised symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, >>is >>the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic >>holy book: >> >>"For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome >>Eagle. >>The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah >>and >>lo, >>while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: >>for >>the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was >>peace." >> >>That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran. >> >>uncovinced about all of this Still ..?! Try this and see how you >>feel >>afterwards, it made my hair stand on end: >> >>Open Microsoft Word and do the following: >> >>1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first >>plane to hit one of the Twin Towers. >> >>2. Highlight the Q33 NY. >> >>3. Change the font size to 48. >> >>4. Change the actual font to the WINGDINGS >> >>What do you think now?!! [/quote]
OverlordSalvaged from archive16 Mar 2006, 00:35
>> >>"For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome >>Eagle. >>The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah >>and >>lo, >>while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: >>for >>the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was >>peace." >> >>That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran. >> >>uncovinced about all of this Still ..?! Try this and see how you >>feel >>afterwards, it made my hair stand on end: >> >>Open Microsoft Word and do the following: >> >>1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first >>plane to hit one of the Twin Towers. >> >>2. Highlight the Q33 NY. >> >>3. Change the font size to 48. >> >>4. Change the actual font to the WINGDINGS >> >>What do you think now?!! 1) Number of times I masturbated while reading your email: 11. 2) Number or letters in the word "buttlicking": 11. 3) Number of Hispanics I could fit into a Chevy Nova: 29 (2+9=11) 4) The Year America became a nation 1976 (1+9+7+6=23, oh shit that doesn't work) 5) My penis is considered the 11th finger. 6) If you take the word ASSCLOWN and put in as Hebrew Arial and add up the pointy ends on each character it equals 206. We're not sure exactly what this means but we're working on it. I hate numberology. You make anything anywhere have some sort of stupid significance.
stacywSalvaged from archive16 Mar 2006, 00:38
It would be amusing if not so sad. So many ppl ready to accept any and all CRAKCPOT conspiriousies so long as they are against the conservatives. It matters not about truth or common sence. This tread is filled with, not just idiots but BLITHERING IDIOTS. I;m not laughing with you, I'm laughing AT you and so will history. Bet on it!
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive16 Mar 2006, 01:02
lol, try the font one at the end though it's spooky
GrimmancerSalvaged from archive16 Mar 2006, 02:53
I have tried the font thing... I had to.... joe told me it was cool! hes crazy you know... The Font thing is pretty neat! As for the rest, I am sure you all by know how I feel and stand... I hate numbers! lol i just aint a number guy! my son who is 9 can figure out numbers better than I can LOL
godschildSalvaged from archive16 Mar 2006, 12:42
It would be amusing if not so sad. So many ppl ready to accept any and all CRAKCPOT conspiriousies so long as they are against the conservatives. It matters not about truth or common sence. This tread is filled with, not just idiots but BLITHERING IDIOTS. I;m not laughing with you, I'm laughing AT you and so will history. Bet on it! Yes and you have bought the biggest conspiracy story of them all. Keep laughing, that's what dumb asses who can't reason stuff out for themselves do. I understand though, you probably have enough troubles just tring to walk upright and talk so it is ok that you must be force fed your opinions. Or do the immpossible and add some real debate to the topic. I have been looking for people who actually still support the "official conspiracy theory" and they don't exist. So please enlighten us. But what I will bet on is that you are just another "sleeping sheep" and have no idea what is happening around you. And another thing there bud. With the exception of me, these other guys are pretty conservative themselves. They just realize that is a natural thing for people in power to lie to gain more power.
ChebSalvaged from archive16 Mar 2006, 16:40
The only thing more annoying than stacyw's comment is when you type a reply that you put a lot of thought in, and then your computer crashes!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn Im pissed...I cant even think anymore now. Anyway I will comment on crazyjoe's post since it doesnt take much thought. I am not sure what that post actually means, I mean what was the author suggesting there? And to stacy, history actually shows us that the intentions of the leaders at that time are rarely what the people are lead to believe. So chances are, history will likely be "laughing AT you" (if it can actually do that :roll:).
OverlordSalvaged from archive16 Mar 2006, 16:59
It would be amusing if not so sad. So many ppl ready to accept any and all CRAKCPOT conspiriousies so long as they are against the conservatives. It matters not about truth or common sence. This tread is filled with, not just idiots but BLITHERING IDIOTS. I;m not laughing with you, I'm laughing AT you and so will history. Bet on it! I'm just impressed that he spelled the word "BLITHERING" correctly. Unfortunately he missed "crakcpot" and "conspirousies" and "I;m" but hey not ones perfect. Plus he writes pretty good for a fifth grader so I'll give him a happy sticker to put on his arm for when he rides the bus home.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive16 Mar 2006, 22:24
The only thing more annoying than stacyw's comment is when you type a reply that you put a lot of thought in, and then your computer crashes!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn Im pissed...I cant even think anymore now. Anyway I will comment on crazyjoe's post since it doesnt take much thought. I am not sure what that post actually means, I mean what was the author suggesting there? And to stacy, history actually shows us that the intentions of the leaders at that time are rarely what the people are lead to believe. So chances are, history will likely be "laughing AT you" (if it can actually do that :roll:). Dunno, thought it was kind of interesting :P
ChebSalvaged from archive16 Mar 2006, 23:14
No I mean you obviously got this from somewhere. What was the person who wrote this trying to prove? Not you :)
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive16 Mar 2006, 23:57
Well it was in a forum and there was a thread about 9/11. And he posted that from some site
godschildSalvaged from archive25 Mar 2006, 04:47
I have tried the font thing... I had to.... joe told me it was cool! hes crazy you know... I just tried the Windings fonts myself.... pretty cool. The thing with the twenty dollar bill has always been one of my favorites. http://www.clydelewis.com/twenty.html
ChebSalvaged from archive25 Mar 2006, 10:29
But I dont like it when these conspiracies get mixed up with the ones that count. Here is what Charlie Sheen had to say ;) http://edition.cnn.com/ The video is under "politics" in the "watch video" section. My new favorite actor :)
godschildSalvaged from archive25 Mar 2006, 16:11
But I dont like it when these conspiracies get mixed up with the ones that count. Here is what Charlie Sheen had to say ;) http://edition.cnn.com/ The video is under "politics" in the "watch video" section. My new favorite actor :) I'm not trying to give any creedence to those last couple of items posted but I have been fasinated by things like that my whole life. As for the charlie sheen link, two things. 1. I click on your link but I can't seem to find the vid. (My Duh Moment for the Day) 2. I found the vids on another site and I wanted to upload the vids from Showbiz Tonight to this thread but filecabi won't let me. Maybe the server is down or something. Maybe someone else can host it here before I get it to work. It is interesting that the neo-cons and their supporters are attacking Charlie Sheen for who he is and avoiding the actual issues arrising about the 9/11 investigation. Also Grimmmancer and Overlord I know I have not addressed your points yet but I will. Grim's - Moussoui involment and trial Overlord - Taliban involvement in 9/11 Just haven't felt like fightin lately and when I do post about it I am going to take the position against your comments and see where we go.
ChebSalvaged from archive26 Mar 2006, 04:30
Well I found another link that you guys can use: http://www.911blogger.com/2006/03/911-skeptics-receive-fa… Anyway godschild I have been in the same way, just not in the thinking mood right now. Plus I actually was replying to Overlord then my PC cashes. Damn annoying. Will do so soon.
godschildSalvaged from archive21 Apr 2006, 12:27
This has been a good post. Some of the side discussions were really good and represent people pretty well. One was the argument for how has mankind gained most throughout history. War or Peace Another was basic competing philosophies paraphrased best as I can as: Kill âem all and let God sort âem out And Make love Not war I am sure these will continue to resonate through out the post on this forum. I want to get it back to the events of 9/11 and the video that got this started. Grim and Overlord brought up two points that are important to what brought about the events in September. 1 Who has claimed responsibility for the events of 9/11? 2 Why are so many Muslims willing to fight and die against the most dominate military in history if they did not take part in 9/11? These are very fair questions and were my own. Was all this stuff about Al Queda just made up and thousands of people were in on the biggest conspiracy in history? Or is there really men living in caves in the Middle East plotting the destruction of western civilization. Everyone wants a simple and clean answer but I am afraid there is not one. So why are the Muslims fighting? We have 25 plus years of direct CIA, military, and administration actions in both countries we are at war with right now. Both have been long struggles between the U.S. and Russia and to some extent China for strategic military positions and natural resources in those areas. Both areas have also had their own massive internal political and military conflicts ongoing since before we really became players in the area. But yet through each administration we have helped one side or the other in their own civil wars in order to pursue our own objectives. We have even jumped sides in the middle of the same administrations. We have been directly involved in actions that have continued years of civil war and atrocities on these people. It is no surprise that Americans are hated by many Muslims and they have shown a great willingness to die in order to fight us. The terrorist threat is real and it bothers me to hear people say it is a hoax or a political fear tactic. Americans did not take the threat seriously or were not willing to go to war to combat terrorism before 9/11. Americans need to at least realize that our foreign policies have lead to the emergence of thousands of Muslims that would kill us all in the biggest explosion possible or cut our heads off one by one. There are terrorist that want us dead and we have to take them and the problems that they come from head on. Who claimed responsibility for 9/11? Osama denied any operational involvement up until 2004. By this time denial made no sense or difference. But we already had enough reason to go after him. His involvement in 9/11 would be just one more reason. The Khobar Towers, African embassy bombings, The U.S.S Cole, and on and on. There is a segment in the world trying to get the story out that Osama is a CIA agent working to further our goals in the region. An effort to provide the US with reasons to insert military and diplomatic influence in areas where we do not have popular support. (I have not looked into this â I donât think that could be proved without a major whistleblower or years down the road as documents are declassified) Khalid Shaikh Mohammed never admitted it in public; his confession came after his capture. Ramzi Bin Al-Shibh is the same story. Now maybe they were involved but I am also aware that if you are locked away with the right people for long enough you will say any damn thing they want you to. The Taliban- They asked for proof that Osama was involved in 9/11 which Condoleezza Rice said she had and would produce in due time. Still waiting for that. Zacarias Moussaoui is in my opinion a retard but if people feel comfortable hanging their hat on this guy them be my guest. I do not see how you can. If this guy would have just kept his mouth shut he would have walked with a misdemeanor by now. Every single time the governments case has been about to fall apart, this guy single handedly revives it. So is he responsible for 9/11? Read this Summary of his trial and tell me your opinion. http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap… First he wasnât involved in the plot and he did not know about it. Then he wasnât involved but he did know about it. Then he was involved Then he was a mastermind. Which of his stories do you want to believe? Is it really plausible that after all the intelligence failures and warnings that âjust didnât provide actionable intelligenceâ that this guy was the reason we couldnât stop 9/11? Is he involved with al queda? Probably and they really want us dead. He was trying to become a pilot, fly a plane into the White House and become a martyr for his people. At least that was part of the original story that got him picked up by the FBI. But since he failed at that he has since been given a chance to become a martyr in the biggest terrorist attack in history. Let me ask this question. Given a choice what do you think an Islamic radical would do? Would you keep quiet and rot in jail for several years on the conviction that you were a second rate hack that got busted in the planning stages of your attack ; and then proceed to fall through the cracks of history as just some faceless loser foiled in your attempts at fame. Or Would you stand up and scream that you were the mastermind of the single biggest blow to the infidel oppressors and go down in the history of your people as a martyr? So we have real reasons to be in these wars, and there is a good chance that Muslim terrorist were involved in 9/11. 3000 people died that day but were the terrorist the only ones responsible for pulling off those attacks. Was it negligence or deliberate? Even negligence at this level should have been criminal and transcended administrations. Now letâs get on to the video that started this thread. People have stated that there is some real stuff and some âbullshit propagandaâ in the movie. I Challenge anyone to post one single piece of evidence from the video that meets the status of âbullshit propagandaâ. Quite simply all the facts presented are real and have been independently verified and debated all over the net. Help me to prove that statement wrong. Name any fact in the movie and we will argue it. IT IS THE CONCLUSIONS THAT WE ARE TO DRAW THAT MAKES US UNCOMFORTABLE AND CHALLENGES US TO LOOK FURTHER. Were the Twin Towers brought down with explosives? FEMA released an early report funded by the Bush Administration acknowledging the presence of chemical substances and mechanical properties in the steel from all three towers of WTC that are found when explosives are used. However every effort to continue this line of study has been blocked. The NIST report plainly states that they did no studies at all on the possibility of explosives being used. Scientist all over the world have been on this since it happened but we havenât been listening. The jet crashes and subsequent fires were devastating but in order to bring the towers down one of two events had to take place. Either Muslim extremist were able to suspend the laws of physics! Or explosives were used. I put my money on explosives. I know some Muslims are Evil but can they really change the laws of physics? Do we know if explosives were used? NO, but we do know that the very people accused of the crime hold all the keys to access the very info that would prove or disprove the claim: and they are guarding them with every thing they have got. What Hit the Pentagon? You can spend hours looking at the total arguments for what did or did not hit the Pentagon. I have my opinion but what really stood out was the question that some military people brought up. Not, what hit the building? but HOW? The pentagon, NORAD, and NEADS have the most advanced radar systems in the world. The 9/11 Commission portrays that the only radar systems tracking aircraft that day were the FAA who only had secondary (low quality) systems. So what were the pentagon and the others doing? These systems and the people that run them would have to be subverted in order to not be tracking aircraft that day. Keep in mind that the radar systems in place were designed to track missiles that have no transponder codes. And before you try to sell the bullshit that they only âlook out to sea for foreign enemiesâ I suggest you research beyond the Commission report. They scan the entire country and always have. So how was it done? It took war games and Presidential directives. Read Michael C. Ruppert âCrossing the Rubicon.â or check this out. http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html Were terrorist involved or was it our own government? It was probably both. There is a long history of Muslim extremism and Americas excursions into the middle east that provide pretext for all the events happening today even without adding the events of September 11th. But it is pretty clear that people in our government took advantage of Al Quedaâs desire to strike at the heart of America. Will all the people involved ever be caught and the whole truth come out? I donât know, just like I couldnât set here and say who all is involved and give every operational detail as to who did what. But I can read and watch what is out there for the public to examine and there are major problems with our administrations accounts of the events. Which brings us to the 9/11 Commission. Overlord this one was important due to your brother and the hundreds of other intelligence officers that have seen reports and photos and evidence that I probably never will. I read the commission report. Not that they mean anything but here are a few things that were odd to me. 1) The funding of 9/11 was inconclusive and was summed up as âinsignificantâ 2) The insider trading was given only one single paragraph in the entire report and stated since none of the people involved were tied to Al Queda that no further inquiry was needed. 3) The entire omission of any testimony regarding explosives. 4) the commissions attempts to convince the reader that the only radar systems this country uses to track aircraft are second rate crap at the FAA. Now admitted coming from me these donât mean much. But what does mean something is that men like Paul Pilarr (ex-cia chief) James Woosley (ex-cia chief), Louis Freeh (ex-FBI director) and others have all made statements disagreeing with the findings of the report. Also Pakistani officials have admitted to paying money to the commission to leave out information that would be damaging to their country and their ties regarding al quedaâs involvement in Kashmir. And finally, it is documented that at least five of the commissioners held financial ties to companies involved in the investigation. And the executive staff director was a white house appointee. The last thing Iâll mention is Flight 93. Was it shot down or not? According to the cockpit voice recorder, No CNN.com has the entire flight recorder transcript. IT ends at 10:03:09 http://www.cnn.com/interactive/law/0604/transcript.flight… Now why have they not released the evidence from the flight data recorder? The 9/11 commission claims to have used it. Of course it has been classified. Probably because like FAA, and even the seismic data, it will show that FLIGHT 93 CRASHED AT 10:06. Now since every single piece of data recording equipment the US government owns are calibrated on subatomic clocks. Which is more likely? That these clocks were off by three minutes or that we have not been given the full accounts of the dayâs events? Why is this important? 9/11 was the catalyst that moved America to war against terrorist. And on the eve of war with Iran there are some small pieces of real evidence that implicate the very men that are asking Americans once again to send our families onto the field of battle to protect our way of life. And no matter how just this cause to protect ourselves maybe, if the men in charge are criminals then they must removed. No matter what we have become, one of our foundations is the belief that all men are obligated to pursue the relentless questioning of our leaders. Do not ever let them take that away or there will not be an America worth fighting for. I am going to send links to this video wherever I can. I will make DVD copies and pass them out to friends, family, and complete strangers. I hope that I am here when history writes the last pages of the events that took place that day. One last thing. People often point to the chaos that has resulted from the wars and the rising energy prices as reasons that our government would not be involved with the events of 9/11. These are short term problems that we will deal with in order to achieve long term results. The people running our country are concerned with more than just their own political future. This is about providing America with the energy and stability it needs to maintain our status as the worldâs only super power for the next hundred years. So far we have incurred less than 6000 deaths (9/11 and the wars combined) and a dip in the economy. These are not MAJOR hurdles to overcome. (sorry for the length of this post but it was necessary)
VanguardSalvaged from archive21 Apr 2006, 22:45
They are going to be making a movie on the plane that crashed in the middle of no where...
tgd_02Salvaged from archive21 Apr 2006, 22:50
They are going to be making a movie on the plane that crashed in the middle of no where... yea hollywood....freaking disgusts me, how can you justify bringing the movie? making the experiences of the ppl to the bg screen? reliving what people went through? all of us here experienced the 9/11 tragedy, the hell we need a movie to commemorate the memories for? ugh the media in this country....
VanguardSalvaged from archive21 Apr 2006, 22:53
It is suppose to be a tribute to those who sacrificed themselves to stop the terrorists... but still...
tgd_02Salvaged from archive21 Apr 2006, 22:58
wow so the highest form of a "tribute" is to make a movie out of people who practically commites suicide, in order not to die? im not attacking you vanguard, im just pissed that this movie is coming out ehhhhh....
RICKAAMAVENSalvaged from archive22 Apr 2006, 21:19
in order to accept the administration's story about how 9/11 happened, you must not search and seek answers to why were the bomb sniffing dogs removed from the building 24 hours before? who bought all those puts on the two airlines that were affected and why hasn't the profit from that transaction been requested by the parties that made the puts if you want to get into what happened tru this site http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/911smokingguns.html
RICKAAMAVENSalvaged from archive22 Apr 2006, 21:27
the last two lines were from the registration. i thought it was not a practicel disclaimer, that is why i responded in caps.
AllisterFiendSalvaged from archive26 Apr 2006, 00:00
Bush sucks either way you look at it.
KILLINGFLOORSalvaged from archive28 Apr 2006, 06:41
God help the country when some who actually believe 9/11 was planned. It never seases to amaze me just how impressionable the uninformed are. Its not about facts or truth anymore, its about absolute hatred! anger has been injected subliminally into your thin outer shell protecting that pea you call a brain. The ones making up this garbage are the same ones making the big profits, driving the fancy cars, flying in the private jets, and living in their expensive homes! Fourtunmately, you folks are in the extreme minority! so please "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" He's also telling you that the Da Vinci code is NON FICTION! lmao
Red/YellowSalvaged from archive28 Apr 2006, 08:27
Following the links in the other topic I have found this http://www.thenausea.com/elements/usa/iraq%202004/11/osam… It says that Osama planned it as revenge for authorising Israel to do this: So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken, for you to consider. I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind. The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorised and displaced. I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy. The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but it didn't respond. If it was a charade, it is a bloody good charade I guess; could Osama be associated with America (which would explain why he hasn't been captured)? Perhaps. Either way, we do know that the Amer can government are rather good at hiding things and lying to the public.
ChebSalvaged from archive30 Apr 2006, 08:19
God help the country when some who actually believe 9/11 was planned. It never seases to amaze me just how impressionable the uninformed are. Its not about facts or truth anymore, its about absolute hatred! anger has been injected subliminally into your thin outer shell protecting that pea you call a brain. The ones making up this garbage are the same ones making the big profits, driving the fancy cars, flying in the private jets, and living in their expensive homes! Fourtunmately, you folks are in the extreme minority! so please "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" He's also telling you that the Da Vinci code is NON FICTION! lmao All I am reading here is the same bullshit everyone supporting the Bush Administration would say when faced with important questions (just like the Bush Administration would do themselves). You have failed to address the many questions posted on this thread and instead chose to attack the 'minority'. Did you even read any of the posts? Either post something significant that we can actually think about, like what godschild did, or you can keep your egocentric views to yourself.
ChebSalvaged from archive30 Apr 2006, 10:45
lol nice. So you gonna put all avatars on that? Best to reply in the mentioned thread so we dont get off topic too much ;)
KILLINGFLOORSalvaged from archive2 May 2006, 08:00
I definitely read the post, and thats my assesment! Sorry....Fact is if the Bush admid was responsible, then he had to have Clinton as his right hand man! WHY? Because the 9/11 plan was put on paper in late 1997 by Bin Laden and his boys. The persons to carry out the attack were put into place in late 1998...As to train to only fly planes not learn to land or take off. The person's put into play were here for 2 1/2 years living the so called normal life...So by late 1/2001 Who knew? We know now from the 9/11 commission that the FBI and CIA had numerous red flags that were ifnored! Hell Bush kept the same FBI and CIA directors from Clintons admid because of the dumb asses in palm beach county who couldn't vote correctly and held up the election results for 6 weeks. So in fact he got a very late start. But a few clowns in here take the fantasy spin as truth! And it seems you Cheb are the leader of the Dunce Cap club! GEt a life in reality dumb ass!
ChebSalvaged from archive2 May 2006, 10:16
Still dodging the real issue. You are still taking everything you hear on TV as fact and assuming that they are telling you everything. That is the whole issue here, unless you look into this from different perspectives and sources, you wont come up with anything unbiased and different. Just the same old crap most people feed on and believe. You need to look at both sides of the story before 'debunking' it. I have yet to see a solid argument about why what the US government has lead us to believe is actually true. How ironic that you ask me to get a life in "reality" when reality is almost never what it appears to be. REALITY is, whichever way you look at it, that we have not been told the whole story. That is something that takes 2 mins of research to figure out. As soon as you realize that, whether or not you seek the truth is up to you. I am guessing you took the easy way out already.
Snuff.Salvaged from archive2 May 2006, 11:57
i just love these "9/11 was planned" threads. well it sure as fuck wasn't fluke now, was it? kudos to godschild: fucking ace read. i'm still in two minds about it, but having seen the video and read these replies i am convinced there's more to it than meets the eye. but in events like this the annomalies arising from it are prone to be interpreted as conspiracy, but that's no reason to stop thinking. take nothing for granted.
KILLINGFLOORSalvaged from archive3 May 2006, 08:25
CHEB!!You say watching TV? Thats exactly my point MORON! That and the other liberal media and the Michael Moore's Al Franken's, and the entire hollwood kook's i stay away from! You've indulged yourself in believing in people who, for a living, are paid to twist and turn any and all information to sell to your idiots! But if you do serious research like you claim you will find NO CREDIBLE SOURCES LISTED! You can not name one credible source, that has any value to the media. If you have ever had the chance to read the ENTIRE 9/11 report, you'd read things that you have not heard in your liberal media. So do us all a favor fantasy boy, and READ THE ENTIRE REPORT! I dont need some talk show host, some tv news clown or a radio disc jokey to tell me what i am supposed to bel;ieve. I am not like you and look for a reason to hate my country! You took the easy route and go to the web sites that support your sick views of just how bad this country is, Why not get out and go to some place like china and spew your trash? You wont because you are a gutless piece of crap! This is one the of the few places on the planet that allows piece's of crap to spread lies and live, or not be jailed forever! You and the others supporting the garbage are the ones abusing the freedom of speech we should respect and cherrish here. I would have no problem in pushing in your face if i ever had the chance to meet you face to face! And maybe it woulf knock some sense into the senseless void you call a brain. Good Day piece of crap.
OverlordSalvaged from archive4 May 2006, 00:24
Cheb, may I respond for you to Killingfloor? Remember he can't read much so I'm using pictures to convey the message. http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1773/looktimekillyours…
Clouds in the SkySalvaged from archive4 May 2006, 07:25
Well, for as long as I've been posting here you guys know that I'm biased on numerous hypotheses... Have you ever learned about the supposed "Illuminati"?
ChebSalvaged from archive7 May 2006, 09:46
Cheb, may I respond for you to Killingfloor? Good one Overlord lol :D I wasnt really going to dignify his rant by a thought-out response so I wont really bother with him.
godschildSalvaged from archive8 May 2006, 19:50
I like you killingfloor because your rants sound just like mine used to before I looked into this myself. I doubt you read my lenghty post on what I found but I'll still help you out with what you asked. But if you do serious research like you claim you will find NO CREDIBLE SOURCES LISTED! You can not name one credible source, that has any value to the media. I will give you three and suggest that you researh the person before reding anything they say regarding 9/11 Dr. David Ray Griffin- conservative christian theologian Prof. Steven Jones- BYU proffessor and probably the most disturbing of all Morgan Reynolds- George W. Bushâs Labor Department Chief Economist in 2001-2002 READ THIS FOR AN INSIDERS VIEW OF 9/11 http://milwaukee.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/205461.shtml If you have ever had the chance to read the ENTIRE 9/11 report, you'd read things that you have not heard in your liberal media. I read it , all of it, but you stopped a little short. you also need to read the FEMA study, the NIST report, and the congressional inquiry, and the Pentabom report. If you can't see the holes in those reports on your own then the above mentioned people can help you out. Killingfloor. I take no pleasure in this. This is not what I want my country to become. But true American Patriots stand up to tyranny even when it comes from within our own borders. I really do hope you are right. But it does not seem to be the case. !!!!SIDE NOTE TO OVERLORD!!!!! you were the one individual I was counting on to rip my rather lenghty post to pieces. so far you have not even taken the time to call me an idiot. what gives?
OverlordSalvaged from archive8 May 2006, 20:04
!!!!SIDE NOTE TO OVERLORD!!!!! you were the one individual I was counting on to rip my rather lenghty post to pieces. so far you have not even taken the time to call me an idiot. what gives? I'm totally stumped. I have no idea what really happened and I agree with you mostly but the very concept is so insane it's hard to accept. I have no arguments... the question is really what can you do about it? I can't change the minds of 6 billion americans. I'll vote the rats out of office this fall and in '08 but without a congressional inquiry there's nothing you or I can do. And I'm not moving into the woods to make bombs with Ted the Unambomber. I really like our country and if 9/11 is a farce then history will show this as one of the darkest ages of mankind. Maybe it is. Somehow though we have to have faith that the system will work.
godschildSalvaged from archive9 May 2006, 00:11
The system may chase you to the woods to. Who knows who they will come after next. :lol: I can't change the minds of 6 billion people either but it will only take a few million americans to start the ball rolling. I am trying to change one mind at a time man. I hope I'm around in fifty years to see what history does say about our days here and now. I believe our system will work. That is why I speak out and vote. Nice Hiaku!!
Commando80Salvaged from archive12 May 2006, 20:19
I watched that movie.. and my god i just want to punch all the government people right in the face. THEN BURN THEM FOR KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE!
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive15 May 2006, 17:00
Hey it's been a while, but I did a speech about this and thought I'd share something I found. This is the only video that was released of the boeing slamming into the Pentagon on 9/11. http://www.pentagonresearch.com/dod.html Here is a zoomed in picture of the first frame. http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8034/theproof4ix.jpg The Pentagon has an anti-air defence system. The only thing, and I mean the only thing, that can get past a nations anti-air defence system is a friendly military plane.
The QualiticianSalvaged from archive20 May 2006, 13:32
The Pentagon has an anti-air defence system. The only thing, and I mean the only thing, that can get past a nations anti-air defence system is a friendly military plane. Or a missile. There was no wreckage of a plane. The "plane" made a perfect circle in 3 3ft thick concrete walls. The video that was just released has a frame rate of at least 30 per second - in not one of those frames can you see a plane - if you get the distance (in meters) from whan the plane enters the shot to hitting the building, you can work out the speed - it's over 350 meters per second which is faster than the speed of sound. someone told me this - a very reputable source - see if you can work it out. There's definitly something fishy going on - I'm not sayin the government did it - but if they didn't, why aren't they publically acknowledging these questions that need to be answered?..
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive20 May 2006, 15:16
Very interesting. I too do not know how did this but I can only thinkg of 1 agency that could....CIA I mean.......the person who took the blame for this was an ex CIA agent(officially?). I dunno.....
OverlordSalvaged from archive14 Jun 2006, 10:15
I just went back and re-read the whole thread again. This was an excellent discussion. I hope we have another one this good some day.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive14 Jun 2006, 19:56
I just went back and re-read the whole thread again. This was an excellent discussion. I hope we have another one this good some day. It's alright to review facts. What's not alright is drawing insane conclusions based on picked facts and conjecture. Your crazy Overload....absofuckinglutely crazy if you believe that 9/11 was planned. Your a witch hunter....a fool with no cause...so you make a cause. Like I told snuffelect if your insane bullshit theories pan out to be true I'll eat my arm off screaming. Way to go bringing back this ancient absurd thread.
OverlordSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 10:00
Goddamn waiter they're a piece of shit in my soup again!! Take it out back and shoot it in the head before it starts masturbating to Idols of George W. Bush. Get a life hillbilly.
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 14:46
I just went back and re-read the whole thread again. This was an excellent discussion. I hope we have another one this good some day. It's alright to review facts. What's not alright is drawing insane conclusions based on picked facts and conjecture. Your crazy Overload....absofuckinglutely crazy if you believe that 9/11 was planned. Your a witch hunter....a fool with no cause...so you make a cause. Like I told snuffelect if your insane bullshit theories pan out to be true I'll eat my arm off screaming. Way to go bringing back this ancient absurd thread. you cant ignore all that math and science in that video and still turn your head. as retarded as you are, even a douche like you cannot ignore the all that. numbers dont lie. where the hell when they were passing out brains? go grow one. then go grow a dick on ur forehead and use it to floss ur ass. bitch.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 15:18
I just went back and re-read the whole thread again. This was an excellent discussion. I hope we have another one this good some day. It's alright to review facts. What's not alright is drawing insane conclusions based on picked facts and conjecture. Your crazy Overload....absofuckinglutely crazy if you believe that 9/11 was planned. Your a witch hunter....a fool with no cause...so you make a cause. Like I told snuffelect if your insane bullshit theories pan out to be true I'll eat my arm off screaming. Way to go bringing back this ancient absurd thread. you cant ignore all that math and science in that video and still turn your head. as retarded as you are, even a douche like you cannot ignore the all that. numbers dont lie. where the hell when they were passing out brains? go grow one. then go grow a dick on ur forehead and use it to floss ur ass. bitch. Numbers don't lie unless you twist them around to make them lie in your favor. You twist any god damn thing to lie in your favor...just like your pathetic little arse here is twisted. Go gather up some intelligence you pathetic little shit. :) I have nothing further to say on 9/11 was planned.... it's too absurd to bother with now and it's obvious I'm not going to convince the real morons around here at any rate no matter what I say. *sigh* What is the world coming to..oh wait this isn't the real world ...this is the fucking internet where goofs like you and idiots abound and revel in witch hunting and making conspiracty video's. If this pathetic conspiracy theory EVER pans I'll eat my shorts and pants too I'll even throw in my shoes after I walk through a cowfield full of shit..just like you guys and this board. It will never pan out..because shithouse rat conspiracy theories never do. No matter what convulted facts are thrown in. People that believe in them are in the world of nod not the world of reality. People that believe in them are(thank god almighty)...a small small minority. I don't think it's even worth arguing over anymore...yeah I'm sidestepping to avoid all the bullshit that's going to be poured out. I just want you fellows to know...your the minority...your the ones viewed as nutcases by the Right AND the Left. Only a fool believes a fool's story. :lol: :shock: :lol:
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 15:19
Goddamn waiter they're a piece of shit in my soup again!! Take it out back and shoot it in the head before it starts masturbating to Idols of George W. Bush. Get a life hillbilly. I thought I heard something....OH it was just you taking a shit...out of your mouth.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 17:17
Evil if you have anything intelligent to say please do it. Don't just ramble on and on and on and on about how we are wrong and insane without backing your words with facts/evidence/etc. If you think we are soooo insane/wrong then prove us wrong. "If everyone thinks the same, then someone isn't thinking" - Patton
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 17:53
Evil if you have anything intelligent to say please do it. Don't just ramble on and on and on and on about how we are wrong and insane without backing your words with facts/evidence/etc. If you think we are soooo insane/wrong then prove us wrong. "If everyone thinks the same, then someone isn't thinking" - Patton I think Godschild is going to post our PM's sometime soon and try to rebute me on his conclusion it's just rehashing by me...we'll see. Crazyjoe...all it takes is a little reseach...real research, a little common sense, and the answers become clear. It's not hard for an intelligent open mind. What they said happened is actually what happened..simple as that...no matter the conjecture of FAR left bashers. It was a simple act of brutal terrorism sponcered by Al Qaeda period..an unpresidented attack. Nothing like this had been done in history before. Life isn't some movie with conspiracys racing around like they do in the movies(V for Vendetta anyone?..that is what most of you are proposing..sad it is). All a person needs is common sense and a good head on their shoulders to see the truth of the matter and to see through the untruths,out of context truths, and pablem conjecture created by far left radicals. This subject is far from being mainsteam in belief..only on a board such as this could you find actual supporters and outright believers in this insanity. This is fact. Not even most far lefts liberals will touch this with a 10' pole. There is a reason for this. This conspiracy(like so many others) is bullshit and bullshit isn't good for politics. P.S. ...give me something to prove wrong first. The "9/11 was planned" is much too broad of a silly ass subject to just ask.."prove us wrong".
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 18:24
9-11 Conspiracy Fact & Fiction by William F. Jasper May 2, 2005 An abundance of sensational and irrational conjecture about the September 11 terrorist attacks is being used to discredit any consideration of conspiracy in general. [UPDATE, May 23, 2005. Here are selected articles from The New American's archives challenging the ?official? position on 9/11: ?Did We Know What Was Coming?? in the March 11, 2002 issue of TNA; ?Foreknowledge and Failure? in our June 17, 2002 issue; ?Experts Challenge the 9/11 Report,? in our October 4, 2004 issue; and ?Agents Challenge 9/11 Commission? in our October 18, 2004 issue.] "The truth is out there." So went the tagline of the popular TV sci-fi series, The X-Files. Sometimes it can seem that the truth is way "out there," as one tries to sift through the confusion of conflicting statements of government officials, mainstream media organizations, alternative media outlets, witnesses, experts, and so-called experts. This is certainly the case regarding the terrorist events of September 11, 2001. Of the four coordinated events ? the two attacks on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York, the attack on the Pentagon, and the crash in rural Pennsylvania ? almost every significant official finding presented as fact has been subjected to challenge by a host of critics. The government has invited (even incited, it can be argued) suspicion by refusing to release evidence even to congressional committees and continuing the pattern of secrecy and coverup that we have seen in past administrations concerning such events as the 1991 Ruby Ridge shootout, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, and the 1996 downing of TWA Flight 800. However, many of those disputing the official version of the 9/11 attacks have chosen, oddly enough, to challenge some of the government's most solid evidence and to do so with flimsy evidence of their own, often accompanied with sensational, irrational conjecture. Some of the most popularly disseminated 9/11 scenarios assert, for instance, that the Pentagon and the Twin Towers were not hit by the hijacked commercial airliners, but by missiles and/or military planes. A mushrooming array of books, videos, and Internet websites devoted to 9/11 presents an ever-multiplying and ever more wild assortment of theories and scenarios concerning virtually every aspect of the attacks. Some of them have gotten almost into the X-Files realm, proposing explanations so outlandish that one might expect to find out that the 9/11 terror attacks were really launched by aliens from outer space. In fact, as we will point out, at least one 9/11 conspiracy theorist argues that some influential human beings directing world events are actually extra-terrestrial shape-shifters. Despite overwhelming evidence from eyewitnesses, photos, independent experts, and government officials that the Pentagon (above) was hit by American Airlines Flight 77 on September 11, 2001, a chorus of critics insist that it was instead hit by a missile. [Source: Navy News Stand] All of this, of course, is being used to discredit as a "conspiracy theory wacko" anyone who challenges any part of the government's official line on the September 11 attacks, as well as anyone who questions the government's incremental police-state response to 9/11 in the name of "homeland security." Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 discredits itself by mixing legitimate criticisms of the Bush administration with typical left-wing rants. Moore, an unabashed radical leftist, poisons the political well and makes it easier for the internationalists in the Republican Party to dismiss all principled opposition to the Bush administration's destructive policies as "Bush-bashing" or "Democrat propaganda." Likewise, many of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists are self-discrediting, either because of the absurd nature of their claims or the oddball manner of their presentations ? or both. However, they invariably manage to sprinkle their rants with references to the new world order, the United Nations, world government, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Illuminati, etc. Hence, those of us who responsibly expose and oppose the one-world agenda of the Bush administration (as we did also with the Clinton administration, without fear or favor) are more easily marginalized as extremists and "conspiracy nuts." It is not our purpose in this article to review, analyze, and refute all, or even most, of the bogus 9/11 theories and rumors circulating out there. Our objective is to expose a few of the hoaxes, in the interest of helping all Americans become more "streetwise" about the dangers and pitfalls of uncritically accepting stories from the "alternative media," as well as from the establishment media and official government sources. The Pentagon Attack Although each of the four terrorist incidents involving aircraft on September 11 is being subjected to vociferous challenges, the official version of the Pentagon attack has been the main target of the critics. The catalyst for most of the Pentagon-attack sleuths can be traced back to the incendiary propaganda of French author and radical socialist Thierry Meyssan, president of the virulently anti-American and pro-Communist French think tank Reseau Voltaire. In his best-selling book, L'Effroyable Imposture (The Frightening Deception), Meyssan launched the claim that American Airlines Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. It has been translated into English and is sold in the U.S. as 9/11: The Big Lie. Meyssan has followed up with a second book, Pentagate. Many of the organizations and websites "investigating" the 9/11 attacks promote and/or sell the Meyssan books. Dave vonKleist, narrator and producer of the video 911 In Plane Site, one of the most popular "exposé³¢ of the September 11 events, explains in his video that it was Meyssan's 9/11 website, "Hunt the Boeing," that got him started investigating the matter. Mr. vonKleist strangely refers repeatedly to Meyssan's books and website as information "released by the French," as though it were released by the French government or the French people collectively. In reality, Meyssan represents only a small fringe on the far left of French politics, and his 9/11 materials have been denounced as disinformation and hucksterism by political and media representatives spanning the spectrum of French political thought, including many of those who strongly oppose U.S. policies in response to the 9/11 terror attacks. According to vonKleist, when he first saw "Hunt the Boeing," he had only "one goal in mind: to prove the French wrong." However, as he looked into Meyssan's evidence, he says, he became convinced that "the French" were right after all. Although critics of the official version of the attack on the Pentagon disagree with the government's version on numerous points, perhaps the main ones, which we will examine here, concern allegations that: the hole in the Pentagon is too small to have been made by a Boeing 757; there is too little aircraft debris for a 757 crash; and flying a 757 into the Pentagon is virtually an impossible feat, especially for an inexperienced pilot like one of the hijackers. "The impact holes are too small." vonKleist parrots Meyssan's false claim that the plane's entry "hole" in the exterior wall of the Pentagon was only 16 feet in diameter. His In Plane Site web page disingenuously presents a smoke-obscured photo which supposedly verifies this point, claiming: "Upon examining these photographs, one can clearly see a hole, which is only 16 feet in diameter. This begs the question: 'How can a Boeing 757 which is over 44 feet in height and 124 feet in width simply disappear without a trace into a hole that is only 16 feet in diameter? Also, why is there no external damage to the Pentagon where the wings and the tail section would have impacted with the outer wall?'" Like Meyssan, the vonKleist video 911 In Plane Site advances the theory that a missile is the most probable cause of the Pentagon damage. But what are the facts? The Pentagon is a five-story, five-sided building complex comprised of five concentric rings, running from an interior Ring A to an exterior Ring E. The photo and video evidence support the conclusions of the 2003 Pentagon Building Performance Report produced by the American Society of Civil Engineers that American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior faç¡¤e at the ground floor, creating a hole in Ring E approximately 90 feet wide. That's 90 feet ? not 16 feet. A multitude of eyewitnesses saw the 757 swooping down toward the Pentagon, and many actually saw it hit. Dennis Behreandt, in his August 23, 2004 article for The New American, quoted some of these witnesses, so we won't repeat them here. However, an important expert witness whom we will mention in this regard is Allyn Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers, who arrived at the scene shortly after the blast. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building," he says. "I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them." Some have discounted Kilsheimer's testimony because as a contractor for the Defense Department he is considered a "tainted" witness. However, it's difficult to discount on similar grounds Brig. Gen. Benton K. Partin, USAF (retired), an expert witness who has proven his independence and willingness to challenge coverups in the past. One of the world's leading missile and military explosives experts, Gen. Partin was director of the U.S. Air Force Armaments Technology Laboratory, where he designed and tested many types of missiles, warheads, and ordnance against various building structures and armor. Partin did not personally witness the crash, but he lives near the Pentagon, is very familiar with the building's structure, and began studying the evidence immediately after the event. Does he see any problems with the official Flight 77 crash scenario? "No, not at all," he told The New American. "I've seen the videos claiming that it was a missile, not a 757, that hit the Pentagon," he says, angrily dismissing the claim in scatological terms. Flight 77 on impact: Explosives expert Gen. Benton K. Partin says the brilliant white flash seen in the photo above is vaporized, burning aluminum from the Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon. [Source: Associated Press] "When you slam an aluminum aircraft at high velocity into a concrete structure, it's going to do exactly what we saw happen at the Pentagon on 9/11," Partin said. "If you look at a frontal mass cross-section of the plane, you see a cylinder of aluminum skin with stringers. When it impacts with the exterior [Pentagon] wall at 700-800 feet per second, much of the kinetic energy of the plane converts to thermal energy, and much of the aluminum converts to vapor, burning to aluminum oxide. That's why on the still photos from Pentagon surveillance camera, you first see the frame with that brilliant white luminescent flash just before the frame of the orange fireball, the jet fuel burning. The aluminum cylinder ? the plane fuselage ? is acting like a shaped charge penetrating a steel plate. It keeps penetrating until it is consumed. The Boeing 757 is over 150 feet long, so it's going to penetrate quite a ways before it's spent. The wings have a much lower mass cross-section and are loaded with fuel besides, so there is little left of them except small bits and pieces." "Where's the wreckage?" One of the arguments that appears on the surface to have some merit, is the argument of negative proof: the stunning absence of crash debris. On his "Hunt the Boeing" web page, Meyssan shows a photo of the smoking Pentagon with a long expanse of lawn in the foreground evincing very little wreckage. The accompanying caption asks: "Can you find debris of a Boeing 757-200 in this photograph?" Meyssan's imitators have used a number of variations on this theme, presenting photos and video segments and demanding to know where the 757 wreckage is. Some websites feature a news clip of CNN correspondent Jamie McIntyre standing outside the burning, smoking Pentagon on 9/11 shortly after the crash, telling viewers: "There's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon." Path of destruction: A graphic from a report by the American Society of Civil Engineers shows the columns that were damaged and destroyed in the Pentagon and where the remains of the passengers and Pentagon employees were found in the first story of the building. [Source: American Society of Civil Engineers] VonKleist says that photographs "raise the question as to WHAT hit the Pentagon and what really happened that morning." He goes on to say: Many of those who reject this line of inquiry respond with the question: "If the 757 didn't hit the Pentagon, then where did it go?" Answer: "I don't know!" The question should be: "If a 757 hit the Pentagon, then where is it?" As Gen. Partin points out, most of the plane penetrated into the Pentagon, burning and shredding as it went. According to the American Society of Civil Engineers study, the plane cut a diagonal swath 230 feet into the first floor, penetrating Rings E, D, and C. "Under these circumstances, you're just not going to end up with much airplane debris ? inside or outside [the building]," says Partin. Also, while 9/11 skeptics cite the relatively small amount of wreckage as proof that Flight 77 couldn't have hit the Pentagon, many of them ignore what was found at the crash site: Flight 77's "black boxes" and passenger remains. Others claim that the black boxes and remains have been faked. VonKleist acknowledges in his video 911 In Plane Site that "there are those who ? ask the question, 'Well, if the plane didn't hit the Pentagon, where did it go?'" But he says, "I don't know where it went. For all I know, it could be sitting in 200 feet of water in the Atlantic Ocean." Flight 77 debris: Since Flight 77 penetrated into the Pentagon, there was not much debris outside of the building. However, the American Airlines wreckage in the photo above is additional proof that the plane, not a missile, hit the building. [Source: Navy News Stand] "The attack required impossible piloting." Some prominent 9/11 skeptics claim that the flight path of the jet that hit the Pentagon would have been humanly impossible in a 757, while others admit it might be possible for an expert pilot, but not for hijacker Hani Hanjour, the inexperienced pilot believed to have commandeered Flight 77. In Painful Questions: An Analysis of the September 11th Attack, Eric Hufschmid says: "I would say it is absurd to believe an inexperienced pilot could fly such a plane a few millimeters above the ground. The flight path of this plane is enough to convince me that no human was in control of it. I think only a computer is capable of flying an airplane in such a tricky manner. If terrorists flew the plane, they would qualify as the World's Greatest Pilots since they did tricks with a commercial aircraft that I doubt the best Air Force pilots could do." Ralph Omholt's "skydrifter" website claims: "No pilot will claim to be able to hit such a spot as the Pentagon base ? under any conditions ? in a 757 doing 300 knots. As to the clearly alleged amateur pilots: IMPOSSIBLE!" "Impossible"? "No pilot will claim...?" Well, we did not have any difficulty finding pilots who disagreed. Ronald D. Bull, a retired United Airlines pilot, in Jupiter, Florida, told The New American, "It's not that difficult, and certainly not impossible," noting that it's much easier to crash intentionally into a target than to make a controlled landing. "If you're doing a suicide run, like these guys were doing, you'd just keep the nose down and push like the devil," says Capt. Bull, who flew 727s, 747s, 757s, and 767s for many years, internationally and domestically, including into the Washington, D.C., airports. Lamp posts taken out by Flight 77 were too far apart to have been done by a missile or a fighter jet, say witnesses and experts, including General Benton K. Partin. [Source: Library of Congress] George Williams of Waxhaw, North Carolina, piloted 707s, 727s, DC-10s, and 747s for Northwest Airlines for 38 years. "I don't see any merit to those arguments whatsoever," Capt. Williams told us. "The Pentagon is a pretty big target and I'd say hitting it was a fairly easy thing to do." According to 9/11 "investigator" Dick Eastman, whose wild theories are posted on the American Patriot Friends Network and many other Internet sites, Flight 77 was part of an elaborate deception in which a remote-controlled F-16 "killer jet" actually hit the Pentagon, while the 757 swooped over the Pentagon and landed at Reagan National Airport! "With its engines off," says Eastman, Flight 77 silently "coasted" in to the airport and blended in with other air traffic. "There would be few people to see Flight 77 come through, and those who did would doubtless assume that it was yet another routine flight over Reagan National," he claims. "That's so far-fetched it's beyond ludicrous," says Capt. Williams. "I've flown into Reagan [National Airport] hundreds of times and you can't just sneak in and 'blend in' without air traffic controllers knowing about it and without other pilots and witnesses noticing." Besides, as Capt. Ron Bull points out, the Eastman scenario would require piloting skills far beyond what it would take to hit the Pentagon. "I've flown into Reagan National many times and my first trip in a 757 was no picnic," he says. "I had to really work at it, and that was after 25 years of experience flying big jets. Any scenario that has the 757 [Flight 77] taking a flight path over the Pentagon and landing at National unobserved is proposing something that is far more difficult ? and far more difficult to believe ? than flying the plane into the Pentagon. It's just not credible." General Partin, an Air Force Command Pilot, sums up the case for Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon: "The alternative explanations just get crazier and crazier. In addition to the physical evidence and the photographic evidence supporting the official story, there are literally hundreds of eyewitnesses ? including many people I know personally ? who saw the 757. Besides that, there are the light poles that were knocked down ? which I saw personally and which are in the photographic record ? that can't be accounted for by a missile or small jet wingspan. Then you have the Flight 77 victim remains and the black boxes. If you reject all of that, then you have to come up with an alternative explanation for what happened to Flight 77. I've seen the alternative explanations and they're absurd!" But despite all the evidence to the contrary, let's suppose for a moment that Flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon. Why hijack the plane and then crash it into the Atlantic Ocean, or fly it into Reagan National Airport, or do whatever else was done with it to make it "disappear"? Why hijack the plane to make it appear that it was used against a target and then not use it against any target? Why plant the black boxes and human remains at the Pentagon site? Wouldn't it make more sense, and be much simpler, to actually use the plane against the Pentagon? World Trade Center Attacks Military plane? Some theorists claim that military planes, not commercial airliners, hit the WTC, based on a witness who didn?t see any windows on the plane that hit the South Tower. The above photo shows the windows from Flight 175?s wreckage. [Source: FEMA] As with the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon, the attacks on the Twin Towers in New York City have spawned a tremendous urban legend industry. "It's the Flash, Stupid!" In the video 911 In Plane Site, Dave vonKleist claims to have found the smoking gun: a bright flash that can be seen in a slow-motion viewing of video footage at the very moment that the noses of the jetliners crashed into the buildings
andrexoteSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 20:37
:shock: do you spect me to read all that thing? lol..jk im doing it :( :( easy to you to copy and paste :( :(
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 20:53
that report is a completely biased view of 9/11. one person's view does not constitute the truth. its just a guy who has the same bullshit opinion like you do. as crazyjoe has stated for me : "If everyone thinks the same, then someone isn't thinking" - Patton obviously you arent thinking. and even if you are, its not anything worth listening too.
VanguardSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 20:54
I just noticed this topic... and the question of if it was planned... planned by the terrorist? Of course. Planned by someone, say, on friendly territory. Who knows. Doesn't matter what others have to say. They can be lying out of their teeth
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 20:57
that report is a completely biased view of 9/11. one person's view does not constitute the truth. its just a guy who has the same bullshit opinion like you do. as crazyjoe has stated for me : "If everyone thinks the same, then someone isn't thinking" - Patton obviously you arent thinking. and even if you are, its not anything worth listening too. LOL omg .. That report was made by a far left liberal...did you even read it thoroughly? I doubt it. :lol: And my bullshit opinion fellow is shared by hundreds of millions if not billions of people. It's accepted fact. Sorry.
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 21:07
I just went back and re-read the whole thread again. This was an excellent discussion. I hope we have another one this good some day. It's alright to review facts. What's not alright is drawing insane conclusions based on picked facts and conjecture. Your crazy Overload....absofuckinglutely crazy if you believe that 9/11 was planned. Your a witch hunter....a fool with no cause...so you make a cause. Like I told snuffelect if your insane bullshit theories pan out to be true I'll eat my arm off screaming. Way to go bringing back this ancient absurd thread. you cant ignore all that math and science in that video and still turn your head. as retarded as you are, even a douche like you cannot ignore the all that. numbers dont lie. where the hell when they were passing out brains? go grow one. then go grow a dick on ur forehead and use it to floss ur ass. bitch. Numbers don't lie unless you twist them around to make them lie in your favor. You twist any god damn thing to lie in your favor...just like your pathetic little arse here is twisted. Go gather up some intelligence you pathetic little shit. :) I have nothing further to say on 9/11 was planned.... it's too absurd to bother with now and it's obvious I'm not going to convince the real morons around here at any rate no matter what I say. *sigh* What is the world coming to..oh wait this isn't the real world ...this is the fucking internet where goofs like you and idiots abound and revel in witch hunting and making conspiracty video's. If this pathetic conspiracy theory EVER pans I'll eat my shorts and pants too I'll even throw in my shoes after I walk through a cowfield full of shit..just like you guys and this board. It will never pan out..because shithouse rat conspiracy theories never do. No matter what convulted facts are thrown in. People that believe in them are in the world of nod not the world of reality. People that believe in them are(thank god almighty)...a small small minority. I don't think it's even worth arguing over anymore...yeah I'm sidestepping to avoid all the bullshit that's going to be poured out. I just want you fellows to know...your the minority...your the ones viewed as nutcases by the Right AND the Left. Only a fool believes a fool's story. :lol: :shock: :lol: how the hell do you twist numbers? i dont see how you can twist a 5 to make it a 4. the US is more like a dictatorship than you think. the us can violate our constitutional rights all they want as long as WE dont know about it.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 21:40
how the hell do you twist numbers? i dont see how you can twist a 5 to make it a 4. the US is more like a dictatorship than you think. the us can violate our constitutional rights all they want as long as WE dont know about it. *Yawn* :roll:
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 21:43
how the hell do you twist numbers? i dont see how you can twist a 5 to make it a 4. the US is more like a dictatorship than you think. the us can violate our constitutional rights all they want as long as WE dont know about it. *Yawn* :roll: uh oh. looks like i proved u wrong. now stfu like a good little bitch.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 21:45
how the hell do you twist numbers? i dont see how you can twist a 5 to make it a 4. the US is more like a dictatorship than you think. the us can violate our constitutional rights all they want as long as WE dont know about it. *Yawn* :roll: uh oh. looks like i proved u wrong. now stfu like a good little bitch. lol uh oh I geuss you didn't prove anything besides your a moron and I didn't think a response worthy. :twisted:
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 21:50
how the hell do you twist numbers? i dont see how you can twist a 5 to make it a 4. the US is more like a dictatorship than you think. the us can violate our constitutional rights all they want as long as WE dont know about it. *Yawn* :roll: uh oh. looks like i proved u wrong. now stfu like a good little bitch. lol uh oh I geuss you didn't prove anything besides your a moron and I didn't think a responce worthy. :twisted: still not hearing any proof besides ur mindless insults online. dude, smack talking online is like the special olympics. even if you win, ur still retarded. capiche?
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 22:46
how the hell do you twist numbers? i dont see how you can twist a 5 to make it a 4. the US is more like a dictatorship than you think. the us can violate our constitutional rights all they want as long as WE dont know about it. *Yawn* :roll: uh oh. looks like i proved u wrong. now stfu like a good little bitch. lol uh oh I geuss you didn't prove anything besides your a moron and I didn't think a responce worthy. :twisted: still not hearing any proof besides ur mindless insults online. dude, smack talking online is like the special olympics. even if you win, ur still retarded. capiche? lol child read that long post of mine..the pasted report. That is but one of many from both sides of the isle.
JonatanSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 22:55
I am not an american, but i do care about this thing. And one thing i do know, is, everything in america is steered of money. If you dont have money, you cant do anything. ;) And one more thing, dont you guys get it? George Bush is just a doll. All the other men with power are telling him what to do, and he'll do it... Just as the Iraq-attack, afghanistan, and soon(i think) Iran-attack. Its a thing they are telling in this movie, and which allways will be, people with power wants more power. Thats pretty sad. And for the collapsing, killing thousands(300000+?) people just to get more money! Come on now! Stand up! Do something! You should start a big thing, i mean, a club, a group. And start to protest! I mean, dont go to work and school and such, make the government cry! Please! DO SOMETHING! :D Oh well, its good night for me now(good morning acctually) its 05:59 now. =) See ya all later guys!
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive15 Jun 2006, 23:07
I am not an american, but i do care about this thing. And one thing i do know, is, everything in america is steered of money. If you dont have money, you cant do anything. ;) And one more thing, dont you guys get it? George Bush is just a doll. All the other men with power are telling him what to do, and he'll do it... Just as the Iraq-attack, afghanistan, and soon(i think) Iran-attack. Its a thing they are telling in this movie, and which allways will be, people with power wants more power. Thats pretty sad. And for the collapsing, killing thousands(300000+?) people just to get more money! Come on now! Stand up! Do something! You should start a big thing, i mean, a club, a group. And start to protest! I mean, dont go to work and school and such, make the government cry! Please! DO SOMETHING! :D Oh well, its good night for me now(good morning acctually) its 05:59 now. =) See ya all later guys! FUCKING *Yawn* :evil: :twisted:
godschildSalvaged from archive16 Jun 2006, 04:08
Evil Con. When you say that people who question the official 9/11 story are a small minority, you are just making that up out of wishful thinking. You missed it because it was not on any mainstrem news channel but take a look at a very recent Zogby poll. http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060522/bs_prweb/prweb3887… Almost half of Americans want the investigation reopened. and that is only after a five year span. A couple more years and we will see some trials start. After that, jail time and maybe even some public executions. I will work on your rebutttal to the PM this weekend.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive16 Jun 2006, 04:35
Evil Con. When you say that people who question the official 9/11 story are a small minority, you are just making that up out of wishful thinking. You missed it because it was not on any mainstrem news channel but take a look at a very recent Zogby poll. http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060522/bs_prweb/prweb3887… Almost half of Americans want the investigation reopened. and that is only after a five year span. A couple more years and we will see some trials start. After that, jail time and maybe even some public executions. I will work on your rebutttal to the PM this weekend. That poll doesn't prove a thing. Polls rarely do when ran by far left radicals. Here you go... http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=1963 . Furthermore even if some agreed there should be another investigation it doesn't mean they believe the horseshit posted here or on that contrived conspiracy video. And why rebutal the truth..why work so hard on something you should know is insane and any common man knows is insane. I can post a hundred rebuttals to your upcoming rebuttal made by a hundred different people if I wished....why bother. It's a waste of time...it's a waste of mind..really. Life isn't a movie.
Snuff.Salvaged from archive16 Jun 2006, 05:56
I have nothing further to say on 9/11 was planned.... it's too absurd to bother with now and it's obvious I'm not going to convince the real morons around here at any rate no matter what I say. This is what really pisses me off about you. The membership here has taken it's time to engage and debate you, coherently and critically, and all you can do is insult them. You don't even try, and the saddest thing is you honestly BELIEVE that you don't have to, because you're "right." (pun intended) If we're the ones "ignoring facts and logic" then how is it that we're also the only ones citing sources and arguing under the duress of critical method? You've done none of this, and still find the balls to throw out insults along this line. Hypocrisy is not a strong enough word to describe your pathology, sir; you are an all-out fucking psychotic. You suffer from a serious case of superiority complex, and I seriously hope your psychoanalyst ups your meds and incarcerates you, because you are raising the blood pressure of a lot of people. Please sir, just leave these boards now. I have seriously fucking had enough of this, and this is the first time in internet history I've felt genuinely insulted. Congratulations sir, you are a true fucking douche.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive16 Jun 2006, 07:08
I have nothing further to say on 9/11 was planned.... it's too absurd to bother with now and it's obvious I'm not going to convince the real morons around here at any rate no matter what I say. This is what really pisses me off about you. The membership here has taken it's time to engage and debate you, coherently and critically, and all you can do is insult them. You don't even try, and the saddest thing is you honestly BELIEVE that you don't have to, because you're "right." (pun intended) If we're the ones "ignoring facts and logic" then how is it that we're also the only ones citing sources and arguing under the duress of critical method? You've done none of this, and still find the balls to throw out insults along this line. Hypocrisy is not a strong enough word to describe your pathology, sir; you are an all-out fucking psychotic. You suffer from a serious case of superiority complex, and I seriously hope your psychoanalyst ups your meds and incarcerates you, because you are raising the blood pressure of a lot of people. Please sir, just leave these boards now. I have seriously fucking had enough of this, and this is the first time in internet history I've felt genuinely insulted. Congratulations sir, you are a true fucking douche. Thank you for your opinion Dr.Libby. Your idiocy is noted and disapproved. The membership here that I am arguing with is about 4 people currently so don't make it sound like I'm attacking the whole board Mr. Witch Hunter. I suppose you missed the sources I did cite. That's easy to do for you...just like you ignored the source the other fellow posted in general after warning you assholes to tone it down with your insulting(of me)..maybe I threw a couple in there as well,but only AFTER you guys jumped on the flame wagon first. It's exactly what I'm talking about...ignoring or immediatly dismissing anything that doesn't agree with your viewpoints. That is beyond sad. It's pathetic. All the crap you all have posted I have read fully and still found it to be ..crap. Nothing that isn't easily dismissed with common sense and the full factual story. Not out of context items of information and/or a conglomerate of convoluted facts and theories formed to support your views. Why don't you leave since your so insulted. Such is the case when one hits a little too close to the mark..illogical anger. :wink: :lol:
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive16 Jun 2006, 07:27
I am not an american, but i do care about this thing. And one thing i do know, is, everything in america is steered of money. If you dont have money, you cant do anything. ;) And one more thing, dont you guys get it? George Bush is just a doll. All the other men with power are telling him what to do, and he'll do it... Just as the Iraq-attack, afghanistan, and soon(i think) Iran-attack. Its a thing they are telling in this movie, and which allways will be, people with power wants more power. Thats pretty sad. And for the collapsing, killing thousands(300000+?) people just to get more money! Come on now! Stand up! Do something! You should start a big thing, i mean, a club, a group. And start to protest! I mean, dont go to work and school and such, make the government cry! Please! DO SOMETHING! :D Oh well, its good night for me now(good morning acctually) its 05:59 now. =) See ya all later guys! FUCKING *Yawn* :evil: :twisted: is that all you ever do? pretend to yawn online. at least say something back.
Big OzzieSalvaged from archive16 Jun 2006, 11:16
STFU and take a Friggin Pill, will ya?
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive16 Jun 2006, 17:45
is that all you ever do? pretend to yawn online. at least say something back. It wasn't pretending. :lol: I didn't reply because that B.S. has been done to death...and where's the proof in it. Just some foreigner's biased opinion.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive16 Jun 2006, 18:19
Evil Con. When you say that people who question the official 9/11 story are a small minority, you are just making that up out of wishful thinking. You missed it because it was not on any mainstrem news channel but take a look at a very recent Zogby poll. http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060522/bs_prweb/prweb3887… Almost half of Americans want the investigation reopened. and that is only after a five year span. A couple more years and we will see some trials start. After that, jail time and maybe even some public executions. I will work on your rebutttal to the PM this weekend. That poll doesn't prove a thing. Polls rarely do when ran by far left radicals. Here you go... http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=1963 . Furthermore even if some agreed there should be another investigation it doesn't mean they believe the horseshit posted here or on that contrived conspiracy video. And why rebutal the truth..why work so hard on something you should know is insane and any common man knows is insane. I can post a hundred rebuttals to your upcoming rebuttal made by a hundred different people if I wished....why bother. It's a waste of time...it's a waste of mind..really. Life isn't a movie. what makes your poll any more liable? How come you have this frame of mind thinking "hmm if I think then everyone must think it. If they don't think it they are insane/wrong/etc." It's not hard for an intelligent open mind. Amazing how you contradict yourself. So the only people with an open mind are those who agree with you?
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive16 Jun 2006, 18:29
Evil Con. When you say that people who question the official 9/11 story are a small minority, you are just making that up out of wishful thinking. You missed it because it was not on any mainstrem news channel but take a look at a very recent Zogby poll. http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060522/bs_prweb/prweb3887… Almost half of Americans want the investigation reopened. and that is only after a five year span. A couple more years and we will see some trials start. After that, jail time and maybe even some public executions. I will work on your rebutttal to the PM this weekend. That poll doesn't prove a thing. Polls rarely do when ran by far left radicals. Here you go... http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=1963 . Furthermore even if some agreed there should be another investigation it doesn't mean they believe the horseshit posted here or on that contrived conspiracy video. And why rebutal the truth..why work so hard on something you should know is insane and any common man knows is insane. I can post a hundred rebuttals to your upcoming rebuttal made by a hundred different people if I wished....why bother. It's a waste of time...it's a waste of mind..really. Life isn't a movie. what makes your poll any more liable? How come you have this frame of mind thinking "hmm if I think then everyone must think it. If they don't think it they are insane/wrong/etc." It's not hard for an intelligent open mind. Amazing how you contradict yourself. So the only people with an open mind are those who agree with you? Amazing.. :lol: ..You didn't even read the url. It's not a poll. :lol:
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive16 Jun 2006, 18:41
too lazy, just assumed I wish I didn't click it now. Just a bunch of "liberal this, liberal that" crap. Tired of the political shit.
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive17 Jun 2006, 15:37
if you guys are gonna go back and forth on this topic, could you guys only quote each others last response instead of quoting quotes inside quotes. it takes the screen longer to load.
Big OzzieSalvaged from archive17 Jun 2006, 17:12
if you guys are gonna go back and forth on this topic, could you guys only quote each others last response instead of quoting quotes inside quotes. it takes the screen longer to load. OZZIE wrote:Cause MUFFIN wrote:Cause SNUFFLES wrote:Cause ROCKER wrote:Cause O-LORD wrote:Cause GRIMMY wrote:Cause BLAK wrote:Cause EVIL CON GUY wrote:Cause MERRIL wrote:Cause ACE wrote:Cause TECH DUDE wrote:Cause IRS wrote:.................... thanks cheese guy, I think that was what was giving me a HEADACHE....too many quoted quotes to read through! :twisted:
godschildSalvaged from archive17 Jun 2006, 18:28
Were the Twin Towers brought down by explosives? Yes. Jet Fuel. All the planes had nearly topped off tanks when the terrorists turned them back from their assigned courses immediately upon taking control. The laws of physics were in no way broken. If you donât understand the laws of physics, then donât even attempt to argue them with me. The laws of physics absolutely apply to the destruction of a building and its contents in every detail. But Iâll dumb it down so you can understand. First jet fuel is classified as a combustible, not an explosive. Hydro carbons(fossil fuels) have exponentionally lower characteristics of force and heat producing properties. When you stack domino's up in a row and tip one what happens? They come all tumbling down. This is much the same affect which happened on the WTC. The sheer heat of the jet fuel severely weakened the buildings structural integrity. When one floor started to fall the next..then the next ..then the next...all the time building up weight as it was falling crushing each floor below it until they were completely collapsed...just like domino's. It breaks no Physics laws. This is really what happened. But this wasnât your idea, actually it is called the pancake theory and it taken from the executive summary of the NIST report and it completely defies the laws of physics. 200 scientists who worked on that and 400+ more www.scholars/trh.org that have studied the available info came to that conclusion. The NIST report clearly states in the data that they completed four test studies and the only one to meet the requirements was the test that was based on building new computer models and changing the laws of physics. And then we got to watch copies of those programs played on the news and the discovery channel. I saw a gorilla run around New York tearing up the city and kidnapping hot blondes too. Does making a computer model make something real? Your domino theory breaks down this way man. Try to keep up. You push the first domino and thereby transfer energy to the domino through force. The mass of the domino, plus your force, combined with gravity start that domino falling. Next one of two things happen, but not both. It either transfers that energy to the next domino or it burst it to dust. It canât do both man. And you canât drop 1000 tons of steel, concrete and office supplies onto the next floor, have it break hundreds of steel beams and supports and pulverize itself into dust and still have enough force to pulverize the next. The sheer heat of the jet fuel severely weakened the buildings structural integrity. Why do you not mention the large masses of molten steel that were dug up under the rubble of WTC 1,2 and 7 weeks after 9/11. Sure fire from jet fuel and office supplies can weaken steel but it canât melt it. Temp of the WTC fires was about 1300â F to 1500â F in its hottest places. It takes 2700â F to melt steel. Numerous trace amounts of different chemicals could have been found it was a big building. And this is where the sulfur deposits come in. They were not trace amounts but mass quantities that were melted into the large chunks of steel slag. Nothing that was in any of the buildings structure or contents can account for it. But they came from somewhere. What does fit is that in controlled demoâs, sulfur is mixed with thermite plasma to make shape charges to cut steel beams. Mixing in the sulfur increase the heat and reaction time to make it cut through steel beams in milliseconds. Like in the photo taken at the site. Notice the steel beam. The perfectly rectangular diagonal cut with large deposits of molten steel outling the cut area? http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/3613/240406thermite14j… (http://imageshack.us) People are still sick from the rescue operations. And just think, two days after, a rep from the EPA said the air was safe to breath and Wall Street sprung back to life. Grasping onto this as some kind of indicator that there were explosives is like trying to hold a handful of sand..it slips through your fingers. No. It just slips through your mind. What hit the Pentagon? A plane hit it. They recently released video of a plane hitting it. No it was an additional 30 plus frames added to the five âsecretly releasedâ years ago. And still only two frames show a blurry white mass that we are told is Flight 77. At least three other cameras in the area were pointed right at the impact zone. Havenât seen those yet have you? As to how it hit it that is simple. This attack was completely unpresidented in our history. There were numerous commercial flights still in the air. They could not simply launch missiles and knock them all down hoping to get the right one and launching strike jets is not instantaneous. Jets travel fairly fast ...these bastards had been training to do this a long time and flew a direct course to their targets all within a relatively short period of time. We were not expecting this. We had become complacent. Even if everything was being tracked by them there were still thousands of commercial flights to sift through. It's not that simple especially when your caught off guard. You canât be this dumb. Not only did the Pentagon war-game these very scenario months before, they have devoted massive amounts of money and time on âkamikazeâ pilots since at least WWII. Highjackings!! Please man, how long has this country been dealing with countering highjackings. NORAD was running terrorists training exercises that day dealing with several simulated and one actual live airline highjacking. What radars were on or off is irrelevant. I had to separate this statement. I do think you can even believe this. The FAA landed thousands of planes in about an hour. This was with secondary radar systems with transponder codes. Now the pentagon has made public statements that they have radar systems capable of tracking every thing flying over American airspace including hundreds of enemy fighters and missles in real time. These systems are manned 24/7/365 no matter how âasleepâ the rest of the country is. And they had several minutes lead time as to which flights were on watch for possible highjackings. The pentagon strike was a half hour after the trade centers. Our military ainât that slow. Were terrorist involved or was it our own government? Terrorist were involved and it was Al Qaeda. Your going to have to go deeper than what I saw under that question I didn't see anything that could possibly prove U.S. involvment. There is way over fifty years of history to explain the connections between our countries interest in the middle east and why we are in a war on terror? I am flattered that you think I can prove our governments involvement but you are talking about very complicated world politics. I was only provided a minute overview of some of the most complicated issues in history, Also I was providing small pieces on info that were relevant to the thinking of ruling men that the American people needed to be awoken and moved to war in order to sustain the âAmerican Way of Lifeâ No true facts..just conjecture over a small conglomerate of facts taken out of context. All right scatterbrain which is it. Are there no facts or am I making stuff up based on facts. You canât have both. I don't deal in conjecture. Sure you do. The article you posted and the things you say are perfect examples. Just like me you are presenting supporting evidence for only one side of all of the available data from that day. Iâm doing it because everyone pretty much knows the official story, so I am presenting small descriptions of the other video, photo and oral records. You on the other hand are just omitting anything that doesnât support the official theory. This is also what the 9/11 commission did. Anyone who gave conflicting eveidence to the pancake theory or gave testimony about explosives in closed sessions were barred from testifying in the public forums. Some were even gagged by federal judges to not dislose any of their testimony under penalty of law. The last thing Iâll mention is Flight 93. No it was not shot down. It was being taken back by the passengers and they were running it into the ground because of this. Why would they be shouting "Allah is great" over and over if it was not a deathchant as they flew themselves and their innocent payload into the ground? Mistakes about time can be made. I don't know where your coming from with this. It doesnât surprise me. You donât understand much. We are talking about subatomic clocks here. Accurate up to the millionth of a second. There is no mistake. We just havenât been told the whole truth. I really would like to not watch an hour long conspiracy video of composed of facts taken out of context, conjecture, skipping over of other hard evidence, and outright propaganda if I can help it. It would be a waste of an hour of my life and I already know what happened on 9/11..I have heard many an argument over the last few years about such insane conspiracys...and it's all been B.S. so far. The video is much the same as the posts I've seen about the subject I have no doubt. No!! Please do not watch it. You made your mind up about something you havenât seen based on info you donât understand. There is no reason for you to watch it or do any research or anything. Your all set man. If you call me on it though I will watch it and burn my eyes with the twisting evil of the witchhunt mentality. I assure you though that if I do watch it it will not alter my views. I have seen many things like it. I even burned my eyes with Micheal Moore's damnable movie...but I also watched FarhenHYPE 9/11 which completely shreds Moore and shows him for what he really is. When was the last time you heard of a conspiracy theory that turned out to be true? That's why they are called conspiracy theories...they are theories made by people with a witch hunt mentality and it is oh so easy for the human race to get on a good old fashioned witch hunt...oh so very easy. Especially when it is someone you have been taught to dislike by biased media reports and constant attacks on the current administration. The witch hunt analogy is good though man. But you have to add more facts to it. Three of the most well know witch hunts in human history were constructed and carried out by governments. The Christian crusades The Salem Witch trials The Third Reich final solution It is a far far far left liberal's wetdream to see this as an actual fact and that the Bush administration is evil and corrupt and somehow has created a twisted soap opera for us to figure out. This is not the case. Actually if it was just the far left then I would agree with you. But as with just about everything in this thread you ignore the fact that what I posted was from far right Christian conservatives. Also former Bush admin officials are coming out with statements that support a cover-up. Start with Dr. David Ray Griffen. There are hundreds of others but if you can dismiss what he says out of hand then just continue to believe this is all about punditry. Our country needed to be moved towards a war that will, in the words Dick Cheney, âwill not end in our lifetimeâ. It wouldnât have happened without 9/11. You mentioned conspiracyâs of the past. There are two major ones that historians on both sides have come to agree with. Pearl Harbor Gulf of Tonkin It is not unprecedented for a government to allow an attack against there own people in order to move the population into a conflict they do not want to be involved in. If you read and comprehend all this then please post some of your sources so I can see if they are ones I have read or not. Thanx for the time.
hiSalvaged from archive17 Jun 2006, 18:55
*Evil Con posts a link to a live feed of Fox news* :lol:
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive17 Jun 2006, 19:50
Were the Twin Towers brought down by explosives? Yes. Jet Fuel. All the planes had nearly topped off tanks when the terrorists turned them back from their assigned courses immediately upon taking control. The laws of physics were in no way broken. actually the majority of the jet fuel exploded outside the towers. so what must have brought down the towers must've been a small minority of the jet fuel plus a ?-ton plane going at ??? mph. im too lazy to name the specifics.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive18 Jun 2006, 01:00
Ok down to business. :lol: I hope you don't mind if I post more than a few links for your reading pleasure and you damn well better read them. I'll watch your nutcase video Loosechange. Then I'm watching the rebuttal video then I shall read all the real information not the twisted guided bullshit that's going to burn my eyes for the next hour. Your going to watch it to. It's called Screw Loosechange. I may post a lengthy wastefull school quiz post such as yours or I may just post a few links that will utterly vaporize this horseshit forever in most of your minds. It's coming..tonight if I have time ..or tomorrow. You asked for it. :shock: :roll: :twisted:
OutlawIncarnateSalvaged from archive18 Jun 2006, 01:07
Entertaining? Did you not see the explosions in the floors under where the plane hit the Twin Towers before they fell? This was a quote from the first page and might have been answered but let me explain a little. The building collapsed because the internal structure was gone. See, what happens is the floor drops due to the weakened support beams from the heat of the fire not being able to support the weight on that floor. What happens then is that floor collapses, and falls on the one below it, then that floor falls, etc. As each floor hits the other floor there is bound to be "explosions' which are justs bursts of fire becuase they have no place to go since the floor above fell on it. The outside of the building can stay standing for a short while but without the internal structure holding it up it collapses, exactly how the twin towers did.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive18 Jun 2006, 03:27
Here goes. I'm not going to argue my points because my points are in the following informational links and video. You can try to argue with them if you dare, because they are my views. The guy that subtitled and rebutted the story in ScrewLoose Change could be me in another form. :shock: :P So ..some informative none biased links to start with..just a couple..there are plenty more. Engineer's Review (http://www.architectureweek.com/cgi-bin/wlk?http://www.pb… Engineer's Conclusions (http://www.architectureweek.com/2002/0515/news_1-1.html) Some not so unbiased but perfectly logical and factual information now. More usefull information. (http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/05/11/take-off… Screwloose Website (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/) And for those too lazy to find the links for themselves to the video.. Google Screwloose Change Part 1 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1506026976066602012) Google Screwloose Change Part 2 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1704985757029288892) Google Screwloose Change Part 3 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8331615143873106815) Myspace Screwloose Change Part 1 (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individ… Myspace Screwloose Change Part 2 (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individ… Myspace Screwloose Change Part 3 (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individ… Watch it. Read it. Despair in it. :twisted: No excuses. I watched that pathetic piece of trash propaganda conspiracy video and burned my eyes with it I've never seen such shit before..pardon my french, but that is what it was and that's the only word that can describe it...a steaming pile of shit. You watch the FACTUAL rebuttals that utterly destroy it linked above now. I dumbed it down for you. Enjoy. :roll: :twisted: OWNED, PWNED, TARED AND FEATHERED. Did I mention I hate that little nutcase's voice..little disrepecting punk turd. :lol: :twisted: :twisted:
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive18 Jun 2006, 05:28
Entertaining? Did you not see the explosions in the floors under where the plane hit the Twin Towers before they fell? This was a quote from the first page and might have been answered but let me explain a little. The building collapsed because the internal structure was gone. See, what happens is the floor drops due to the weakened support beams from the heat of the fire not being able to support the weight on that floor. What happens then is that floor collapses, and falls on the one below it, then that floor falls, etc. As each floor hits the other floor there is bound to be "explosions' which are justs bursts of fire becuase they have no place to go since the floor above fell on it. The outside of the building can stay standing for a short while but without the internal structure holding it up it collapses, exactly how the twin towers did. Well said. According to the laws according to "scatter" brained conspiracy believers that haven't the slightest knowledge in physics just gleamed crap from a kid's moment of fame conspiracy video it couldn't happen that way. Unfortunately for their misguided uninformed minds...YES it can happen and does happen. Anyways..take a look at the video links I posted and linked material I posted. :D (Not talking to you here,OutlawIncarnate) If some conspiracy nutter posts again here without reading my information fully and completely and watching the counter video ScrewLoose Change completely through you will be ignored or ground into the mud. :evil: :twisted:
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive18 Jun 2006, 10:54
OMFG, even if it was a fucking conspiracy, what are you guys gonna do about it if it is?
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive18 Jun 2006, 17:49
OMFG, even if it was a fucking conspiracy, what are you guys gonna do about it if it is? I'm assuming you watched the video links I posted and read the material as well. It's not a "fucking" conspiracy and there is nothing to be done about it..because it's fabricated horseshit. People don't do things about horseshit other than laugh at it and be disgusted by it. Personally I did both when I watched it..I laughed more..the laughs of agreement.. from the rebuttal video Screw Loose Change however.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive18 Jun 2006, 18:20
*Crickets chirping* *Cow mooing in the distance* It certainly got quiet. :twisted:
Big OzzieSalvaged from archive18 Jun 2006, 19:48
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.................
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive19 Jun 2006, 17:33
What? Nothing to say nutter conspiracy guys? Not even a thanks for giving you the truth and destroying your misguided views on that little shit's video? I'm so sad I was expecting at least some kind of idiotic pablem. :roll: :twisted: *Crickets go back to chirping* *Snoring man in the background somewhere*
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive19 Jun 2006, 18:21
Too lazy to read all the shit you posted. How come you ignored Godchild's post? He challanged pretty much every point you tried to make.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive19 Jun 2006, 18:26
Too lazy to read all the shit you posted. How come you ignored Godchild's post? He challanged pretty much every point you tried to make. If your too lazy to even watch the rebuttal film your not worth talking to,Beavis. You should go back to staring at the buzzsaw with it's sirine song. His challenges to my LATE night reply to his PM are totally blown the Hell away with the information I posted. There is NO NEED to even read Godchild's post..though I did.. let alone respond to it. If you read the information I posted and watch the 3 part video you will KNOW why.
Big OzzieSalvaged from archive19 Jun 2006, 18:45
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz.............hhmmm..huh?.....what? .....somebody say something?...........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
andrexoteSalvaged from archive19 Jun 2006, 22:00
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz.............hhmmm..huh?.....what? .....somebody say something?...........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz lol lol lol , i knew i wasn't the only one bored by these kind of posts...damn so long and uninformative :lol: :lol: :lol:
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive19 Jun 2006, 22:08
lol lol lol , i knew i wasn't the only one bored by these kind of posts...damn so long and uninformative :lol: :lol: :lol: Then don't read them. My posts were very informative with facts and rebuttal agains't that pathetic punk's conspiracy video he made to sell T-shirts and hats.
OutlawIncarnateSalvaged from archive19 Jun 2006, 22:44
Ya, don't waste your time believing some dumbass conspiracy if you are too illiterate to even read the facts.
godschildSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 03:54
Ya, don't waste your time believing some dumbass conspiracy if you are too illiterate to even read the facts. That pretty much just how I feel. Except in reverse of you and evil. Buy the official story hook line and sinker if ya want. Just don't waste your time with the evidence that doesn't fit the theme. I will get to your post this week evil conservative. We will see if they refute my post or not. (I do not get much time during the week).
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 04:10
Ya, don't waste your time believing some dumbass conspiracy if you are too illiterate to even read the facts. That pretty much just how I feel. Except in reverse of you and evil. Buy the official story hook line and sinker if ya want. Just don't waste your time with the evidence that doesn't fit the theme. I will get to your post this week evil conservative. We will see if they refute my post or not. (I do not get much time during the week). Ahh God I wish you would just drop this stinking pile of horseshit that is NEVER..EVER..going to be anything other than that(horseshit) despite what more out of context crap you pull up. I suppose you'll go to that fuck's forum for material..good luck. You can twist you can turn but the truth will keep on staring you right straight in your face and you ignore it. I buy RELEVANT facts. I buy expert witnesses. I buy REAL experts. You don't. You buy some kid's T-shirt video that laughs in the face of all the victims of 9/11. That little fuck needs to be drawn and quartered for his disrespect..but that's me. I think I'm going to be sick.
ChebSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 05:08
So basically what you are saying is that no matter what godschild posts, you will as always refuse to address the post, and start with your insults. Honestly godschild I would not bother with evil if youre intending to debate this with a possible outcome. With every single one of evil's posts, all he does is mention how ridiculous a certain argument is without addressing one thing you or anyone else might say. You took your time to post a whole lot of information and all he did was give you a few links. If you do refute the links, it is likely that you would get the same response. Personally I would not bother.
Snuff.Salvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 07:18
I'ma stoke this baby back to life: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5M0xtxQVQ&search=bush Why is the Bush administration even acknowledging these claims? And now they've done so, why don't they confront the claims head-on and solve the inaccuracies of the 9/11 Commision's findings? You don't need a damn conspiracy to see that the official reports were a bag of shit (pakistan, anbody?), and I'm not sure that the BA will be able to sit there with their middle finger in the air for the rest of his term.
Big OzzieSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 08:13
. GODSCHILD sez... I will get to your post this week evil conservative. We will see if they refute my post or not. (I do not get much time during the week). BIG Ozzie sez..... What's the matter? Do you have to work for a living, too? :shock: Working is the most highly over-rated thing that we do! :? Don't you wish that we were born RICH instead of GOODLOOKING? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Big OzzieSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 08:29
zzzzzzzZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZZzzzzzzzZZZzzz....SNORT..... ..zzzzzZZZZzzzzz.. eh?.........huh?, what?.....someone wake me again?................................. Damn I was dreaming that I was Drowning in a Cesspool of Quotes, Links and senseless bullshit where words have been twisted and turned and quotes have been quoted that were already quoted and the whole thing started to smell of CRAP that could not be proven and was all speculation anyway and I would rather dream about Quantum Physics or the theories and speculations on what would happen if the earth were a cube instead of round, going back to sleep, G'NIGHT!...........zzzzzzzZZZZzzzzzzZZzzzz
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 15:21
So basically what you are saying is that no matter what godschild posts, you will as always refuse to address the post, and start with your insults. Honestly godschild I would not bother with evil if youre intending to debate this with a possible outcome. With every single one of evil's posts, all he does is mention how ridiculous a certain argument is without addressing one thing you or anyone else might say. You took your time to post a whole lot of information and all he did was give you a few links. If you do refute the links, it is likely that you would get the same response. Personally I would not bother. Honestly, Cheb what I am basically saying..what I basically did...was point you all to some factual evidence that destroys this argument and a counter video to Loose Change which utterly destroys it. What I am saying is what Ozzie here told me awhile back. Stop beating a dead dog. And if you actually believe what your saying about my posts....I don't know what to say....your WRONG or you need to actually read them. *whine* *whine* "all he did was post a few links" *whine* READ THE F'ING LINKS AND WATCH THE GD VIDEO then get back to me. You cannot refute cold hard truths not taken out of context. You can sidestep it and ignore parts that's about it. If anyone attempts to refute my links/views I will be disheartened that some are so....lost...to attempt it, but I will defend truth. Sometimes I question why I bother..the answer came to me simply. I enjoy it.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 15:40
I'ma stoke this baby back to life: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5M0xtxQVQ&search=bush Why is the Bush administration even acknowledging these claims? And now they've done so, why don't they confront the claims head-on and solve the inaccuracies of the 9/11 Commision's findings? You don't need a damn conspiracy to see that the official reports were a bag of shit (pakistan, anbody?), and I'm not sure that the BA will be able to sit there with their middle finger in the air for the rest of his term. Durp diddle durp de durr..durka durka durk. :twisted: I'm sorry Snuff I just raped your conspiracy...perhaps you didn't pay attention to the information I posted. Perhaps you didn't fully read and watch them. Why on God's green Earth would you want to "stoke this baby back to life"? It is dead dog...it's a pile of steaming horseshit..if you need proof actually READ and WATCH the information I posted. Why would Pres. Bush say such a thing? Hmmm...maybe some jackass fools were shouting at him at an appearance..or he heard about the wild bullshit that was swinging through the far left radical community and wanted to put it down like a rabid dog. He would be wasting our time if he fully addressed such outright B.S. It doesn't matter does it ? No it doesn't. Because what he says is true...they are outright blatant lies by far left radicals that not many at all actually believe. Lastly....did you even actually read the official 9/11 report? No? I didn't think so.(If you try to say you did and didn't you will be making a very very big mistake. Guess why.) You make judgements based on your personal feelings(and some child's T-Shirt video) on something you have no idea about. You don't even live in the United States. You didn't revive anything with that little clip. You just affirmed Bush has a clear head when it comes to horseshit just as I do.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 15:43
BIG Ozzie sez..... What's the matter? Do you have to work for a living, too? :shock: Working is the most highly over-rated thing that we do! :? Don't you wish that we were born RICH instead of GOODLOOKING? :lol: :lol: :lol: I wish I was born rich...that way I could be good looking AND rich. :lol:
hiSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 15:53
I wish I was born rich...that way I could be good looking AND rich. :lol: Yes, but plastic surgery is a slippery slope. You could end up looking like MJ with your nose falling off. :shock: And slightly less rich to boot. j/k :wink:
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 16:27
I wish I was born rich...that way I could be good looking AND rich. :lol: Yes, but plastic surgery is a slippery slope. You could end up looking like MJ with your nose falling off. :shock: And slightly less rich to boot. j/k :wink: Here let me edit what I said for you to more fully comprehend it. :wink: I wish I was born rich...that way I could be both naturally good looking AND rich. :twisted: And the flames keep on rolling when there is nothing left........... :D
godschildSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 16:58
Because what he says is true...they are outright blatant lies by far left radicals that not many at all actually believe.. No, what I posted was taken from conservatives. Ones I already named and you ignored. Lastly....did you even actually read the official 9/11 report? No? I didn't think so.(If you try to say you did and didn't you will be making a very very big mistake. Guess why.) Yes I read it and I also read, the NIST report the FEMA study the Pentabom report What else is there? And Cheb I am not debating Evil because he ignores any facts I post. I am doing this for the benefit of others who come here and read these threads. Also please take the time to read and investigate the links posted by Evil. It is better to get both sides of the argument and make an informed decision. I am still going through them and I will watch the "screw loose change" vid tonight.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 17:38
Because what he says is true...they are outright blatant lies by far left radicals that not many at all actually believe.. No, what I posted was taken from conservatives. Ones I already named and you ignored. Lastly....did you even actually read the official 9/11 report? No? I didn't think so.(If you try to say you did and didn't you will be making a very very big mistake. Guess why.) Yes I read it and I also read, the NIST report the FEMA study the Pentabom report What else is there? And Cheb I am not debating Evil because he ignores any facts I post. I am doing this for the benefit of others who come here and read these threads. Also please take the time to read and investigate the links posted by Evil. It is better to get both sides of the argument and make an informed decision. I am still going through them and I will watch the "screw loose change" vid tonight. Sane conservatives don't believe in such things. Just as sane liberals don't believe in such things. A conspiracy radical is a conspiracy radical. I ignored your post because I blew it away with the information I posted. Also my links aren't arguments...they are factual in content and they are not skewed,twisted, or taken out of context.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 17:44
" He would be wasting our time if he fully addressed such outright B.S" And going on vacation isnt? It wouldn't waste anyone's time. It would answer many of our questions, and would give us no reason to question what happend on 9/11.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 18:16
" He would be wasting our time if he fully addressed such outright B.S" And going on vacation isnt? It wouldn't waste anyone's time. It would answer many of our questions, and would give us no reason to question what happend on 9/11. There has already been an investigation into 9/11 and it was conclusive that it was planned and executed by Islamic terrorists(Al Qaida).
hiSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 18:43
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1996/conversionnoob7bu… Anyone else see whats wrong with this? :lol:
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 18:59
Anyone else see whats wrong with this? :lol: No. Not really. Lest your talking about the length conversion. I take it to mean 3/4th" or 2 cm myself. :roll:
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 19:30
Why am I here. I don't know where I am. Where am I. Everything going black. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE(CONSPIRACY NUTTERS) DO ANY OF YOU HAVE A LIFE FOR GOD'S SAKE. IF I SHOWED YOU A ROCK IN YOUR FACE YOU'D SAY IT WAS A FUCKING GOOSE EGG.
hiSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 19:32
Try converting 3.4" into cm and see what you get. :wink: 1 centimeter = 0.393 inches btw. I therefore conclude that 3.4" is in fact 8.6cm, not the 2cm that was sugested in this video. :shock: It is an outright blatant lie by far right radicals that not many people at all actually believe. :shock: :shock:
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 19:34
Try converting 3.4" into cm and see what you get. :wink: 1 centimeter = 0.393 inches btw. It is an outright blatant lie by far right radicals that not many people at all actually believe. :shock: It's not a lie. Nice try. It's a misread and most likely a mistype. See my post above my temporary loss of temper. The people that did this aren't radicals. They are clear thinking people that can see through horseshit. Here...take this link (http://www.motorhoming.com/cookery_convertor.htm) and shove it. Scroll down to length measurements. Thanks. Bye for now, kid.
hiSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 19:36
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=Sense+of+humor&hl…
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 19:39
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=Sense+of+humor&hl… I have a sense of humor thank you. As you can tell from other posts if you look deeper than the surface. I have a sarcastic dark humor. This subject is not something I find humorous.
hiSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 19:58
Try converting 3.4" into cm and see what you get. :wink: 1 centimeter = 0.393 inches btw. I therefore conclude that 3.4" is in fact 8.6cm, not the 2cm that was sugested in this video. :shock: It is an outright blatant lie by far right radicals that not many people at all actually believe. :shock: :shock: Here...take this link (http://www.motorhoming.com/cookery_convertor.htm) and shove it. Scroll down to length measurements. Thanks. Bye for now, kid. lmao did you make the subtitles on that video? :D http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3632/lengthconversion1… Although then again, those figures are probably unreliable. www.motorhoming.com has a well known liberal bias. :shock:
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive20 Jun 2006, 20:06
It's not a lie. Nice try. It's a misread and most likely a mistype. See my post above my temporary loss of temper. The people that did this aren't radicals. They are clear thinking people that can see through horseshit. Here...take this link (http://www.motorhoming.com/cookery_convertor.htm) and shove it. Scroll down to length measurements. Thanks. Bye for now, kid. 3.4 was an obvious mistype...what does 3/4th inch = in cm..it equals about 2cm. Everyone makes mistypes. I edit my own posts sometimes for spelling correction. Anyway...this means absolutely NOTHING. Additionally the statement about the fireproofing was a fact.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive21 Jun 2006, 14:28
"It's not a lie. Nice try. It's a misread and most likely a mistype." "Numbers don't lie unless you twist them around to make them lie in your favor" OH MY GOSHHHHHHHHHHHH Amazing how you contradict yourself!
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive21 Jun 2006, 17:20
"It's not a lie. Nice try. It's a misread and most likely a mistype." "Numbers don't lie unless you twist them around to make them lie in your favor" OH MY GOSHHHHHHHHHHHH Amazing how you contradict yourself! The number wasn't twisted. It's OBVIOUSLY A MISTYPE AND ANYONE THAT ISN'T BLIND AS A BAT WOULD SEE IT, BEAVIS. I want you to do something for me ,Beavis. Look down at your keyboard and observe how close the / is to the . . Stop bothering me with your ignorance and play with a buzzsaw or other sharp dangerous instrument. Is this the best you can do to argue with me about this? I believe it is. :roll:
balloonknottSalvaged from archive21 Jun 2006, 18:09
I was arguing about this same thing with a Canadian on msn. He told me we Americans just listen to what the media tells us. I said where did you get that from? He said the media. HAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!! Too easy. .
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive21 Jun 2006, 18:42
I was arguing about this same thing with a Canadian on msn. He told me we Americans just listen to what the media tells us. I said where did you get that from? He said the media. HAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!! Too easy. LOL :roll: :shock: :lol: :lol:
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive21 Jun 2006, 22:09
I was arguing about this same thing with a Canadian on msn. He told me we Americans just listen to what the media tells us. I said where did you get that from? He said the media. HAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!! Too easy. . i think we american really do just do what the media says. just look at all the commercials. and besides, i kinda think its sad that we care more about the love life of celebrities than whos gonna be the next pres.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive21 Jun 2006, 22:16
I was arguing about this same thing with a Canadian on msn. He told me we Americans just listen to what the media tells us. I said where did you get that from? He said the media. HAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!! Too easy. . i think we american really do just do what the media says. just look at all the commercials. and besides, i kinda think its sad that we care more about the love life of celebrities than whos gonna be the next pres. You may just do what the media says. I don't. I make my own conclusions based on all the facts weighed and judged carefully they just happen to coincide with the official and true explanations in most cases.
balloonknottSalvaged from archive21 Jun 2006, 22:52
. it is just not possible that the fire the plane caused could have made the building collapse Lookit stupid, the force of the explosion from the planes hitting the towers at 580 and 540 MPH with about 20,000 gallons of jut fuel on each plane is roughly equal to the force of .65000 kilotons that is the force of 650 tons of TNT hitting each tower. That is the force of a small nuclear weapon (go google the davy crockett bomb) Steel starts to bow at 1500 degrees, listen to the NYPD helicopter pilots at the time saying the towers were starting to bow. Each of the towers which are more then 200 feet wide on each side where supported by one central steel core surrounded by open office space. Eighteen-inch steel tubes ran vertically along the outside, providing much of the support for the building. Once the planes damaged the central core, the weight was redistributed to the outer steel tubes, which were slowly deformed by the added weight and the heat of the fire. The supposed demo charges that you're surely going to retort with blowing up on the side of the tower are... (wait for it..) ...the outer support beams breaking! (is it that hard to grasp? Apparently so) Amazing! Just think about it! The Bush administration has "appeared" to bungle every thing from health care to WMD to Supreme Court nominee, to Cheney shooting someone in the ass to the gas "crisis"... just so they could perfectly pull off this one big conspiracy! You 9/11 conspiracist's are so inferior to me it's almost funny. Now run along back to the Loose Change forums and discuss how there were no Jews in the Trade Centers on 9/11 because they were all warned not to be there the day before. HAAHAHAHAHAHAA!! Too easy! .
DoomSalvaged from archive26 Jun 2006, 21:07
^ Are you being paid to write that or are you a complete idiot?
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive26 Jun 2006, 21:09
^ Are you being paid to write that or are you a complete idiot? Are you refering to Balloon? Albeit a troll in his other posts he is completely correct on his facts in THIS thread.
OutlawIncarnateSalvaged from archive26 Jun 2006, 22:24
Ya, I'm actually pleasantly surprised.
tgd_02Salvaged from archive27 Jun 2006, 09:38
if ballon hadnt made a total retart of himself in other toics in this room, id actually take time to read his "eloquent" responce, nothing against the "truth" that he may have, just that hes so full of useless waste and utter bullshit, whod take him seriously now?
wordSalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 09:01
9/11 was an inside job for sure. Here's an even more convincing documentary called 9/11 Mysteries: Demolitions http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512… many more excellent documentaries listed here: www.universalseed.org
Big OzzieSalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 09:15
OMFG....What Nut case Bumped this stupid thread back to life? Ya wanna know a worse conspiracy? Did you know that the makers of EX-LAX (the Laxative) also have holdings in a Toilet Tissue Company? Now THAT is a conspiracy!
wordSalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 09:17
@balloonknott according to your theory, either 1 of the 2 WTC Towers would need around 90 seconds to collapse. That's thanks to floor resistance slowing down the collapse. See graph below. This is also the official "pancake" theory: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/911/WTC… Sadly, each tower took only a maximum of 16 seconds to completely collapse. Go ahead and time it for yourself. That's really really close to free-fall speed. Guess again.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 17:32
:roll: heard all arguments 10000000000000000000000000000000000.1 times already no hard proof that US government planned the attack(documents...someone admiting it was planned..etc) >> end of story <<
PASalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 17:36
@balloonknott according to your theory, either 1 of the 2 WTC Towers would need around 90 seconds to collapse. That's thanks to floor resistance slowing down the collapse. See graph below. This is also the official "pancake" theory: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/911/WTC… Sadly, each tower took only a maximum of 16 seconds to completely collapse. Go ahead and time it for yourself. That's really really close to free-fall speed. Guess again. said. done. over. 8) Wanna know a real conspiracy? ............... iPod :wink:
hunsrusSalvaged from archive13 Jan 2007, 15:30
Yes, 9/11 was planned. Planned and executed by Al Qaeda. The conspiracy theorists need to get a life. :roll: :roll:
The JokerSalvaged from archive15 Jan 2007, 02:00
You guys are all crazy...it was planned and you wanna know who did it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFhDIm48a_4
ChebSalvaged from archive15 Jan 2007, 02:16
:) hahaha South Park, love em and hate em at the same time.
The JokerSalvaged from archive15 Jan 2007, 03:15
Nope...found out more....it was the government..see for yourself! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfurtEggwXw
jabaSalvaged from archive15 Jan 2007, 03:30
Nah! - Joker that vid is a fake lol! :wink:
Cymru am bythSalvaged from archive15 Jan 2007, 03:59
Nah! - Joker that vid is a fake lol! :wink: no it's real....... it's got to be real, i saw it on t.v :lol:
Clouds in the SkySalvaged from archive7 Feb 2007, 05:37
Let's revive this place ;)
loadrunnerSalvaged from archive7 Feb 2007, 08:15
Yes 9/11 Was planned. only not by the gouvrement, but it was planned by someone else... It wa a big posibility Osama lived in the States for about 2 years before the attacks. If Osama did it just to distroy lives, something else happend. This was just to create fear, and get our soldiers to invade Afganistan. so the battle would take place in the desert. The desert was prepared long before the atacks. Why just not nuke the fuck out of there? oh, it already IS a desert.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive7 Feb 2007, 14:54
prove it :1bluewinky: US couldn't get away with using a Nuke today. I dont think any nation could now that we know how much damage it can cause.
godschildSalvaged from archive13 Mar 2007, 20:55
http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commission… Government Officials who question the official story http://patriotsquestion911.com/professors.html Professors wo question it. it wasn't just either-or and it was at least 25 years in the making. people who run this world on all sides believe that whole region holds the keys to who will run the world for the next hundred years, who eats and who dies. Our officials used our assets and the actions of some who hate us to let the most horrific terrorist act ever committed (barring japan 1945)take place in order to move the American populace into a postion to ensure that our way of life is the one thatt is carried into the next mellinia. "The American Way of Life is NON NEGOTIABLE!" Dick Cheney Will History record these men as criminals or Patriots?
hunsrusSalvaged from archive13 Mar 2007, 21:03
Yes, Yes 9/11 was planned... By Al Qaeda!!! Anyone who's ever fought these fanatic terrorists will say the same. You crackpot conspiracy theorists are all either brainwashed or stupid.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive14 Mar 2007, 22:42
The mastermind behind 9/11 has confessed..... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070315/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_…
!NV!CTUSSalvaged from archive15 Mar 2007, 05:06
i didnt read the whole thread- cause im lazy.. lolz rumor spread here in our counrty that US military knew about 9/11 but bush ordered not to do anything.. cmon guys US is the most advance country. US has people who knows everything about everything..this kind of thing/issue is impossible for them not to know(even just have a lil clue).. anyway some say bush let the 9/11 happen so he can smight other countries so he can rebuilt it-meaning more money to his business..or not.. idk its just a rumor.. ^^
tgd_02Salvaged from archive15 Mar 2007, 09:43
The mastermind behind 9/11 has confessed..... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070315/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_… read this shit too this dude kinda crept up on the news didnt he? so we found the "mastermind" and not osama...hmm and yes i would confess to anything too if my nails were getting ripped small piece by piece and i was slashed with a blunt and oxidated knife---:rolleyes: far as i see it, the administration needed a guilty man, and they found one now to hang him, raise the american flag, and claim "we got him" woopee should be a interesting couple of weeks...
Big OzzieSalvaged from archive15 Mar 2007, 10:25
In my opinion, this miserable Twat had about as much to do with anything that has happened as any other radical, extremist Terrorist! He may have been tortured, don't know. But I am sure that there are other motives for admitting such a thing after so many years. (if he really did admit it...I was not there to hear him) But admitting these acts of terrorism would surely expedite his chance to stand trial, be found guilty and Executed. Thus quickening the steps to him becoming a Martyr and giving more reasons for these Radical Muslim Extremists to commit more acts of Terrorism against the Free world!
BrixtonSalvaged from archive15 Mar 2007, 10:28
What is 9/11? Did I miss something?
godschildSalvaged from archive17 Mar 2007, 16:41
Yes, Yes 9/11 was planned... By Al Qaeda!!! Anyone who's ever fought these fanatic terrorists will say the same. You crackpot conspiracy theorists are all either brainwashed or stupid. well thank god for someone who has fully researched all the available evidence and came to such a well thought out conclusion. well this is all cleared up now. off to bed.
loadrunnerSalvaged from archive17 Mar 2007, 17:55
What is 9/11? Did I miss something? someone else didn't has something to do with Al quida
ecua613Salvaged from archive18 Mar 2007, 23:49
which video is the one that proves a Gov't setup?? i dont feel like looking thru 18 pages lol
BOBBY!Salvaged from archive18 Mar 2007, 23:52
which video is the one that proves a Gov't setup?? i dont feel like looking thru 18 pages lol Don't bother.. If you really want a good perspective watch the south park episode about this issue.. the main point the episode makes is "sooo the government hatched the single most diabolical, horrendous, complex and expensive scheme ever?" I dont let myself care about this anymore.. It happened, it's terrible, its over.
Clouds in the SkySalvaged from archive19 Mar 2007, 00:27
It was Tony's dog who did it.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive26 Mar 2007, 18:23
it was the jews! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com/ :eek:
godschildSalvaged from archive5 Apr 2007, 17:10
it was the jews! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com/ :eek: No way it was the Jews. 9/11 cost money and there ain't a chance in hell the Jews would spend theirs.:)
Clouds in the SkySalvaged from archive5 Apr 2007, 17:16
Hey godschild what up dude~! :p
RaidenatorSalvaged from archive6 Apr 2007, 00:17
I'm going to refer you guys to a particular article devoted to this very topic. Hope this clears up any misunderstandings. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
UnregisteredSexOffenderSalvaged from archive6 Apr 2007, 02:16
I'm going to refer you guys to a particular article devoted to this very topic. Hope this clears up any misunderstandings. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons :1orglaugh: Here is another classic maddox moment.. This one is (9/11) but with the Titanic. Great stuff saHs6J0OXVI
RaidenatorSalvaged from archive6 Apr 2007, 02:28
:1orglaugh: Here is another classic maddox moment.. This one is (9/11) but with the Titanic. Great stuff saHs6J0OXVI Yeah I just watched that a second ago while getting the link for the 9/11 one. It made me lol. I love his shit.

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