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Palestine and "The Wall of Hate"

1. ChebSalvaged from archive5 Mar 2006, 05:50
   An 8 minute clip that may enlighten some people here. http://www.thewallofhate.org/film/thewall.wmv
2. GrimmancerSalvaged from archive5 Mar 2006, 06:59
   GGood post, good vid, worth seeing... I disagreed with the start of it, I think a wall is a good thing, and I know there is a difference between the berlin wall and this wall, one was made to keep people in the other to keep people out.... that is a big big factor... the water, yes I know that is a major thing, shit your in a desert... and I have said in the past when I mentioned that Palestine should be its own state that waterways have to be shared... So I agreed with the second half, the film even had some real facts!.... it is all one sided and candy coated to make heros and villians... the end well that way just cheesy, with the welcome shit... give me a fucking break... but I guess that many are out there that will just buy into all this and take it all for fact.... some is fact.... the water part is real, that I do know... but the selling point that it tried to get across was far short... and the wall is a good thing.... I love the line, "by the time the wall is completed the number will be tripled" but if the wall was not there the inocent lives taken would have been tripled... This was well made, and holds good facts, but it is biast and because of that, I must trash it as just propaganda... tiss a shame cause they had a good fight, one I would have sided on.... but then they went and discredit themselves.... Good post Cheb
3. ChebSalvaged from archive5 Mar 2006, 07:18
   I dont think it matters what this video is. Whether propaganda or whatever. Labeling is not the point. So you think the water part is true...That alone is causing death and suffering for the Palestinian people. The lives being saved are Israeli lives, but the lives lost are many more Palestinians. THAT is a biased view too. I hate the mentality of 1 of us is worth a million of you. If you cant see the injustice here then you wont see it at all.
4. That DudeSalvaged from archive6 Mar 2006, 08:33
   Weren't the palestinian's put into refugee camps because the neighboring Arab nations refused to take them in after they left Israel? The same nations now using them as propaganda for their "Death to Israel" rhetoric? :o
5. ChebSalvaged from archive6 Mar 2006, 09:59
   Well 70% of Jordanians are originally Palestinians. A large number of Palestinians also went to Lebanon. Arafat and the PLO was actually one of the reasons for the Lebanese Civil War. So Lebanon is not very welcoming now. Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel during Sadat's time. Palestinians were put into refugee camps because Israel put them there. What right do they have to kick them out in the first place? About as much right as they have to cut them off form vital water supplies and so on... And this is not Arab propaganda, Arabs and Muslims already know what is happening, this is for you to know. What was stated in that video was fact. Label it what you want but that wont change.
6. AsymptoteSalvaged from archive6 Mar 2006, 17:20
   And may I add that those refugee camps were bombarded by Israeli missiles.
7. dudeSalvaged from archive23 Sept 2006, 21:57
   [quote="Grimmancer"]GGood post, good vid, worth seeing... I disagreed with the start of it, I think a wall is a good thing, and I know there is a difference between the berlin wall and this wall, one was made to keep people in the other to keep people out.... that is a big big factor... the water, yes I know that is a major thing, shit your in a desert... and I have said in the past when I mentioned that Palestine should be its own state that waterways have to be shared... So I agreed with the second half, the film even had some real facts!.... it is all one sided and candy coated to make heros and villians... the end well that way just cheesy, with the welcome shit... give me a fucking break... but I guess that many are out there that will just buy into all this and take it all for fact.... some is fact.... the water part is real, that I do know... but the selling point that it tried to get across was far short... and the wall is a good thing.... why should the water be shared? almost all of the water is on palestinian land. they built that wall to keep palestinians out of israel, yet israel is steady building settlements. its really sad that israeli settlements can have pools and use palestinian water as much as they want, yet palestinians dont have water for themselves, they have to use recycled israeli water or wait for bottled water. please, do yourself a favor and search google video for peace, propaganda, and the promised land.
8. QuackersSalvaged from archive24 Sept 2006, 07:02
   Tear down the wall, then tear down Israel.
9. crazyjoeSalvaged from archive24 Sept 2006, 14:57
   Tear down the wall, then tear down Israel. Agreed. Israel has only caused problems. The nation being started was total bs. Just because they went under genocide the UN said hey you guys can have you're own religious state and we'll just kick some peeps out of the land n you can have it! They won't mind at all.. :? The whole argument about well we where there first and then they came is total bs. It's like saying the Native Americans deserve to own America since they where here before any Englishmen/Spanishmen came to America.
10. kratosSalvaged from archive24 Sept 2006, 18:25
    Simple solution...The israelis bomb Gaza and shoot every arab they see. Problem solved, permanently. (and every non indian needs to gtfo of North America)
11. dudeSalvaged from archive25 Sept 2006, 18:23
    Simple solution...The israelis bomb Gaza and shoot every arab they see. Problem solved, permanently. (and every non indian needs to gtfo of North America) yah i really dont think that will happen. how bout this other solution. get out of the land thats not yours. land, meaning west bank and gaza. I am not here to preach about israels destruction, thats not going to happen, pending some catastrophic event. israel needs to leave west bank and gaza completely, and by completely, i mean every single settlement that is there. then hopefully there can be peace.
12. tim2xSalvaged from archive25 Sept 2006, 23:24
    (and every non indian needs to gtfo of North America) Oh really? Why? None of the current "first nation" aboriginal's in North America are the first peoples. If you want to get stupid enough to go there, then the Aboriginals here in North America have to leave as well, since when they invaded North America over the land bridge near the beginning of the last ice age, they forced the people that were already here further south, so they had to move to Mexico, Central America, and South America. Good try though.
13. tim2xSalvaged from archive26 Sept 2006, 01:23
    i think he was being sarcastic about it tim. He may have been, and if so, I apologize for my bit, but currently 45 minutes from my home, an aboriginal group has taken over what was previously a developement project after losing a court case, terrorized the community, and now the provincial govt. has purchased that land to the tune of 12 million, let the terrorists continue to occupy the land, which is now PUBLIC government owned, and informed everyone else that we cannot go any where near this area.' A few years ago, another group took over a provincial park, claiming they were unarmed ( most aboriginals in Canada are better armed than our military, I personally know some of the guys involved in the take over, they did have weapons, and stashed em afterwards) where one of the criminals was killed by a police officer, when they tried to run over the cops with a bus. Cop lost his job, and there has been a massive inquiry into it which took a couple of years. So because of this, the terrorist in the other area are still there almost a year later, because our government refuses to remove them. If I lost a court case, got 50 of my caucasian, black, and oriental buddies together, with weapons, took over private property, blockaded public roads, tore down hydro towers, blacking out the local area, I know there would be NO hesitation in removing us. So I might be a bit sensitive on the subject.

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