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WW II Battleship Sailor Tells Obama to Shape Up or Ship Out

1. Echo1Salvaged from archive3 Dec 2009, 20:14
   https://post.uww.edu/owa/attachment.ashx?id=RgAAAACgu6X4m… wDYbkrWfR2YQpN9bmiyl2HrAAABUU4%2fAAA1LDHmWVeORZ0T6 4mI2F0jABGIkVKkAAAJ&attcnt=1&attid0=EAC4E6M90EYVTqQA%2bA62nYKF This venerable and much honored WW II vet is well known in Hawaii for his seventy-plus years of service to patriotic organizations and causes all over the country. A humble man without a political bone in his body, he has never spoken out before about a government official, until now. He dictated this letter to a friend, signed it and mailed it to the president. Dear President Obama, My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don't believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert. I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos'n Mate. Now I live in a "rest home" located on the western end of Pearl Harbor, allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country. One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man. So here goes. I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish. I can't figure out what country you are the president of. You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like: " We're no longer a Christian nation" " America is arrogant" - (Your wife even announced to the world,"America is mean- spirited. " Please tell her to try preaching that nonsense to 23 generations of our war dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny and hopelessness.) I'd say shame on the both of you, but I don't think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House. After 9/11 you said," America hasn't lived up to her ideals." Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn't mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom. I don't think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected. Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man. Shape up and start acting like an American. If you don't, I'll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue. You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves. And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don't want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts, who was putting up a fight? You don't mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don't want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists. One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you're the Commander-in-Chief now, son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you're not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you're thinking of. You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president. You're not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That's not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now. And I sure as hell don't want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle. Sincerely, Harold B. Estes
2. JooXSalvaged from archive3 Dec 2009, 21:13
   Served
3. boo_cockySalvaged from archive3 Dec 2009, 21:18
   That old man is racist...look at how he talked to our black President! :rofl:
4. DC ThugSalvaged from archive3 Dec 2009, 22:25
   that old geezer never wrote that he's prolly drooling in his mush as we speak.
5. Echo1Salvaged from archive3 Dec 2009, 22:44
   whether he said it or not.. you cant argue the fact that all that shit is right. end.
6. DC ThugSalvaged from archive3 Dec 2009, 22:52
   nope can't agree /end
7. Echo1Salvaged from archive3 Dec 2009, 23:00
   so you do think that he should continue to go around the world n be like sorry guys.. we suck. were assholes. were wrong and always were. that the whole fort hood thing was just blown way outta proportion.. and that ACTUAL military personel dont know wtf theyre talkin about when it comes to fighting a war..? aye.. youre right. i quit.
8. DC ThugSalvaged from archive3 Dec 2009, 23:06
   word? i don't have to debate the issue? lewl ok gg, i guess :D
9. yupSalvaged from archive4 Dec 2009, 00:42
   Well lookie it Harold. http://standbyliberty.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/ww2v… http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/haroldestes.asp
10. LTFSalvaged from archive4 Dec 2009, 07:59
    God Bless this man. He is the epitome of why his is called the Greatest Generation. Unfortunately, THAT America no longer exists.
11. boo_cockySalvaged from archive4 Dec 2009, 08:09
    God Bless this man. He is the epitome of why his is called the Greatest Generation. Unfortunately, THAT America no longer exists. I agree with what was written...I don't think it was written by a 95 year old man... I also don't buy into the 'Greatest Generation' tag. Yes, America's a great country...but, the only difference between today's America and yesterday's America was NO ONE was allowed to have a different opinion back then. Brainwashing at it's finest...'Patriotism' is just a pathetic example of 'The Emperor's Clothes'...do what is considered 'Patriotic', or you'll be labelled by McCarthy's good ol' boys club and your life will be made miserable. There was a TON of fucked up shit going on in America back then that is no longer tolerated today. Racism, sexism, prejudice, ignorance...it was widely accepted as 'the way things are' back then, and a lot of innocent people suffered because of it. There is no 'Greatest Generation', imo...a lot of things are better today than they were back then, at the same time, there's a ton of things that were better back then than they are today. With that said...I was very patient with Obama...he wasn't my choice, but I wanted to give the guy a chance. I've grown impatient and I'm not impressed. Everything he's doing regarding the war was predicted before he was even elected, we all knew he'd change his tune once he got enough information on the situation. He's borderline Socialist...and he's very deceitful in how he's going about it. The only thing I agree with him on is healthcare reform, though I'm not convinced his plan is 'the plan'.
12. LTFSalvaged from archive4 Dec 2009, 08:18
    I also don't buy into the 'Greatest Generation' tag. Yes, America's a great country...but, the only difference between today's America and yesterday's America was NO ONE was allowed to have a different opinion back then. Brainwashing at it's finest...'Patriotism' is just a pathetic example of 'The Emperor's Clothes'...do what is considered 'Patriotic', or you'll be labelled by McCarthy's good ol' boys club and your life will be made miserable. There was a TON of fucked up shit going on in America back then that is no longer tolerated today. Racism, sexism, prejudice, ignorance...it was widely accepted as 'the way things are' back then, and a lot of innocent people suffered because of it. There is no 'Greatest Generation', imo...a lot of things are better today than they were back then, at the same time, there's a ton of things that were better back then than they are today. I don't know what world you're living in if you think that is the only difference between our country then, and now. I'm not going to argue over politics. I'd much rather argue over irrelevant stuff in the fight room where I can make jokes about fucking your mother and neg repping you if it makes me laugh (Hi Borro, MXCXII, OFS etc). But I will say this.... Americans back then were proud of their country. Americans back then volunteered in mass numbers when our nation was attacked. Those that stayed behind contributed in the war effort by making drastic sacrifices. Crime was significantly lower, moral standards were higher, God wasn't shunned, etc. Americans today, by and large, are lazy, ignorant, apathetic fools easily manipulated by the mass media, and could not be troubled to make a sacrifice. They have the attention span of a 12 year old with ADD. You made the comment that people were forced to act patriotic (:rolleyes2:) or be shunned. Well, in todays America, people are forced to "celebrate diversity!" and honor all cultures other than the American culture, or they are shunned and labled as racists. Face it... America is turning to shit.
13. boo_cockySalvaged from archive4 Dec 2009, 08:31
    I don't know what world you're living in if you think that is the only difference between our country then, and now. I'm not going to argue over politics. I'd much rather argue over irrelevant stuff in the fight room where I can make jokes about fucking your mother and neg repping you if it makes me laugh (Hi Borro, MXCXII, OFS etc). But I will say this.... Americans back then were proud of their country. Americans back then volunteered in mass numbers when our nation was attacked. Those that stayed behind contributed in the war effort by making drastic sacrifices. Crime was significantly lower, moral standards were higher, God wasn't shunned, etc. Americans today, by and large, are lazy, ignorant, apathetic fools easily manipulated by the mass media, and could not be troubled to make a sacrifice. They have the attention span of a 12 year old with ADD. You made the comment that people were forced to act patriotic (:rolleyes2:) or be shunned. Well, in todays America, people are forced to "celebrate diversity!" and honor all cultures other than the American culture, or they are shunned and labled as racists. Face it... America is turning to shit. I don't disagree with what you're saying, but with every priveledge comes consequence, meaning... Yes, people were very Patriotic back then, and those that chose not to be were labelled as Communists and black listed. Why? Because they had a difference of opinion on Politics? They weren't breaking any laws, but they were still black listed. Nigger was a common word, and a black man automatically had it ten times harder than a white man back then. There's plenty of people around today who fit the 'nigger' label, but that word was used to describe an entire race, not a piece of shit loser. Part of being 'free' is that freedom is only of any value when it is allowed, even though it goes against your belief/opinion. America was built on the separation of Church and State...but, it was basically ignored for over a hundred years. I wouldn't want my child going to school and being taught about Allah, or Buddah, or Judaism, so I can understand why someone doesn't want their kid being taught about Christ. Are you unaware that more people have signed up for military service now than in over 50 years prior? Why? Because of the threat of terrorism. You're probably correct that more people signed up during WW2, but I still consider WW2 a far greater threat than terrorism today...which is why people may have been more 'Patriotic' back then. There's plenty of sacrifices being made today by people donating and volunteering, no one's forcing us to do it. I do agree with you that America has turned into a Politically Correct bitchland. I think minorities should have EQUAL rights, not special priviledges...but, they do. They get handed free rides while the white man has to bust his ass to do it the right way. I think gays should have EQUAL rights, not special priviledges...nothing irritates me more than some flamboyant faggot prancing around on TV, then whining that he's being treated unfairly when his inappropriate behavior is questioned. I think women deserve EQUAL rights, not special priviledges...but, how many women today are pathetic, manipulative cunts who rely on men for everything except when it's convenient for them to make their own decisions? They call men 'pigs' when they look at them as sex objects...yet, they whip their tits out and flash their pussies the minute a camera is pointed at them. Yeah, America has plenty of problems...always has...it's just that we have different problems than we had sixty years ago.
14. QuackersSalvaged from archive4 Dec 2009, 08:54
    The man is a moron. So is LTF and Echo.
15. LTFSalvaged from archive4 Dec 2009, 08:56
    The man is a moron. So is LTF and Echo. Coming from a guy who looks like the ugly Hanson brother and handles his alcohol like a girl. Noted.
16. mousewallratSalvaged from archive4 Dec 2009, 09:31
    I don't know what world you're living in if you think that is the only difference between our country then, and now. I'm not going to argue over politics. I'd much rather argue over irrelevant stuff in the fight room where I can make jokes about fucking your mother and neg repping you if it makes me laugh (Hi Borro, MXCXII, OFS etc). But I will say this.... Americans back then were proud of their country. Americans back then volunteered in mass numbers when our nation was attacked. Those that stayed behind contributed in the war effort by making drastic sacrifices. Crime was significantly lower, moral standards were higher, God wasn't shunned, etc. Americans today, by and large, are lazy, ignorant, apathetic fools easily manipulated by the mass media, and could not be troubled to make a sacrifice. They have the attention span of a 12 year old with ADD. You made the comment that people were forced to act patriotic (:rolleyes2:) or be shunned. Well, in todays America, people are forced to "celebrate diversity!" and honor all cultures other than the American culture, or they are shunned and labled as racists. Face it... America is turning to shit.Word.
17. QuackersSalvaged from archive5 Dec 2009, 01:08
    Summary: Old bloke starts whining about how things are shit now and they were better off in his day (like all old people have done since the dawn of time), and the conservatives think 'damn, this guys a war hero, lets make him our new poster boy to get across cheap political points'. The bits about how America has 'lost God' etc really crack me up though. WHAT A TIT! HAHAHA
18. boo_cockySalvaged from archive5 Dec 2009, 01:25
    Summary: Old bloke starts whining about how things are shit now and they were better off in his day (like all old people have done since the dawn of time), and the conservatives think 'damn, this guys a war hero, lets make him our new poster boy to get across cheap political points'. The bits about how America has 'lost God' etc really crack me up though. WHAT A TIT! HAHAHA You can all laugh...but he's got a point. And, for the 'God' thing...I have a strong belief in God and Christianity...but, I don't think I have any more of a right to force my Christian beliefs on anyone as they do to force their Jewish, Budhist, Muslim, Satanic beliefs on me...or my family. We should all be free to 'discuss' the matter, if all parties are in agreement...but, it shouldn't be forced on anyone who doesn't want any involvement on the topic. Yes, America was founded as a 'Christian' nation...but our Constitution proclaims that everyone is FREE to their beliefs and cultures...end of story. BTW...Jesus Saves! (Don't read this if you don't want to...no American tax dollars were used to fund this post.) :thumb:
19. Echo1Salvaged from archive5 Dec 2009, 16:28
    You can all laugh...but he's got a point. And, for the 'God' thing...I have a strong belief in God and Christianity...but, I don't think I have any more of a right to force my Christian beliefs on anyone as they do to force their Jewish, Budhist, Muslim, Satanic beliefs on me...or my family. We should all be free to 'discuss' the matter, if all parties are in agreement...but, it shouldn't be forced on anyone who doesn't want any involvement on the topic. Yes, America was founded as a 'Christian' nation...but our Constitution proclaims that everyone is FREE to their beliefs and cultures...(unless youre a white, christian, middle class male) end of story. BTW...Jesus Saves! (Don't read this if you don't want to...no American tax dollars were used to fund this post.) :thumb: fixed.
20. Echo1Salvaged from archive5 Dec 2009, 16:32
    Summary: Old bloke starts whining about how things are shit now and they were better off in his day (like all old people have done since the dawn of time), and the conservatives think 'damn, this guys a war hero, lets make him our new poster boy to get across cheap political points'. The bits about how America has 'lost God' etc really crack me up though. WHAT A TIT! HAHAHA you were saying...? http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2009/01/images/o… http://mollymhughes.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/scott-han… http://whorange.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/… http://www.individualsole.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/…
21. Echo1Salvaged from archive5 Dec 2009, 16:35
    wait wait.. im not done. http://obamashirts.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/obama_hope… http://www.greekdaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/aka.jpg http://www.pairodime.com/portfolio/wp-content/obama3_w.jpg http://ahamedia.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/obama-t-shirt…
22. Echo1Salvaged from archive5 Dec 2009, 16:39
    BUT WAIT!! THERES MORE! http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures… http://discountmugs.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/blank-oba… http://www.jamaicans.com/blog/wp-content/obama-merchandis… http://www.watever.com/WateverNews/Obama.Merchandise.jpg if you didnt get it by now.. my point is. 1) youre a faggot 2) you have a tiny penis and C) your mother doesnt love you. so stfu
23. DC ThugSalvaged from archive6 Dec 2009, 00:31
    i get the feeling that you might feel a bit bitter about the events of nov. 4, 2008
24. Echo1Salvaged from archive6 Dec 2009, 09:04
    i wouldnt say its that. you might think i really hate obama. the fact is, i could give a fuck. because any politician is retarded. the thing that annoys me to no end is the fact that we dont have a leader in office right now. we have a celebrity. im sick of stupid niggers thinking obama is the greatest man in the history of anything, and also dealing with stupid black people who think they know politics now because a black man is in office. seeing dumb ass tshirts that depict obama as super man or ones that say 'i run dc' and have a picture of him. its just beyond me. because you never saw this with any other president. and people treat him like a god. what has he done? to set him above the rest.. what? hes black? big fucking deal. it just shows how fucking retarded people are. and liberals try to call conservatives 'sheeple'. maybe they need to take a look in the mirror lately.
25. LTFSalvaged from archive6 Dec 2009, 09:31
    Enjoy this photo of Barrack Obama as a small child, with his white mother. http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/WebPageGifs/WEBPAGEGIFS2/Web… You likely won't find any pictures of a young Obama with his (black) father, because his father left his mother and son when young Obama was just a year old. Obama's father visited his son just one time, when the child was 10 years old. A half black, half white child was raised by his white mother and her side of the family, and abandoned by his black father. He was raised by his middle-class mother and her parents, attending private schools as a child. Take from that what you will.
26. DC ThugSalvaged from archive6 Dec 2009, 11:40
    ruled by celebrity? maybe but it's better than the 8 years of incompetence we had under bush that dude took more vacations than any other president, EVER wartime president, my ass lol
27. PlaneswalkerXSalvaged from archive6 Dec 2009, 14:43
    I love how the guy says we aren't going to save America by bringing the bloated economy. My grandfather used to tell me some of his WWII stories. He tells this one story about a man named Harold Estes. He said Harold was the biggest pussy he had ever come across and Harold got in the fetal position and started crying for his mommy every time they came across the enemy.
28. Echo1Salvaged from archive6 Dec 2009, 18:28
    ruled by celebrity? maybe but it's better than the 8 years of incompetence we had under bush that dude took more vacations than any other president, EVER wartime president, my ass lol ok so now we have at least 4 years of false prophecies, fueled by a following of drooling obamabots whose vocabulary is limited to 'yes we did' 'change' and 'hope'. yay..
29. boo_cockySalvaged from archive6 Dec 2009, 18:32
    i wouldnt say its that. you might think i really hate obama. the fact is, i could give a fuck. because any politician is retarded. the thing that annoys me to no end is the fact that we dont have a leader in office right now. we have a celebrity. im sick of stupid niggers thinking obama is the greatest man in the history of anything, and also dealing with stupid black people who think they know politics now because a black man is in office. seeing dumb ass tshirts that depict obama as super man or ones that say 'i run dc' and have a picture of him. its just beyond me. because you never saw this with any other president. and people treat him like a god. what has he done? to set him above the rest.. what? hes black? big fucking deal. it just shows how fucking retarded people are. and liberals try to call conservatives 'sheeple'. maybe they need to take a look in the mirror lately. What has he done? I'll tell you what he's done...he's sold out the black community by using the race card to get elected. He's half white...raised by his white grandparents in a white community...his black father abandoned him and his mother, so he never had ANY black influence in his life, which is probably why he grew up to be smart and successful. :thumb: If I was a black dude, I'd be fucking pissed off that this white guy is claiming himself black to get elected. But, then again...if I was black, maybe I'd be too stupid to realize that I'm being duped. It can always be worse...atleast he's not half spic. Could you imagine? There would be a national holiday called 'Unemployment Day'. :cool:
30. NanabungaSalvaged from archive7 Dec 2009, 09:52
    My grandfather used to tell me some of his WWII stories. He tells this one story about a man named Harold Estes. He said Harold was the biggest pussy he had ever come across and Harold got in the fetal position and started crying for his mommy every time they came across the enemy. That story would have a lot more going for it if Harold wasn't stationed on a warship, miles off the coast, only possibly catching glimpses of the enemy through field glasses. I expect far better from you in the future.
31. DC ThugSalvaged from archive7 Dec 2009, 12:41
    i bow to your wwii knowledge greatness
32. NanabungaSalvaged from archive7 Dec 2009, 13:16
    i bow to your wwii knowledge greatness Dude like thanks I guess but... the thread title does say "Battleship Sailor" You don't have to be too smart to figure out the closest he ever came to the enemy was fishing a downed Zero pilot out of the Pacific or some shit. :thumb:
33. Echo1Salvaged from archive7 Dec 2009, 16:02
    or jumping outta the way of a kamikaze lol but just because he wasnt up close with the enemy doesnt mean he wasnt in danger. other than the USS cole. what danger have our sailors stationed aboard ships been in lately? certainly not from somali pirates haha
34. NanabungaSalvaged from archive7 Dec 2009, 16:07
    but just because he wasnt up close with the enemy doesnt mean he wasnt in danger. Yeah I know but where did anyone say he wasn't in danger? Besides, don't you fucking joystick jockeys poke fun at sailors? What are you doing coming in here defending this old sea hag. Back in formation.
35. FireballSalvaged from archive7 Dec 2009, 16:10
    Enjoy this photo of Barrack Obama as a small child, with his white mother. http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/WebPageGifs/WEBPAGEGIFS2/Web… Is it just me, or does his head look deformed? Like, his forehead has a huge bump on it or something. Seriously looks like a tumor. What's goin' on there? Haha.
36. NanabungaSalvaged from archive7 Dec 2009, 16:20
    Is it just me, or does his head look deformed? Like, his forehead has a huge bump on it or something. Seriously looks like a tumor. What's goin' on there? Haha. In his early years his mom tried to hide the fact that he was black. That bulge you see is his hidden afro. :omg:
37. usoSalvaged from archive16 Dec 2009, 21:47
    Americans back then were proud of their country. Americans back then volunteered in mass numbers when our nation was attacked. Those that stayed behind contributed in the war effort by making drastic sacrifices. Crime was significantly lower, moral standards were higher Americans today, by and large, are lazy, ignorant, apathetic fools easily manipulated by the mass media, and could not be troubled to make a sacrifice. They have the attention span of a 12 year old with ADD. truth right there

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