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  1. mousewallratSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 16:53
    And you all thought China is so warm and fuzzy towards us. China suspends military exchanges with US Jan 30, 8:25 AM (ET) [/SIZE]By CARA ANNA[/FONT] http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/thumbnails//Taiwan_US_Arm… (http://apnews.myway.com/image/20100129/Taiwan_US_Arms_Sal… l?date=20100130&docid=D9DI36B00)(AP) In this July 20, 2006 photo, a U.S.-made Patriot missile is launched during the annual Han... Full Image (http://apnews.myway.com/image/20100129/Taiwan_US_Arms_Sal… l?date=20100130&docid=D9DI36B00) p {margin:12px 0px 0px 0px;} BEIJING (AP) - China suspended military exchanges with the United States and threatened sanctions against American defense companies Saturday, just hours after Washington announced $6.4 billion in planned arms sales to Taiwan. The development has further strained the complex relations between the two powers, which are increasingly linked by security and economic issues. China's Defense Ministry said the sales to self-governing Taiwan, which the mainland claims as its own, cause "severe harm" to overall U.S.-China cooperation, the state-run Xinhua News Agency reported. The Foreign Ministry threatened sanctions against U.S. companies involved in the arms sales. A spokeswoman for the U.S. Embassy, Susan Stevenson, had no comment on China's actions Saturday. http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/thumbnails//US_Taiwan_Arm… (http://apnews.myway.com/image/20100129/US_Taiwan_Arms_Sal… l?date=20100130&docid=D9DI36B00)(AP) In this Feb. 9, 2007 file, Patriot missiles PAC-3 launchers are seen at the Kadena U.S. Air... Full Image (http://apnews.myway.com/image/20100129/US_Taiwan_Arms_Sal… l?date=20100130&docid=D9DI36B00)Taiwan is the most sensitive topic in U.S.-China relations, and the sales announced Friday could complicate cooperation between the two sides on issues ranging from Iran's nuclear program to the loosening of Internet controls, including a Google-China standoff over censorship. China's Vice Foreign Minister He Yafei warned U.S. Ambassador Jon Huntsman that the sales of Black Hawk helicopters, Patriot Advanced Capability-3 missiles and other weapons to Taiwan would "cause consequences that both sides are unwilling to see," a ministry statement said Saturday. The United States is Taiwan's most important ally and largest arms supplier, and it's bound by law to ensure the island is able to respond to Chinese threats. China responds angrily to any proposed arms sale, however, and it also cut off military ties with the U.S. in 2008 after the former Bush administration announced a multibillion-dollar arms sale to Taiwan. Washington has tried to use military visits to build trust with Beijing and learn more about the aims of its massive military buildup. http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/thumbnails//US_Taiwan_Arm… (http://apnews.myway.com/image/20100129/US_Taiwan_Arms_Sal… l?date=20100130&docid=D9DI36B00)(AP) In this July 18, 2005 file photo, six Alaska Army National Guard UH-60L Black Hawk... Full Image (http://apnews.myway.com/image/20100129/US_Taiwan_Arms_Sal… l?date=20100130&docid=D9DI36B00)Overall ties have been tense as President Barack Obama plans to meet with the Dalai Lama, the exiled spiritual leader of Tibet, this year. It's not known whether the Taiwan arms sale will affect President Hu Jintao's expected visit to the U.S. this year. Experts on China warned Beijing could take further steps to punish the United States to show its newfound power and confidence in world affairs. Jin Canrong, a professor of international studies at China's Renmin University, said the sale would give Beijing a "fair and proper reason" to accelerate weapons testing. China test-fired rockets in recent weeks for an anti-missile defense system in what security experts said was a display of anger at the pending arms sale. "The U.S. will pay a price for this. Starting now, China will make some substantial retaliation, such as reducing cooperation on the North Korea and Iran nuclear issues and anti-terrorism work," Jin added. The latest suspension of military ties should affect planned visits to China by U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Admiral Michael Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff. A visit to the U.S. by the Chinese military's chief of the general staff, Gen. Chen Bingde, could also be called off. The U.S. Congress has 30 days to comment on the newest arms sales before the plan goes forward. Lawmakers traditionally have supported such sales. Though Taiwan's ties with China have warmed considerably since Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou took office 20 months ago, Beijing has threatened to invade if the island ever formalizes its de facto independence. China has more than 1,000 ballistic missiles aimed at Taiwan. Obama's national security adviser, Jim Jones, said in a speech Friday that both Washington and Beijing do things "periodically that may not make everybody completely happy" but that the United States is "bent toward a new relationship with China as a rising power in the world." The arms package dodges a thorny issue: more advanced F-16 fighter jets that Taiwan covets are not included. The Pentagon's decision not to include the fighters and a design plan for diesel submarines - two items Taiwan wants most - "shows that the Obama administration is deeply concerned about China's response," said Wang Kao-cheng, a defense expert at Taipei's Tamkang University. Taiwan's Ma told reporters Saturday that the deal should not anger the mainland because the weapons are defensive, not offensive. "The weapons sale decision will ... allow us to have more confidence and sense of security in developing cross-Strait relations," he said. --- Associated Press writers Foster Klug and Robert Burns in Washington, Charles Hutzler in Beijing and Annie Huang in Taipei contributed to this report. #article { width: 665px; }
  2. QuackersSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 17:14
    And you all thought China is so warm and fuzzy towards us. China suspends military exchanges with US Are you actually a fucking idiot? What did you expect? Try and see something from the other party's point of view for a change. The US sells weapons to what China views as part of it's territory being occupied by an illegal government it dosn't recognise. Whether you agree with their policies toward Taiwan or not you have to respect what their view on the situation is. And you expect them to take that laying down cos it's the big and mighty USA their dealing with and they should toe the line? I don't like the Chinese policy towards Taiwan but you sure as shit can't blame them for getting pissy when the USA is in their eyes supporting an army occupying what they view as their land.
  3. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 17:22
    Chinese sanctions against US arms companies? Sounds pretty damn serious considering the US has an embargo against arms sales to China. What's your point MWR? China does these sort of dummy spits all the time, mostly when a head of state looks like he may talk to the Dalai Lama. Just last week there was a minor one over Google's somewhat lame attempt to take a stand over hacked email accounts and censorship.
  4. QuackersSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 17:24
    The USA must have been expecting a reaction like this anyway, it's not like it's a totally unexpected, irrational ott response.
  5. ceehound619Salvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 17:41
    The USA must have been expecting a reaction like this anyway, it's not like it's a totally unexpected, irrational ott response. there u go making sense again...... u still off yor meds?
  6. mousewallratSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 17:51
    Are you actually a fucking idiot? What did you expect? Try and see something from the other party's point of view for a change. The US sells weapons to what China views as part of it's territory being occupied by an illegal government it dosn't recognise. Whether you agree with their policies toward Taiwan or not you have to respect what their view on the situation is. And you expect them to take that laying down cos it's the big and mighty USA their dealing with and they should toe the line? I don't like the Chinese policy towards Taiwan but you sure as shit can't blame them for getting pissy when the USA is in their eyes supporting an army occupying what they view as their land. Quack, what are you talking about? YOu tell me to respect China's views, yet you don't respect mine. Hippo...hypocreet...hipocreet...now what was that word I'm looking for? Anyway, what the fuck are our arms manufacturers doing business with China for? That's like Russia building parts for our F-22's.
  7. QuackersSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 17:56
    Haha, I respect that they have those views, I don't respect the views in itself. I thought you were smart enough to work out that distinction without me holding your hand. Sorry for overestimating you.
  8. ceehound619Salvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 18:18
    Anyway, what the fuck are our arms manufacturers doing business with China for? because they make money.,..and thats all they care about... lets forget the antiquated belief that governments give a fuck about people or a country as a whole anymore.
  9. SeamusSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 18:36
    The best thing about this Quackers, is that you're fucked too! They hate the English as well. And when they've finished raping you all and have sent ye to work in some gook concentration camp, we will have killed all the Prods over here and Northern Ireland will be ours again.
  10. Echo1Salvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 18:37
    i have to agree with spleen. sellin shit to taiwan is a retard move. period. nothing good can come from that.
  11. mousewallratSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 18:43
    i have to agree with spleen. sellin shit to taiwan is a retard move. period. nothing good can come from that. Nope...nothing good at all, except the freedom of the Taiwanese from Chinese Communist rule.
  12. Echo1Salvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 18:46
    yes. taiwan starting a war with china that we'll have to back. sounds fucking great. because were gonna have to bitch fight anyone from here on out. the policies that keep being set in place on us make our military the biggest fucking joke in the world. examlple a: http://www.military.com/news/article/new-us-air-strategy-…
  13. QuackersSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 19:14
    Nope...nothing good at all, except the freedom of the Taiwanese from Chinese Communist rule. Their already free from Chinese Communist rule. If they didn't get their arms from the US they'd have gotten them elsewhere.
  14. Echo1Salvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 19:14
    Their already free from Chinese Communist rule. If they didn't get their arms from the US they'd have gotten them elsewhere. this. it must be ass backward day. thats twice now.
  15. QuackersSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 19:40
    At the end of the day China is a nuclear power with the largest army in the world. This $6.4 worth of arms ain't what's stopping China from reclaiming Taiwan anyway, it's the rest of the worlds reaction. These guns the US are selling them ain't gonna make much of a difference if China does choose to invade anyway. The US selling them the guns is a hollow gesture that they knew would piss off China.
  16. JooXSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 20:28
    Just when I thought your tin-hat was on the hook again. Tch tch, MWR. Tch Tch. If there was just the one tree in a field you had to bark up... you'd still pick the wrong one.
  17. mousewallratSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 20:35
    Just when I thought your tin-hat was on the hook again. Tch tch, MWR. Tch Tch. If there was just the one tree in a field you had to bark up... you'd still pick the wrong one. I could be crazy...but I could also be right.
  18. JooXSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 20:38
    And I could be Napoleon.
  19. Echo1Salvaged from archive31 Jan 2010, 20:39
    right about what? i highly doubt anyone here thinks china is on good terms with the US.
  20. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive1 Feb 2010, 05:00
    because they make money.,..and thats all they care about... lets forget the antiquated belief that governments give a fuck about people or a country as a whole anymore. Quack, what are you talking about? YOu tell me to respect China's views, yet you don't respect mine. Hippo...hypocreet...hipocreet...now what was that word I'm looking for? Anyway, what the fuck are our arms manufacturers doing business with China for? That's like Russia building parts for our F-22's.They are not. There's been a US embargo on arms sales to China for twenty-one years now. US State Department - Policy - Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/embargoed_countries/index.html) Country Policies and Embargoes China (PR) June 7, 1989 54 FR 24539 (http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/FR/1989/54FR24539.pdf) (PDF, 64KB) Department of State Suspension Notice July 22, 1993 58 FR 39280 (http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/FR/1993/58FR39280.pdf) (PDF, 7.1MB) Amendment to ITAR §126.1Mousewall, please get a clue before you start in on subjects you are woefully uninformed about. Two fateful things happened in 1989: * The Chinese government's crackdown on pro-democracy protesters where many were killed. * Somewhere, in the worst trailer in a park deep in the sticks, a condom broke. :p
  21. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive1 Feb 2010, 08:01
    Our government made this bed, and now we're all going to have to lay in it. Everybody votes for the candidate that promises them the most instead of trying to figure out how to do it ourselves or at the state level. Now we're so damn dependent on China, because we owe them more money than most countries have in GDP. That's only part of the problem though. Our founding fathers thought that the US should lead by example, and not by influence. In other words, we were supposed to be a friend to all nations, but not necessarily an ally or an adversary unless it was absolutely necessary. We've taken such a vested interest in so many parts of the world while trying to, "spread democracy", that we've created enemies where it isn't needed. It's one thing to have empathy for Israel or Taiwan, but we get way more involved than I personally feel we need to. People forget that the first time we got involved in Iraq was because they were fucking with Kuwait. I didn't like Saddam any more than the next guy, but still don't understand why that had to involve us. The USA was supposed to be a beacon of light, not the world police.
  22. AfronaughtSalvaged from archive1 Feb 2010, 08:40
    Hmmm... China Suspends Military Exchanges with the us... Of course they will... they Have their H8 Bomber now thanks to the US Selling them the B2 Technical data. The dont need any more Military exhange now that they have a Nuclear capable stealth bomber.
  23. mousewallratSalvaged from archive1 Feb 2010, 09:14
    They are not. There's been a US embargo on arms sales to China for twenty-one years now. US State Department - Policy - Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/embargoed_countries/index.html) Mousewall, please get a clue before you start in on subjects you are woefully uninformed about. Two fateful things happened in 1989: * The Chinese government's crackdown on pro-democracy protesters where many were killed. * Somewhere, in the worst trailer in a park deep in the sticks, a condom broke. :p Yes, I'm aware of the first. I was leaving China going into Pakistan about the time that happened. Second, I already know all about PWX.

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