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Gay Rights Legislation

1. UncoverRealitySalvaged from archive9 Jan 2007, 09:52
   From the BBC: Religious groups are to protest outside UK Parliament against gay rights legislation being debated by the Lords today The regulations being debated, already in force in Northern Ireland, would ban discrimination in the provision of goods, facilities and services on the basis of sexuality. Protesters say the Sexual Orientation Regulations would limit their right to live according to their religious beliefs. But gay rights group OutRage! accused religious leaders of "scaremongering". For example, (in simple terms)....if a gay couple turned up at a B&B, they could not be refused a room on the basis of their sexuality under this new legislation. These are the questions being asked by the BBC: Do you feel that your religious freedoms would be compromised by the proposed regulations? Is it right for a state to pass laws that go against people's religious beliefs? (Just for the record, I think this legislation is a good thing) Anyone have any views on this subject??
2. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive9 Jan 2007, 10:33
   Hmm, well I don't feel that the government is necessarily against religious groups, I think they don't care about religious opinions. They're more concerned with the rights of some puffs, however the example you used (refusing a gay couple board because they are gay) is clearly a violation of their Civil Rights. Then again this is the UK we're talking about so they probably don't have those. It depends on what right they're giving gays. if it's to give them the same pleasure the rest of the world has thats ok, cause they're still human, but its the special treatment that burns my brownies. Now how does it work if you're a minister and refuse to do gay civil ceremonies? I can understand the religious side of that.
3. scrape98Salvaged from archive9 Jan 2007, 11:13
   you shouldnt be gay and you wont have this problem. j/k btw. i personally think homosexuality is wrong and gross (unless both women are hot :) ), but i cant judge you only one being can do that. it should be your choice as to what you believe and what your sexual preference is and, the government and church should stay out of it. in some ways the world is too tolerant, but in other ways its not tolerant enough. i also hate when christians (which is what my beliefs are based on) go holding protests against gays and condeming them. if you want to convert ppl to your religion and beliefs, bashing them and telling them theyre gonna burn in hell isnt the way to do it. accept them for who they are and let god do the rest. he is the only one who can make them realize they need to change their ways, not another human being. i used to strongly dislike gay ppl, and really dont know why. after i met a couple of gay ppl and realized they were pretty much regular ppl like myself, they just dont like the opposite sex in a sexual way, and theyre very fashion aware. then my perception changed soon after.
4. UncoverRealitySalvaged from archive9 Jan 2007, 11:14
   (refusing a gay couple board because they are gay) is clearly a violation of their Civil Rights. . I could be wrong, but unless this legislation comes in.....the B&B would currently be entitled to refuse entry based on sexuality. Hard to believe!
5. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive9 Jan 2007, 12:08
   (refusing a gay couple board because they are gay) is clearly a violation of their Civil Rights. . I could be wrong, but unless this legislation comes in.....the B&B would currently be entitled to refuse entry based on sexuality. Hard to believe! Based on Sexuality? Don't you mean "Sexual Preference"? I am not Homophobic and have several friends that happen to be Gay/Lesbians, BUT I believe that a B&B (Bed and Breakfast) does not and should not come under government regulations or laws controlling Hotels and Motels. A B&B is a Private Home that is opening it's rooms to travelers with reservations. I believe (as I was told) that Motels are required to stay open at night as long as they have a vacancy. A B&B does not have to answer at night. There are many B&B's that are listed in Religious Directories as Faith Based Homes...which would discriminate on a basis of Sexual or Religious Preference. I think that they should be allowed to discriminate however they wish. A Hotel/Motel can not except for Minors
6. ColziSalvaged from archive9 Jan 2007, 12:40
   Majority of B&B would take in anyways, some, a small small minority of owners will be homophobic and would prefer u slept elsewere however 100% need the money so would let u in. Suppose its princable ie that they could of been stopped and a few from millions of peeps were turned away. But its really not an issue, i could walk into say 100 motels /hotels and be given a room in each one no probs!
7. Clouds in the SkySalvaged from archive9 Jan 2007, 12:45
   IMO, your sexual preference shouldn't be an issue with anything. As long as both parties are willing (this goes for heterosexuals as well) there shouldn't be an issue. People need to wake up and accept that we are evolving as a society. 'Cause we need all the evolving we can get kids.
8. QuackersSalvaged from archive9 Jan 2007, 15:25
   Homophobia is on par with Racism imo... The church/religions are still incredibly homophobic, fuck them, they gotta change before they need their opinions listened to.
9. DandruffBGoneSalvaged from archive9 Jan 2007, 16:46
   Quick reply. No time to think about this subject in depth. I feel that peoples' sexuality is none of my business. What I don't like, under any circumstances, is to be told how to FEEL about any subject. My homosexual friends held a gay wedding at their place a while back, and decorated the lawn with my potted shrubs, archway ,fairy lights, garden lighting. It was beautiful. Gay weddings are legal here. That's all I have time for. Bye guys.
10. MonstermashSalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 02:53
    Religous people are stuck in the dark times (not all of them) but a significant number want to ram religion down other peoples throats, that's not the way to convert people to your faith.
11. jabaSalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 03:14
    OMG think of the bed linen! :mrgreen:
12. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 08:50
    Religious people are stuck in the dark times (not all of them) but a significant number want to ram religion down other peoples throats, that's not the way to convert people to your faith. This is True Monster...but at the same time, these people should have the right to refuse entry into their private home to whom ever they wish. A Gay couple should also have the respect not to insist on staying in a private home where they are not welcome. If a B&B was run by the KKK...would you expect that they should allow a Black couple to stay there? The same with one run by the NAACP...would they host a couple from a KKK Convention or Rally? I feel that in a private home (which a B&B is), the owner or person running the operation should be allowed to discriminate against who ever they wish, for whatever reason. Regardless of whether you or I feel it is right or wrong. A Motel or Hotel falls more in line with a public restaurant. They can not refuse service based on color, sex or sexual preference.
13. Snuff.Salvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 09:14
    Total thumbsup to Ozzie, here. He's hit the nail on the head. I'm as liberal as they come - but this is a many-forked road that we're venturing down.
14. Clouds in the SkySalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 09:34
    Religious people are stuck in the dark times (not all of them) but a significant number want to ram religion down other peoples throats, that's not the way to convert people to your faith. This is True Monster...but at the same time, these people should have the right to refuse entry into their private home to whom ever they wish. A Gay couple should also have the respect not to insist on staying in a private home where they are not welcome. If a B&B was run by the KKK...would you expect that they should allow a Black couple to stay there? The same with one run by the NAACP...would they host a couple from a KKK Convention or Rally? I feel that in a private home (which a B&B is), the owner or person running the operation should be allowed to discriminate against who ever they wish, for whatever reason. Regardless of whether you or I feel it is right or wrong. A Motel or Hotel falls more in line with a public restaurant. They can not refuse service based on color, sex or sexual preference. I absolutely aknowledge that as well, but as I said...we're in deep need to evolve.
15. DandruffBGoneSalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 09:43
    Religious people are stuck in the dark times (not all of them) but a significant number want to ram religion down other peoples throats, that's not the way to convert people to your faith. This is True Monster...but at the same time, these people should have the right to refuse entry into their private home to whom ever they wish. A Gay couple should also have the respect not to insist on staying in a private home where they are not welcome. If a B&B was run by the KKK...would you expect that they should allow a Black couple to stay there? The same with one run by the NAACP...would they host a couple from a KKK Convention or Rally? I feel that in a private home (which a B&B is), the owner or person running the operation should be allowed to discriminate against who ever they wish, for whatever reason. Regardless of whether you or I feel it is right or wrong. A Motel or Hotel falls more in line with a public restaurant. They can not refuse service based on color, sex or sexual preference. I absolutely aknowledge that as well, but as I said...we're in deep need to evolve. You mean everyone should feel the way you do about this subject?
16. cheesechoreSalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 12:43
    Being an owner operator of a computer and electronics service center, I reserve the right to refuse service to whomever I choose. I have enforced this rule hundreds of times over the years, but not to the group of people that you speak of, mostly to teenage boys bringing in monster watt car amplifiers. They as a whole always seem to overdrive these amplifiers with multiple parallel low impedance speakers and undersized power wires and also have a knack at reversing polarity. So I no longer accept any items brought in by that age group... is that racist or prejudice? I am whole heartedly pre-judging a group of people based on a few bad experiences and monetary loss. Monetary loss is a key phrase here and I also believe it may be a driving factor in some of this debate, aside from the fact that these individuals want recognition of their solidarity but they also demand the tax and insurance benefits that of a married heterosexual couple, simply put if two male roommates one with employer provided health insurance and the other without could get "married" then both would be covered at a very reduced rate. Also compare this; In the USA you are taxed more heavily by the IRS when single, you are assessed a higher car insurance premium if you are single, you are overlooked by some job opportunities if you are single, this list goes on and on. The economics of this could be more than our economy could handle. Billionaire shysters would not be able to fund their off shore savings, or afford seven summer homes in 7 countries if I were to marry a platonic buddy and save over a $1000 a month in insurance premiums - which by the way I pay $1250 a month as a single self employed father. A good single friend of mine pays $80 a month for complete insurance coverage and it would only go up to $120 a month for a family of unlimited dependents. Just a thought, I could be wrong. ps my avatar is me
17. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 12:58
    Good post, Cheesechore. Wish you would post and join in more often. You just changed your avatar, didn't you?
18. Clouds in the SkySalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 13:25
    Religious people are stuck in the dark times (not all of them) but a significant number want to ram religion down other peoples throats, that's not the way to convert people to your faith. This is True Monster...but at the same time, these people should have the right to refuse entry into their private home to whom ever they wish. A Gay couple should also have the respect not to insist on staying in a private home where they are not welcome. If a B&B was run by the KKK...would you expect that they should allow a Black couple to stay there? The same with one run by the NAACP...would they host a couple from a KKK Convention or Rally? I feel that in a private home (which a B&B is), the owner or person running the operation should be allowed to discriminate against who ever they wish, for whatever reason. Regardless of whether you or I feel it is right or wrong. A Motel or Hotel falls more in line with a public restaurant. They can not refuse service based on color, sex or sexual preference. I absolutely aknowledge that as well, but as I said...we're in deep need to evolve. You mean everyone should feel the way you do about this subject? Nope, that's not what I'm saying, if they want to feel that way that's absolutely fine with me, although it doesn't mean that I will agree with it and that I don't feel that we do indeed need to evolve. I'm sorry that I haven't made myself clear enough...
19. DandruffBGoneSalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 17:28
    Thank you for clarification Clouds.
20. Clouds in the SkySalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 17:45
    Ummm, I sensing some tension...(I might be wrong) I wasn't attempting to sound "bitchy" with my comment.. :? .
21. DandruffBGoneSalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 17:48
    Ummm, I sensing some tension...(I might be wrong) I wasn't attempting to sound "bitchy" with my comment.. :? . No tension Clouds. I was in the library and had only a few seconds left. :lol:
22. Clouds in the SkySalvaged from archive10 Jan 2007, 18:06
    Phew, OK! hehehe :P I almost got scared and started feeling all bad there for a moment hehe! :lol:
23. cheesechoreSalvaged from archive14 Jan 2007, 08:56
    Good post, Cheesechore. Wish you would post and join in more often. You just changed your avatar, didn't you? Thanks Big Ozzie, I try to be on the pragmatic but also fun side. Kinda of embarrassed of my login name which is based on my home state and the fact that a good buddy sold his sole for a piece of crack and a tuff of choreboy. Don't mean to derail the thread but that seems to be the ticket around these parts, I belong to a lot of technical forums and always seem to come back here for some comeuppance.

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