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Ers
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Mar 2006, 08:52 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Wich is the most stupid? The weapon hater or the weapon lover? And with weapons I don't mean sport weapons or weapons for killing animals, but weapons that are designed to kill human beeings. |
Cheb
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Mar 2006, 08:58 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Neither, but so long as the devil is around us they are a necessary evil. |
Overlord
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Mar 2006, 11:39 · [Salvaged from Archive]
lol I'm the only vote for Lover! |
tgd_02
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Mar 2006, 17:01 · [Salvaged from Archive]
when humans cease to exist, weapons will banish with us... |
Ers
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Mar 2006, 17:37 · [Salvaged from Archive]
"Neither, but so long as the devil is around us they are a necessary evil"
With devil you mean fear? Think about it... Wouldn't you feel safer in a world where weapons were not allowed?
"lol I'm the only vote for Lover!"
Take Grimm here, I'm sure he will vote weapon lover... A child is walking to the shool... a mine... KABOOOM!
"when humans cease to exist, weapons will banish with us..."
Or we can kill weapons first. You know how hard it is to produce weapons ilegal? Even if there is a black marked for weapons, it is almost impossible to create them without notice! Take Irans Nuclear weapons for example... and we don't even live in that country!!! It is REALY hard to control an advanced factory ilegally EVEN if there is a black marked. |
Overlord
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Mar 2006, 22:00 · [Salvaged from Archive]
As long as organic matter exists it will compete with other living matter for the limited resources. Plants have poisons and out-grown their surrounding plants with a height advantage. Insects war each other for their territory. Bird, Reptiles, Mammals, we all compete for the same piece of planet earth. Guns, teeth, bats, nukes, whatever the weapons it all comes down to the haves and haves nots on who survives.
Embrace the real world Ers. You need weapons to survive, from the elements, nature, the animals and each other. |
crazyjoe
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Mar 2006, 22:34 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I'd hate to say it but we need weapons. Every weapon that is used to hunt animals is a weapon that can be used against other human beings. The rock was not a weapon until humans used it against each other. You cannot undo weapons. Weapons keep peace and disturb peace at the same time. But most of the time it keeps peace - so I say weapons are ok. |
__BLAK__
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Mar 2006, 02:39 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I'd hate to say it but we need weapons. Every weapon that is used to hunt animals is a weapon that can be used against other human beings. The rock was not a weapon until humans used it against each other. You cannot undo weapons. Weapons keep peace and disturb peace at the same time. But most of the time it keeps peace - so I say weapons are ok.
True... But development of Weapons of Mass Destruction(which were never found in Iraq) and tension build up in the middle east and around the world could utimatley cause complete destrcution if one country decides to set one of those weapons . And you can't find all the plants designed to make nuclear weapons in the world... impossible. |
Grimmancer
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Mar 2006, 03:01 · [Salvaged from Archive]
A hammer is a tool.. yes? what can a hammer do? it can build, but it can also destroy weapons are tool it is humans that kill and destroy. I collect swords, and many other midevil weapons, I remember my parents coming to visit and worried cause my son was 4 at the time, and it was the summer right before 9/11 I was out of the Marines (before I went back in after 9/11 and was in afgan opie fields by 02) but anyway they were worried cause my son was there ... and I got knives, dagger, swords all in reach from any point in my house... yes I love them! but really anywhere in my house i can reach a sharp object... but I told them "Alex knows what they are, i taught him from the start that a sword is only a tool, not a toy, and a tool serves a purpose, some tools can serve more than one but a sword is a tool to kill another human, never bring a sword unless you plan to kill or be killed... My son now is 9, just turned, and he has a healthy respect for weapons, their uses and for human life. Weapons in the right hands can bring peace, in the wrong hands will bring war... weapons are tools used by humans it is not the weapons but the people that need to be checked, and thanks to the US many of them are being checked... |
Grimmancer
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Mar 2006, 03:02 · [Salvaged from Archive]
OH and you know I voted pro weapons ;) |
That Dude
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Mar 2006, 03:09 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I don't feel weapon haters are stupid, but I feel that many are misguided. Almost all of the anti-weapon people I know advocate total abolishment of all weapons - this is stupid and just cannot work.
Kids who don't know a single blessed thing about a gun are the ones who are most likely to pull one out, play cowboys and indians with a few friends, and accidentally blow his classmate's brains out through his ear.
As Grimmancer demonstrated, a kid who's been taught from an early age the use and danger of weapons, and the proper handling techniques of each tool, are the ones most likely to grow up to be responsible and trustworthy around dangerous objects.
Those who would use these tools in the wrong manner on innocents even with the instruction are those who would have killed, accidentally or not, no matter what happened.
Banning all guns is stupid. Why? Because then only outlaws and criminals would have guns. They don't necessarily follow the rules, and the citizens would have no defense against an assailant with a handgun.
There is an interesting story that I heard of a guy in his car, waiting at a stoplight. All of a sudden, someone wants to carjack him and starts firing into his window. Thinking fast, the driver pulls out his handgun from under his seat and cocks it, and the would-be carjacker freaks out and runs at the first shot back.
Funnily enough, one of my anti-gun friends thought that the driver was at fault for "endangering the lives of everyone around him."
Odd.
BTW I'm voting "Weapon Lover" because I'm assuming that we're voting who we are. |
Cheb
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Mar 2006, 04:33 · [Salvaged from Archive]
"Neither, but so long as the devil is around us they are a necessary evil"
With devil you mean fear? Think about it... Wouldn't you feel safer in a world where weapons were not allowed?
Actually I did not mean "fear" when I said devil. I literally meant devil lol. Anyway in other peoples' terms you can say I also meant evil when I said devil. See as long as there are evil people out there, weapons will be needed. Let us say we stop producing weapons, do you not think some freak who is bent on world domination will start making weapons again?
See it is not realistic not to have weapons. We need them. So ya, they are a necessary evil. And even if I meant fear to answer your question, no I would not feel safer where a weapon is not allowed, or illegal as I think you are suggesting. What makes you think anyone who would kill a person would give a crap about the law. So I would actually feel safer with a weapon of my own.
"lol I'm the only vote for Lover!"
Take Grimm here, I'm sure he will vote weapon lover... A child is walking to the shool... a mine... KABOOOM!
"when humans cease to exist, weapons will banish with us..."
Or we can kill weapons first. You know how hard it is to produce weapons ilegal? Even if there is a black marked for weapons, it is almost impossible to create them without notice! Take Irans Nuclear weapons for example... and we don't even live in that country!!! It is REALY hard to control an advanced factory ilegally EVEN if there is a black marked.
So let us say that someone was "noticed" making weapons, what are we going to do? Spank him and tell him not to do it again?
You need to be realistic Ers, weapons are needed! |
Grimmancer
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Mar 2006, 04:54 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I knew peanut butter would stop me from talking... but damn ity is almost stopping my from typing.... I went a bit crazy with the peanut butter I guess.... |
Ers
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Mar 2006, 07:16 · [Salvaged from Archive]
First of! I explained in the first post that with weapons I meant weapons that is designed to kill, not hammers or stones. I will edit the first post and make this extra clear.
I can't reply to your post Overlord because I have a fundamental opinion that human beeings stand over nature and have a greater intrinsic value than animals. So I can only talk for the humans.
"Every weapon that is used to hunt animals is a weapon that can be used against other human beings"
Policemen, hunters, sport shooters, and so on should be allowed to have weapons! BUT they have to go through an even harder health examination and education then Grimms son.
"My son now is 9, just turned, and he has a healthy respect for weapons, their uses and for human life"
I bet he have... But what about all the people that are unlucky to grow up in a family with bad parents?
"Weapons in the right hands can bring peace"
NEVER! A hug can bring peace. A weapon can just scare people until they are strong enough to fight back.
"Because then only outlaws and criminals would have guns"
Read my previous post.
"and the citizens would have no defense against an assailant with a handgun"
We will not have an army but we will still have an police force with stunguns, pepperspray, rubberballs and even real weapons in REAL danger. But the aim is to help him!
"See as long as there are evil people out there, weapons will be needed"
I don't belive in evil people. I belive that the one thing people have in common is fear. And in a world were people dosen't have to worry about weapons... that's a good world. I will explain deeper if you ask me: but a man that stabs 3 girls to death after he has raped them, isn't he evil. |
Overlord
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Mar 2006, 12:44 · [Salvaged from Archive]
First of! I explained in the first post that with weapons I meant weapons that is designed to kill, not hammers or stones. I will edit the first post and make this extra clear.
I can't reply to your post Overlord because I have a fundamental opinion that human beeings stand over nature and have a greater intrinsic value than animals. So I can only talk for the humans.
"Every weapon that is used to hunt animals is a weapon that can be used against other human beings"
Policemen, hunters, sport shooters, and so on should be allowed to have weapons! BUT they have to go through an even harder health examination and education then Grimms son.
"My son now is 9, just turned, and he has a healthy respect for weapons, their uses and for human life"
I bet he have... But what about all the people that are unlucky to grow up in a family with bad parents?
"Weapons in the right hands can bring peace"
NEVER! A hug can bring peace. A weapon can just scare people until they are strong enough to fight back.
"Because then only outlaws and criminals would have guns"
Read my previous post.
"and the citizens would have no defense against an assailant with a handgun"
We will not have an army but we will still have an police force with stunguns, pepperspray, rubberballs and even real weapons in REAL danger. But the aim is to help him!
"See as long as there are evil people out there, weapons will be needed"
I don't belive in evil people. I belive that the one thing people have in common is fear. And in a world were people dosen't have to worry about weapons... that's a good world. I will explain deeper if you ask me: but a man that stabs 3 girls to death after he has raped them, isn't he evil.
I hope you'll listen to me on this Ers because I finally figured out what the hell you're talking about. You don't believe in Good and Evil. You don't believe in God. You don't believe in any absolutes. THis works philisophically but not in reality.
Let me draw you a picture. A man grows up, in fear, with a bad childhood. He's going to hurt other people for whatever reason. You live next door and you have a child. Now, when he finally lose his control on himself, out of fear pretend, and he comes over to rape you, stab you to death and kill your child for whatever reason in his mind. You will not be simply content to allow it to happen because you feel sorry for him. No, he is an animal, just like you are an animal. Some brains function better than others, we are not all created the same. Unfortunately, when one person's brain disfunctions you will need some sort of weapon to protect yourself from that disfuncitonal one. The police are not everywhere at any time.
You can't hug a rapist and fix him. You may not be able to ever fix him. You may just have to kill him to protect you and your loved ones. You're ideas are naive. The don't work in real life. You can't save everyone. You can't help everyone. At some point you're going to have to choose to help yourself instead of allowing yourself to be victimized by someone else. That's a fact of life. It seems jaded and negative but that's the world. Blame God, 18 million years of evolution, yourself or me.
I'm also mildly concerned that you don't totally grasp english and the meanings behind some of the words I'm using because you're like a veil that no one else can penetrate. You don't appear to listen or reason because I've said all this before. |
Ers
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Mar 2006, 18:14 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Overlord, don't blame me for not listening! My english is terrible! I hate my english because it sucks! But I'm checking 3 dictionary sites on internet and am trying my best! I try to answer everything, but it isn't exactly Gandhis I'm discussing with so it is so many against me... Hard to answer everything. BTW I'm glad you figured out what I mean, it makes it much easier! So I hope you excuse my english and if I don't express myself clearly. And I hope I answer EVERYTHING this time.
"You don't believe in Good and Evil"
You are both right and wrong. I absolutley do not belive in good and evil humans... Our core is the same. BUT I DO belive in good and evil opinions!
"You don't believe in God"
Absolutley not... If gOD created earth, who created gOD?
"THis works philisophically but not in reality"
My opinions is almost the same as Gandhi's... It worked EXTREMLY well for him. And it seems to work for me to.
"Let me draw you a picture. A man grows up, in fear, with a bad childhood. He's going to hurt other people for whatever reason. You live next door and you have a child. Now, when he finally lose his control on himself, out of fear pretend, and he comes over to rape you, stab you to death and kill your child for whatever reason in his mind. You will not be simply content to allow it to happen because you feel sorry for him"
He has the same core as me, you, your mother, Bush and so on. But if his father hit and raped him a hundred times he will create a shell around him with BAD opinions that it is ok to hit and rape and eventually he will use theese metods in the "fear war". To dig in to the core and change his shell can be realy hard. It will take more than one hug, maybe a thousand (a hug is just a symbol for what I mean). But the worst thing you can do is to freeze him out, then maybe you will be a victim. People will be killed while we fight us out of this evil circle created by weapons and parents with bad shells, but it is better than if we stay in the circle and many more people get killed or a nuclear war breaks loose. I can explain this deeper if you ask questions.
"You will not be simply content to allow it to happen because you feel sorry for him"
With his childhood i feel REALLY sorry for him and see it as my and your duty to help him. I do not see him as a freak.
"No, he is an animal, just like you are an animal"
I know human beeings counts as animals, but I see humans much more valuable then other animals.
"we are not all created the same"
The core? Or do you belive in good and evil humans? Than you have a even bigger reason to help them that have had the bad luck to be born evil.
"The don't work in real life"
HA!? They work for Gandhi and for me... Much talk about Gandhi, but he deserves it!
"You can't save everyone"
If I kill him to save me I have saved 50%. If I "fix" him, makes him my friend, show him the real world, explain to him that if you are nice to another human he/she will be nice to you... Then I have saved 100%. |
Overlord
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Mar 2006, 22:32 · [Salvaged from Archive]
No, I believe in good and evil people. Most venture back and forth from one side to the other but occasionally you will find a person is mostly evil. Those kinds of people are basically a threat against the rest.
I believe in a society made of laws. You break the laws, you bear the responsibility of suffering the punishment.
Gandi believed in forces that were evil. Oppresion, fear, hate and his responses were non violent but still opposing the evil. You are not saying the same thing.
For instance in your scenario:"If I kill him to save me I have saved 50%. If I "fix" him, makes him my friend, show him the real world, explain to him that if you are nice to another human he/she will be nice to you... Then I have saved 100%."
I disagree with your reasoning and your prediction that Ghandi would do the same. Instead I think should you do nothing your negligence would result in the death of you and your child. That's saving 33% and only the aggessor. Of course by allowing him to ravage you without any resistance he's also more likely to go hurt other people which actually makes you part of the problem.
No instead to stop him, or shoot him you kill the aggessor and protect yourself, your innocent child and future possible victims. There will be pain and death, but by your inaction you choose which life will end. The victims or the aggressors. See with weapons you equalize the playing field.
Without guns we will simply revert to primitive weapons. I will have a knife you will have your bare hands. I will win should I decide to hurt you. The marvel of guns and ballistic weapontry is that it doesn't matter your size or weight to defend yourself. It's acutally like nuclear weapons in the sense that because anyone could shoot you, it becomes a deterrent in itself.
I would rather live in a city where every single citizen carries a handgun because I believe a majority of people are decent. Versus an enviroment where the only people with weapons are the aggressors and the police. You become helpless. |
Grimmancer
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 15 Mar 2006, 02:54 · [Salvaged from Archive]
"The day they take my gun away is the day they pry it out of my dead cold hands"
ERS, buddy, son you are a good person and it is hard for me to tell you this... I hate to say it but you are young and have not yet really opened your eyes. I am glad your beliefs are so strong cause maybe that will carry you through when the pain sets in... you are so far in the clouds than when you do land it might even kill you... Dont worry your english is fine... its better than my swedish might be even better to my english even LOL but really when you do grow up and do get your heads out of the clouds... it will suck cause it will be a painful moment... it always is... but now you said only police should have them...they already do, and so do the crime lords, most crime lords are better armed then the own police... What do you think in outlawing all weapons, would change this? NO it would only mean that now many good honest people are helpless... I will never render myself helpless... |
godschild
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 25 Mar 2006, 16:36 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Weapon hater!!
I love my guns and knives, homemade napalm is awesome and the few times I have gotten a hold of dynamite were some of the best times.
But Ers wanted a talk about Weapons of Mass Destruction.
I understand all the "were animals and its survival" stuff". I understand the view that the world is full of evil people and someone has to fight them. And while these weapons have maintained peace (shaky and unstable) between many nations, it is there original design and intent that I disagree with.
They were all designed to wipe out large masses of populations. It is just a personal viewpoint but I just cannot express the view that it is a "good thing" to intentionally design these weapons.
A good example would be the Anthrax attacks of late 2001. It was found that the anthrax used was a military grade developed in US labs. Now maybe the people behind this project had the best intentions in the world for weoponizing anthrax but in reality it ended up being a "terrorist tool" used against their own citizens.
I would like to see all countries eventually eliminate all WMD's but it will be a slow process. |
crazyjoe
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 25 Mar 2006, 22:54 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I don't think a country will give up it's WMD's. Because eventually someone would still have control of the WMD's and use it to their full advantage. I think it's unrealistic to think that a govenment would say "Ok guys lets get ride of this stuff than can kill thousands instantly". If a country was fighting a war and they where about to loose, wouldnt a nuke sound grand for changing the tide of the war? |
godschild
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 26 Mar 2006, 20:22 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I don't think a country will give up it's WMD's. Because eventually someone would still have control of the WMD's and use it to their full advantage.
I don't think we will give ours up. But isn't our plan to be the only superpower in the world to posses WMD's. This can't happen overnight or even a few years. Right now they provide limited peace between countries that would be in all out war if not for those weapons. That is why foreign diplomatic relations are so important. We have to work with the goverments of nuclear powers to establish economic and legislative peace between rival countries. Also proliferation is a major concern especially with the collapse of the soviet union, pakistans unreliability as an ally, and north korea.
I think it's unrealistic to think that a govenment would say "Ok guys lets get ride of this stuff than can kill thousands instantly". If a country was fighting a war and they where about to loose, wouldnt a nuke sound grand for changing the tide of the war?
Maybe but that is sort of thinking in a vacuum. We are pretty much the only country that even has a chance of using a nuke without serious repercussions from the entire internationall communnity. Even if a government resorted to nukes to end a losing war, they themselves would be removed from power by the rest of the world.
In contrast, Muammar Gaddafi of libya is a perfect example of a government realizing that in order to save its existence and control in their own country, it must give up any WMD's.
But in reality I personaly think that there is a much better chance that the world will soon be reminded of the power of these weapons. World War II was along time ago and I think the world has forgotten what it is like. |
Quackers
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 26 Mar 2006, 21:23 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Weapons are nessarsary in extreme circumstances (war, police matters) but civilians shouldnt be allowed them. The fact that in America anyone is allowed to own weapons designed to kill others, is fucking distgusting imo.
Anyone who owns or uses weapons without a legitimate reason is a complete mug in my opinion. Theres just no need. |
crazyjoe
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Mar 2006, 04:31 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Weapons are nessarsary in extreme circumstances (war, police matters) but civilians shouldnt be allowed them. The fact that in America anyone is allowed to own weapons designed to kill others, is fucking distgusting imo.
Anyone who owns or uses weapons without a legitimate reason is a complete mug in my opinion. Theres just no need.
Self protection is a damn good reason to own a gun. And if America gets invaded think of how many militia men America would have :D |
Quackers
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Mar 2006, 12:17 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Weapons are nessarsary in extreme circumstances (war, police matters) but civilians shouldnt be allowed them. The fact that in America anyone is allowed to own weapons designed to kill others, is fucking distgusting imo.
Anyone who owns or uses weapons without a legitimate reason is a complete mug in my opinion. Theres just no need.
Self protection is a damn good reason to own a gun. And if America gets invaded think of how many militia men America would have :D
Self Protection? :lol: Same old pathetic excuse.
If it was ilegal for civilians to own them, then there wouldnt be any need to use guns for self protection, because no one would have them. So there would be far less unnecsarsary deaths. |
Overlord
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Mar 2006, 22:17 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Weapons are nessarsary in extreme circumstances (war, police matters) but civilians shouldnt be allowed them. The fact that in America anyone is allowed to own weapons designed to kill others, is fucking distgusting imo.
Anyone who owns or uses weapons without a legitimate reason is a complete mug in my opinion. Theres just no need.
By the way, I went Turkey hunting last weekend and had a blast with my automatic 12 gauge. Please mark me down for the record as a "mug" because I love guns. I love hunting with them. I love shooting them. I love the smell of gunpowder on my clothes and I thank God and our forefathers for living in a great age of firepower available to the general public.
You could use your same logic to ban automobiles. |
crazyjoe
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Mar 2006, 22:22 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Self Protection? :lol: Same old pathetic excuse.
If it was ilegal for civilians to own them, then there wouldnt be any need to use guns for self protection, because no one would have them. So there would be far less unnecsarsary deaths.
People don't always buy guns legally YOU KNOW. People buy illegal drugs. So don't tell me that civilians would not have weapons. Anything is a weapon. A knife could be a weapon, want to outlaw knives? |
That Dude
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Mar 2006, 23:56 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Weapons are nessarsary in extreme circumstances (war, police matters) but civilians shouldnt be allowed them. The fact that in America anyone is allowed to own weapons designed to kill others, is fucking distgusting imo.
Anyone who owns or uses weapons without a legitimate reason is a complete mug in my opinion. Theres just no need.
Self protection is a damn good reason to own a gun. And if America gets invaded think of how many militia men America would have :D
Self Protection? :lol: Same old pathetic excuse.
If it was illegal for civilians to own them, then there wouldn't be any need to use guns for self protection, because no one but outlaws, criminals, and dog-rapists would have them. So there would be far more unnecessary deaths.
Correct'd.
Your theory sucks. |
Overlord
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 31 Mar 2006, 04:32 · [Salvaged from Archive]
The Marine Corps Rules For Gun Fighting
* Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.
* Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
* Only hits count. A close miss is still a miss.
* If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough nor using cover correctly.
* Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movements are preferred.)
* If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.
* In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics.
* They will only remember who lived.
* If you are not shooting, you should be communic- ating, reloading, and running.
* Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.
* Use a gun that works EVERY TIME.
* Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
* Always cheat = always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
* Have a plan.
* Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.
* Use cover and concealment as much as possible.
* Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
* Don't drop your guard.
* Always tactically reload and threat scan 360 degrees.
* Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them).
* Decide to be AGGRESSIVE enough, QUICKLY enough.
* The faster you finish the fight, the less shot up you will get.
* Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
* Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
* Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a "4".
Navy Rules for Gun Fighting
* Go to Sea
* Send the Marines
* Drink Coffee
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aimmok
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Apr 2006, 18:49 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Weapon will kill people !
Weapon will save people!
I am a chinese,I come here for studying english!thanks! |
Overlord
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Apr 2006, 21:41 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Weapon will kill people !
Weapon will save people!
I am a chinese,I come here for studying english!thanks!
Keep studying! LMAO |
