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ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 20:54 · [Salvaged from Archive]
so lets see..... the terrorists are being brought to the USA and given civil rights for their trials........and the Navy Seals that were doing their job are being sent to Iraq for their trials........makes sense........and now the new soon to be head of our TSA(transportation security administration) made a statement linking people against abortion with terroristic/extremist mindsets and suggested we will end up on a "watch list"...... well guess what..... Im watching as well......... watching this country go straight down the toilet. |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 21:07 · [Salvaged from Archive]
so lets see..... the terrorists are being brought to the USA and given civil rights for their trials........and the Navy Seals that were doing their job are being sent to Iraq for their trials........makes sense........and now the new soon to be head of our TSA(transportation security administration) made a statement linking people against abortion with terroristic/extremist mindsets and suggested we will end up on a "watch list"...... well guess what..... Im watching as well......... watching this country go straight down the toilet.
Well, it depends on the crimes...
There's a difference between a crime that takes place on 'civilian' land versus a crime that takes place in a 'war zone'.
It's like robbing a person or a business...stealing is stealing...but, legally, there's a huge difference between stealing from a person and stealing from a business.
This would have been the same situation years ago...not really a reflection on whether America is going down the toilet or not...imo. |
mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 21:40 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Well, it depends on the crimes...
There's a difference between a crime that takes place on 'civilian' land versus a crime that takes place in a 'war zone'.
It's like robbing a person or a business...stealing is stealing...but, legally, there's a huge difference between stealing from a person and stealing from a business.
This would have been the same situation years ago...not really a reflection on whether America is going down the toilet or not...imo.
If you live in a land where 'legal' substitutes for 'just'...where 'good intentions' takes presedence over 'rights', and where 'PR' is more important than 'mandated responsibility', then this is all true. I don't live there. This is my own little tin-hatted country I live in, so the US Government can fuck off. |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:15 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Well, obviously there's truth to both sides of the coin.
But, aside from maybe Canada and The Netherlands, there's no place I'd rather live...ahhh...and I don't much feel like moving today. haha |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:20 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Well, it depends on the crimes...
There's a difference between a crime that takes place on 'civilian' land versus a crime that takes place in a 'war zone'.
It's like robbing a person or a business...stealing is stealing...but, legally, there's a huge difference between stealing from a person and stealing from a business.
This would have been the same situation years ago...not really a reflection on whether America is going down the toilet or not...imo.
oh so u think terrorists from another country who try to murder us should have civil rights then.......prolly voted for Obummer 2 didnt ya? |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:25 · [Salvaged from Archive]
oh so u think terrorists from another country who try to murder us should have civil rights then.......prolly voted for Obummer 2 didnt ya?
LOL
No, I was a McCain man.
But, you're blaming the President. Blame the law...or the Geneva Convention...
What does this have to do with Obama? |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:28 · [Salvaged from Archive]
What does this have to do with Obama?
obummer is bringing radical liberalism to new heights.....at the expense of good people like myself......answer the question... do you believe terrorists who try to murder us should have civil rights while navy seals doing their job should not? |
Echo1
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:29 · [Salvaged from Archive]
obama isnt bringing radical liberalism to new heights. dumb ass liberals are bringing radical liberalism to new heights. and because enough of these morons got their fat heads together, were being run under a radically liberal government.
radical.
dude. |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:31 · [Salvaged from Archive]
obummer is bringing radical liberalism to new heights.....at the expense of good people like myself......answer the question... do you believe terrorists who try to murder us should have civil rights while navy seals doing their job should not?
Cee...I can't answer the question the way you are presenting it...go back and read my prior posts...use that information, regarding WHERE the offenses took place, to help answer the question.
You aren't being 'specific'...WHAT terrorist(s)? WHAT murder(s)? WHO? WHERE?
Cee, we're in America...we have different laws on this soil than there are in other countries....
Are you going to blame America and Obama for crimes committed in other countries, man? When your wife sucks cock in the Dominican, she won't be charged with Prostitution in America.
Do your homework, Cee...educate yourself. :thumb: |
Echo1
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:33 · [Salvaged from Archive]
http://joshsmithonwpf.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/rad.jpg |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:35 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Cee...I can't answer the question the way you are presenting it...go back and read my prior posts...use that information, regarding WHERE the offenses took place, to help answer the question.
You aren't being 'specific'...WHAT terrorist(s)? WHAT murder(s)? WHO? WHERE?
Cee, we're in America...we have different laws on this soil than there are in other countries....
Are you going to blame America and Obama for crimes committed in other countries, man? When your wife sucks cock in the Dominican, she won't be charged with Prostitution in America.
Do your homework, Cee...educate yourself. :thumb:
nice avoidance to answering my question........you would make a fine politician.... as far as I am concerened.... anyone who thinks terrorists who try to murder us citizens should have civil rights should be considered traitors and kicked out of this country.......do you believe that people who are pro-life should be likened to wacko extremist/terrorists? |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:37 · [Salvaged from Archive]
obama isnt bringing radical liberalism to new heights. dumb ass liberals are bringing radical liberalism to new heights. and because enough of these morons got their fat heads together, were being run under a radically liberal government.
radical.
dude.
bullshit... he appointed the liberal wacko czars.... he did... no one else...... far as I am concerened.... obummer is a communist. |
Echo1
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:38 · [Salvaged from Archive]
and who appointed him. faggot liberals. and people who thought he was TOTALLY RADICAL AND AWESOME!! DUDE!!!!!!!!
i blame the dumb fucks who thought he was going to be different. in a good way. :cough: willow :cough: |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:39 · [Salvaged from Archive]
nice avoidance to answering my question........you would make a fine politician.... as far as I am concerened.... anyone who thinks terrorists who try to murder us citizens should have civil rights should be considered traitors and kicked out of this country.......do you believe that people who are pro-life should be likened to wacko extremist/terrorists?
Cee, I'm not avoiding ANYTHING...YOU are. You don't know what you're talking about.
You're mixing terrorist activity vs Navy Seal activity and whining that they're being treated differently.
Once again...GO BACK...READ MY PRIOR POSTS...FIGURE OUT WHERE THESE OFFENSES TOOK PLACE...then, TRY to understand they are being treated differently.
Take your time. S L O W L Y. Do you get it now?
You're mixing laws in America with laws in other countries. Weed is legal in Amsterdam...doesn't mean it is here.
Cee...an American was caught smoking pot in Amsterdam...are you saying that he should be charged with marijuana posession because it's illegal in America?????
Was it legal for Bill Clinton to smoke marijuana, or should he be hung in Amsterdam Square to pay for his crime? |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:40 · [Salvaged from Archive]
and who appointed him. faggot liberals. and sheeple who thought he was TOTALLY RADICAL AND AWESOME!! DUDE!!!!!!!!
i blame the dumb fucks who thought he was going to be different. in a good way. :cough: willow :cough:
fixed and i somewhat agree. |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:40 · [Salvaged from Archive]
and who appointed him. faggot liberals. and people who thought he was TOTALLY RADICAL AND AWESOME!! DUDE!!!!!!!!
i blame the dumb fucks who thought he was going to be different. in a good way. :cough: willow :cough:
This kid is going to go far in life.
Be nice to him...he may be our President and pardon us all, one day.
(As long as he understand there's a lot of faggot Conservatives, too! lol) |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:41 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Cee, I'm not avoiding ANYTHING...YOU are. You don't know what you're talking about.
You're mixing terrorist activity vs Navy Seal activity and whining that they're being treated differently.
Once again...GO BACK...READ MY PRIOR POSTS...FIGURE OUT WHERE THESE OFFENSES TOOK PLACE...then, TRY to understand they are being treated differently.
Take your time. S L O W L Y. Do you get it now?
You're mixing laws in America with laws in other countries. Weed is legal in Amsterdam...doesn't mean it is here.
Cee...an American was caught smoking pot in Amsterdam...are you saying that he should be charged with marijuana posession because it's illegal in America?????
Was it legal for Bill Clinton to smoke marijuana, or should he be hung in Amsterdam Square to pay for his crime?
so life is completely black and white to you..... a navy seal who punches a terrorist in the stomach should be treated and held to the same standards as a murderous terrorist because the laws say so??... for suck sakes....think for yourself.... be human. |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:44 · [Salvaged from Archive]
nice avoidance to answering my question........you would make a fine politician.... as far as I am concerened.... anyone who thinks terrorists who try to murder us citizens should have civil rights should be considered traitors and kicked out of this country.......do you believe that people who are pro-life should be likened to wacko extremist/terrorists?
so life is completely black and white to you..... a navy seal who punches a terrorist in the stomach should be treated and held to the same standards as a murderous terrorist because the laws say so??... for suck sakes....think for yourself.... be human.
Cee...now, you're coming off as an idiot.
I'm NOT avoiding...you obviously don't understand the correlation and how it pertains to the topic.
Don't ask a loaded question if you can't provide the specific questions for people to make an accurate response.
You're supposedly an American...act like you understand what that means.
:yawn: |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:45 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Cee...now, you're coming off as an idiot.
I'm NOT avoiding...you obviously don't understand the correlation and how it pertains to the topic.
:yawn:
and you my friend cant think for yourself.... life is black and white to you.... and its easy because you dont have a family member that will never come home due to some murderous cockroach. |
Echo1
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 22:45 · [Salvaged from Archive]
This kid is going to go far in life.
Be nice to him...he may be our President and pardon us all, one day.
(As long as he understand there's a lot of faggot Conservatives, too! lol)
people who chant "usa"
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/f/f/get_a_brain_m…
people who have nothing better to do with their life than bitch about libruls..
http://freddyflores.com/practice1/freddy/rush-limbaugh.jpg
uber patriots..
http://nothingfancy1.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/keith_to… |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 23:16 · [Salvaged from Archive]
so life is completely black and white to you..... a navy seal who punches a terrorist in the stomach should be treated and held to the same standards as a murderous terrorist because the laws say so??... for suck sakes....think for yourself.... be human.
and you my friend cant think for yourself.... life is black and white to you.... and its easy because you dont have a family member that will never come home due to some murderous cockroach.
Wow, Cee.
You just TOTALLY cowered out of that entire discussion...you wouldn't specify ONE aspect of the question you were asking, yet you continued to toss your insults around.
Nice try, bud.
Do you have a family member who won't come home due to some murderous cockroach? And...if so...what does that have to do with the SIMPLE questions I asked you to anwer so I could answer your vague question?
You're a black eye on the Republican Party, and I'm sure if one of them saw your posts, they'd assure your assassination...you're a maggot without a Party who will accept you as a Member...LOL |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 23:18 · [Salvaged from Archive]
people who chant "usa"
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/f/f/get_a_brain_m…
people who have nothing better to do with their life than bitch about libruls..
http://freddyflores.com/practice1/freddy/rush-limbaugh.jpg
uber patriots..
http://nothingfancy1.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/keith_to…
Holy Schnikes! An American, with a brain, under 30, who doesn't suck these two guys dicks...VVVVV...I wish you were my offspring...your mother's vagina is a wonderland!
Anyone with a "free" thinking mind should rep this kid...Liberal and Conservative sheep need not apply. :thumb: |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 23:42 · [Salvaged from Archive]
You're a black eye on the Republican Party, ..LOL
better a human black eye then that of a sheeple....... fuck your political parties.... I refuse to be labeled.. or herded into letting others think for me....... and I am proud of it. |
mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 23:50 · [Salvaged from Archive]
LOL
No, I was a McCain man.
But, you're blaming the President. Blame the law...or the Geneva Convention...
What does this have to do with Obama?
I hate to put words in his mouth, but I think he is talking about the Christmas Day Underwear Bomber. He's Al-Queda or next thing to it, and will be tried in a civilian court (with free lawyers, rights, plus three hots and a cot). That could have been nixed if the Bamster wished. Yet our SEALS, who voluntarily subject themselves to war, possible death, military Courts Martial, have fewer rights. That doesn't seem quite right to me either. |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 23:52 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I hate to put words in his mouth, but I think he is talking about the Christmas Day Underwear Bomber. He's Al-Queda or next thing to it, and will be tried in a civilian court. That could have been nixed if the Bamster wished. Yet our SEALS, who voluntarily subject themselves to war, possible death, military Courts Martial, have fewer rights. That doesn't seem quite right to me either.
thank fuckin god.....there are some good hearted sensible humans left. |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 00:21 · [Salvaged from Archive]
better a human black eye then that of a sheeple....... fuck your political parties.... I refuse to be labeled.. or herded into letting others think for me....... and I am proud of it.
Labelled?
You're labelling yourself a Conservative or Libertarian...I'm an Independent, and hate voting...can't get much more free minded than that. :thumb:
I hate to put words in his mouth, but I think he is talking about the Christmas Day Underwear Bomber. He's Al-Queda or next thing to it, and will be tried in a civilian court (with free lawyers, rights, plus three hots and a cot). That could have been nixed if the Bamster wished. Yet our SEALS, who voluntarily subject themselves to war, possible death, military Courts Martial, have fewer rights. That doesn't seem quite right to me either.
The Underwear Bomber got onboard in Amsterdam...that's not in America, is it?...he tried to blow up the plane where?
Navy Seals...VOLUNTARILY subject themselves to WAR...get it?
A terrorist attempting to commit a crime in another country, versus an AMERICAN militant being killed while carrying out a mission of AMERICAN design are two totally different situations.
Do you guys have ANY idea why there might be different rules regarding this and can't use this to blame on Obama?
Look, I don't like Obama, either...but you have to atleast ATTEMPT to use some intelligence when mixing law and Politics. A guy steals a Chevrolet in Germany...blames Obama and wants to have his trial in Florida. Duhhhh. |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 00:26 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I know it is WRONG to court martial a seal for punching a guy in the stomach....ESPECIALLY a guy that MURDERED humans in cold blood.....and I dont give a fuk what the law says.......right is right...and wrong is wrong. |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 00:29 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I know it is WRONG to court martial a seal for punching a guy in the stomach....ESPECIALLY a guy that MURDERED humans in cold blood.....and I dont give a fuk what the law says.......right is right...and wrong is wrong.
Now we're getting somewhere.
Let's keep the argument where it belongs.
Obama has NOTHING to do with the LAW that was put in place before him. Maybe your boy Bush?
Ok, you've reached step one...continue, grasshopper...:omg: |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 00:31 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Ok, you've reached step one...continue, grasshopper...:omg:
and it is also wrong to label a pro-lifer an extremist..... since when did placing actual value on life become extreme? |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 00:43 · [Salvaged from Archive]
and it is also wrong to label a pro-lifer an extremist..... since when did placing actual value on life become extreme?
I agree 100%...I think in 'principle' you and I agree...but, as much as I can't stand Obama, I won't mix apples and oranges.
Obama can't just wave a magic wand and change the laws that were created by Presidents before him...that's why we have a House and Senate. :thumb: |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 00:45 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I agree 100%...I think in 'principle' you and I agree...but, as much as I can't stand Obama, I won't mix apples and oranges.
Obama can't just wave a magic wand and change the laws that were created by Presidents before him...that's why we have a House and Senate. :thumb:
I really believe obummer has really hurt our nation.....but then again..... as u said... he is only one guy.... I said it once... I will say it a thousand times....... republican.....democrat.....dont matter.... u still end up with a POLITICIAN. |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 01:11 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I really believe obummer has really hurt our nation.....but then again..... as u said... he is only one guy.... I said it once... I will say it a thousand times....... republican.....democrat.....dont matter.... u still end up with a POLITICIAN.
Bush hurt us too...but, he did what he had to do at the time...he just did it in a REALLY fucked up manner.
I know everyone wants to call Obama a Socialist, and I think they may be right.
But...with how far we've turned off most of the world to us, is that REALLY a BAD thing?
Who hates Canada?
Hmmmmm...
Who hates America?
HMMMMMMMM!
Food for thought, my friend...don't fall into the sheep trap and look at a word as a label. Who the fuck are WE to say? Lately? Hmmmmm. |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 01:12 · [Salvaged from Archive]
dey all da same....aint naythin change buh da weather.... ya hurd? |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 01:14 · [Salvaged from Archive]
dey all da same....aint naythin change buh da weather.... ya hurd?
No they're not...they're really not the same.
In some ways, yeah...but, if they're all the same, than how can America claim to be 'better' or 'worse' than any other country? |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 01:15 · [Salvaged from Archive]
No they're not...they're really not the same.
In some ways, yeah...but, if they're all the same, than how can America claim to be 'better' or 'worse' than any other country?
yes... they really are.... in that they are in the game for THEMSELVES.... to make themselves and their crooked cronies richer...... not a one gives a fuck about u or me......therefore.... I don luv dem hoes nither. |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 01:29 · [Salvaged from Archive]
yes... they really are.... in that they are in the game for THEMSELVES.... to make themselves and their crooked cronies richer...... not a one gives a fuck about u or me......therefore.... I don luv dem hoes nither.
But, there's spics like TGD who get to live and go to school for free...on our dollar...and make a fucking joke of everything we fight for...LOL
Yep, God Bless America...so the Satanists can get free lunch. :thumb: |
tgd_02
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 01:35 · [Salvaged from Archive]
But, there's spics like TGD who get to live and go to school for free...on our dollar...and make a fucking joke of everything we fight for...LOL
Yep, God Bless America...so the Satanists can get free lunch. :thumb:
OK moron, ill summarize it for u and ur bitch son:
1/2 No limit texas hold em, heads up
Buy in is $100, NO REBUYS, NO STACK ON
Thursday, Friday (whichever) AFTER 6PM is fine
And we are playing at pokerstars.net
YAYE, i know u skimmed through my previous posts but hopefully this one is short enough for your retard and you
just in case
:thumb: |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 01:46 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Yeah...that $100 buy in proves what a poker machine you are...hahahaha
My 18 year old son is asking me 'Really, just $100? Ask him if he'd be able to do more than that'...hahahahahaha
He isn't calling TGD a spic or anything...he's actually being very cordial...but, that's just cuz he's whiter than I am...LOL |
Josh85
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 05:36 · [Salvaged from Archive]
wait wut?
why are navy seals getting done in iraq? trial?
what u mean tried under iraqi laws?
what did they do?
someone inform me. |
HeyBuddy
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 10:42 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Forget the underwear bomber, we are taking detainees from Guantanamo Bay and giving them Constitutional rights. They will be given a trial in the US Court systems. The decision to do this was based on a court saying that they have, the right to this based on the US Constitution. Well, if we're granting Constitutional Rights to enemy combatants that aren't US citizens, then that should raise some questions. Keep in mind that some were captured on foreign battle fields, and others were connected directly to 9/11.
But yesterday's decision in favor of Lakhdar Boumediene of Bosnia and Fawzi al-Odah of Kuwait cited the Constitution itself, establishing for the first time that noncitizens held at Guantanamo Bay have fundamental rights, even though they are not being held on US soil.
.......
Obama, who taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago, opposed the Bush administration's tribunal system, saying that the right to challenge one's detention is fundamental to the rule of law. Obama said he would close Guantanamo Bay and try detainees in federal courts or under military courts-martial.
Here are some of the questions that need to be addressed.
Some of the detainees have already given confessions. Will these be thrown out because their "Constitutional Rights" were violated? If not, will it set a legal precedence? Will the courts decide that constitutional rights, such as "miranda rights" don't always apply?
If the courts make these exceptions, and convict these individuals of a crime, how will that effect US Citizens that are arrested and put on trial. Will the courts start making more exceptions? Could they make an exception on illegal search and seizure?
What will these people be charged with? It's not a military tribunal, so they will be tried under different laws with different standards. The punishments may be different. If they are put on trial in a state without a death penalty, will these guys spend life in a US prison? If they get the death penalty, does this set a precedence for death penalty cases in which a suspects Constitutional Rights were violated? If it's a high priority case, do we still need a search warrant or probable cause? Can we take a confession from someone who was waterboarded?
These are foreign combatants, from foreign countries, detained on foreign soil. We're giving them Constitutional rights after the fact. There are a million technicalities that a lawyer could use in a US Court to get these guys off. If those technicalities are thrown out because of circumstance, it could set a terrible precedence.
As much as I hate to say it, because I know it will piss some of you off, Obama set these wheels into motion. This all came about after Obama started attempting to close Guantanamo Bay, and bring prisoners into the US legal system. This will not end well. |
Supplemental Persona
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 10:55 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Nation states will become a thing of the past. People will seek like ideology via cyber connections and our languages will die as we adopt e-speak as our new language, lewl no0bs. |
HeyBuddy
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 10:58 · [Salvaged from Archive]
New York Times
Security for Terrorism Trials Estimated at $200 Million a Year (Khalid Shaikh Mohammed - 9/11 mastermind)
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/nyregion/07terror.html
Law.com
Embassy Bombing Case Previews Issues in 9/11 Prosecution
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202437760783&E… on
The result of a hearing Monday in the case of al-Qaida confederate Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, who is accused of helping to blow up two U.S. embassies in Africa, could have far-reaching implications for the federal government's decision to try the alleged 9/11 terrorists in the civilian justice system in New York.
Judge Lewis A. Kaplan will hear arguments Monday on whether or not the indictment against Ghailani in United States v. Hage, 98 cr. 1023 (S-10), should be dismissed on speedy-trial grounds, a decision that could serve as a template for the pretrial maneuvering in the controversial case against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four others for the Sept. 11, 2001, hijacking of four airliners and attacking New York City and Washington, D.C. |
silenthill22
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 11:10 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Politics is such bullshit. I'm so tired of Dems & Repubs attacking each other. Both sides are full of shit. :yawn: |
HeyBuddy
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 12:11 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Politics is such bullshit. I'm so tired of Dems & Repubs attacking each other. Both sides are full of shit. :yawn:
I agree, but unfortunately it effects all of us. With liberty comes responsibility, and people have been too apathetic over the years. |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 15:09 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Obama set these wheels into motion.
untrue.... because boo cocky and echo said so. :rolleyes2: |
mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 15:25 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Labelled?
You're labelling yourself a Conservative or Libertarian...I'm an Independent, and hate voting...can't get much more free minded than that. :thumb:
The Underwear Bomber got onboard in Amsterdam...that's not in America, is it?...he tried to blow up the plane where?
Navy Seals...VOLUNTARILY subject themselves to WAR...get it?
A terrorist attempting to commit a crime in another country, versus an AMERICAN militant being killed while carrying out a mission of AMERICAN design are two totally different situations.
Do you guys have ANY idea why there might be different rules regarding this and can't use this to blame on Obama?
Look, I don't like Obama, either...but you have to atleast ATTEMPT to use some intelligence when mixing law and Politics. A guy steals a Chevrolet in Germany...blames Obama and wants to have his trial in Florida. Duhhhh.
He waited to light the bomb until they were something like ten minutes from landing. He was in US airspace at the time. The problem I have with these two examples is that we go too far to protect 'them' (the bad guys), and not far enough to protect 'us'. When a society cares more about the rights of the people that wants to destroy them than they do about the rights of the people protecting them, it can only lead to disallusionment and failure. |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 15:27 · [Salvaged from Archive]
The problem I have with these two examples is that we go too far to protect 'them' (the bad guys), and not far enough to protect 'us'.
but thats one of the prime foundations of the bleeding heart liberal mindset....and it aint gonna change anytime soon. |
mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 15:31 · [Salvaged from Archive]
but thats one of the prime foundations of the bleeding heart liberal mindset....and it aint gonna change anytime soon.
When I become dictator................oh, how shit gonna change. |
mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 15:35 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Here are some of the questions that need to be addressed.
Some of the detainees have already given confessions. Will these be thrown out because their "Constitutional Rights" were violated? If not, will it set a legal precedence? Will the courts decide that constitutional rights, such as "miranda rights" don't always apply?
If the courts make these exceptions, and convict these individuals of a crime, how will that effect US Citizens that are arrested and put on trial. Will the courts start making more exceptions? Could they make an exception on illegal search and seizure?
What will these people be charged with? It's not a military tribunal, so they will be tried under different laws with different standards. The punishments may be different. If they are put on trial in a state without a death penalty, will these guys spend life in a US prison? If they get the death penalty, does this set a precedence for death penalty cases in which a suspects Constitutional Rights were violated? If it's a high priority case, do we still need a search warrant or probable cause? Can we take a confession from someone who was waterboarded?
These are foreign combatants, from foreign countries, detained on foreign soil. We're giving them Constitutional rights after the fact. There are a million technicalities that a lawyer could use in a US Court to get these guys off. If those technicalities are thrown out because of circumstance, it could set a terrible precedence.
As much as I hate to say it, because I know it will piss some of you off, Obama set these wheels into motion. This all came about after Obama started attempting to close Guantanamo Bay, and bring prisoners into the US legal system. This will not end well.
You've hit the fucking nail squarely on the head. I theorize this is happening just so that the Big G can create more power for itself, and precedence for later 'exceptions' to our COnstitutional protections. |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 15:35 · [Salvaged from Archive]
When I become dictator................oh, how shit gonna change.
id vote for you....and I aint voted for nothing since prop 187......we couldnt possibly do much worse then with obummer. |
mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 16:59 · [Salvaged from Archive]
id vote for you....and I aint voted for nothing since prop 187......we couldnt possibly do much worse then with obummer.
GOnna be a chicken in every pot with the 'Rat in office. NO more illegals either. And FREE BEER! Vote for me on election day! |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 18:03 · [Salvaged from Archive]
untrue.... because boo cocky and echo said so. :rolleyes2:
Cee, just because you aren't intelligent enough to follow an adult conversation doesn't mean you should make it all the worse by opening up the can of worms you should PRAY remains closed and forgotten about. :thumb:
Stick to what you know...thuggin' and sniffin' your wife's daughter's underwear. :omg: |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 18:04 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Cee, just because you aren't intelligent enough to follow an adult conversation doesn't mean you should make it all the worse by opening up the can of worms you should PRAY remains closed and forgotten about. :thumb:
Stick to what you know...thuggin' and sniffin' your wife's daughter's underwear. :omg:
ok mr. I'm right all the time. |
Josh85
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 19:29 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Should be more like China
just put a bullet in their head and be done with it. |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 19:43 · [Salvaged from Archive]
^^^ unlikely voice of reason. |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 19:48 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Meh...the bottom line is this...
Whether we're right, or wrong...
Whether we give a shit, or not...
NOTHING we say or do will EVER make ONE BIT of a difference. NOTHING.
Politics are a waste of fucking time. Politicians are elitists who never do what they promise...so, it really doesn't matter who's in the White House...the guy who promises to do what we want will never do it, and the guy who promises to do what we don't want will never do it...the little that they do get done, oh well. Big whoop.
We have as much of a chance changing the ending to a Brady Bunch re-run than we do changing what our Government does/doesn't do.
But, hey...I'm just a fan. |
mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 19:58 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Meh...the bottom line is this...
Whether we're right, or wrong...
Whether we give a shit, or not...
NOTHING we say or do will EVER make ONE BIT of a difference. NOTHING.
Politics are a waste of fucking time. Politicians are elitists who never do what they promise...so, it really doesn't matter who's in the White House...the guy who promises to do what we want will never do it, and the guy who promises to do what we don't want will never do it...the little that they do get done, oh well. Big whoop.
We have as much of a chance changing the ending to a Brady Bunch re-run than we do changing what our Government does/doesn't do.
But, hey...I'm just a fan. It's a well worn truism of American politics that 'if you can ascend to the office of American President you do not deserve the position'. I'm a bit of an idealist, and this sort of deceit is what drives me insane. We have an educated populace, lots of 'know-how', a Protestant work ethic (well, except for TGD ), lots of raw materials, and sound platform of governmental stability if..........if only the power-hungry whores in Washington weren't so greedy for more power, more money, more stinking, self interested, corrupt backroom dealings. Some times I think the best thing that could happen to our country would be Al-queda nuking them all and having a clean sweep of it. Bastards...all of them. Fucking whores and pimps, filthy evil degenerate bastards. |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 20:11 · [Salvaged from Archive]
It's a well worn truism of American politics that 'if you can ascend to the office of American President you do not deserve the position'. I'm a bit of an idealist, and this sort of deceit is what drives me insane. We have an educated populace, lots of 'know-how', a Protestant work ethic (well, except for TGD ), lots of raw materials, and sound platform of governmental stability if..........if only the power-hungry whores in Washington weren't so greedy for more power, more money, more stinking, self interested, corrupt backroom dealings. Some times I think the best thing that could happen to our country would be Al-queda nuking them all and having a clean sweep of it. Bastards...all of them. Fucking whores and pimps, filthy evil degenerate bastards.
Sadly, the people we call 'radicals' are by and large MUCH more dedicated to their cause(s) than any of us Americans.
I've just lost interest...as you've said...Washington is a joke. It doesn't do a fucking ounce of good to waste my time giving a shit, because it's just that...a waste of MY time.
I get a good chuckle reading the rants of die hard Liberals and Conservatives, though. They're both identical...sheeps...they buy into someone else's Political beliefs simply so they can 'belong' to the 'club'. But, it scares me at the same time...the brainwashing of America is disgusting.
America's been walking around Blind and Proud for generations now...and look...it's already slipped away. We're probably more fucked than we even realize yet. |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 20:29 · [Salvaged from Archive]
NOTHING we say or do will EVER make ONE BIT of a difference. NOTHING.
thank fuckin god the boston tea partiers were'nt this spineless...... else we'd all be eating crumpets, drinking tea and visiting the dentist alot for our bad teeth. |
PlaneswalkerX
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 20:30 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Ceehound, you're an idiot. The people in the boston tea party dressed up like Indians because they had no balls. |
Echo1
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 20:31 · [Salvaged from Archive]
kill all towel heads.
the end. |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 20:32 · [Salvaged from Archive]
thank fuckin god the boston tea partiers were'nt this spineless...... else we'd all be eating crumpets, drinking tea and visiting the dentist alot for our bad teeth.
You really need to stop typing in threads that require an IQ, Cee...for realz, yo.
Damn, you're a fucking moron! LMAO :rofl: |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 20:33 · [Salvaged from Archive]
kill all towel heads.
the end.
And Asians...and Russians...Germans, too.
That should do it...as long as those Limey Englishmen behave themselves...or, they'll be dead, too! |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 20:35 · [Salvaged from Archive]
You really need to stop typing in threads that require an IQ, Cee...for realz, yo.
Damn, you're a fucking moron! LMAO :rofl:
no serious.... if people thought like you back in those days...we'd all be speaking german right now ya fuckin coward. |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 20:37 · [Salvaged from Archive]
no serious.... if people thought like you back in those days...we'd all be speaking german right now ya fuckin coward.
If people thought my way back in the Tea Party days, we'd be speaking German? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Does it hurt to be this stupid? Does it?
Ok, Cee...you go on and Crusade for the Cause...make a difference in the world. Get back to me and let me know how it worked out. :thumb: |
Echo1
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 20:38 · [Salvaged from Archive]
untrue.... because boo cocky and echo said so. :rolleyes2:
im not saying obama isnt to blame for the shit hes been pulling and has yet to pull. but certain people gave him that power to do it. and i blame them more.
its not black and white. |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 20:39 · [Salvaged from Archive]
im not saying obama isnt to blame for the shit hes been pulling and has yet to pull. but certain people gave him that power to do it. and i blame them more.
its not black and white.
gotcha....i guess it aint all obummers fault. |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 20:40 · [Salvaged from Archive]
If people thought my way back in the Tea Party days, we'd be speaking German? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Does it hurt to be this stupid? Does it?
Ok, Cee...you go on and Crusade for the Cause...make a difference in the world. Get back to me and let me know how it worked out. :thumb:
u got my point...... anyway... what needs to happen is another million man march.........but this time not only black...... people coming together to demand change..... demand that government be held accountable.......think you could pry yourself away from more important issues like posting on facebook for a minute? :omg: |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 20:45 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Demand change?
Oh, you mean, like our right to vote?
Yeah, that's worked.
'Demand' that government be held accountable? Ok, Cee...you go march...you go make DEMANDS from the US Government...and let's see how many crimes you get charged with.
Why don't you pull yourself away from Filecabi and put your money where your mouth is? |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 20:47 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Demand change?
Oh, you mean, like our right to vote?
Yeah, that's worked.
'Demand' that government be held accountable? Ok, Cee...you go march...you go make DEMANDS from the US Government...and let's see how many crimes you get charged with.
Why don't you pull yourself away from Filecabi and put your money where your mouth is?
my point is its gonna take ANOTHER boston tea party to change anything..... because you are correct..... this whole voting/election thing is a sham designed to makes us THINK we have a voice......its a fuckin joke. |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 20:49 · [Salvaged from Archive]
my point is its gonna take ANOTHER boston tea party to change anything..... because you are correct..... this whole voting/election thing is a sham designed to makes us THINK we have a voice......its a fuckin joke.
If the Boston Tea Party took place today, the participants would end up in prison for life.
Look at the people who argue income tax as un-Constitutional...they actually have a solid argument...but, they get to argue it from behind bars every April. |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 20:51 · [Salvaged from Archive]
If the Boston Tea Party took place today, the participants would end up in prison for life.
If they wittle much more of our freedoms away.... prison wont look so bad.....I think we are closer then we might believe. |
mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 21:02 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Ceehound, you're an idiot. The people in the boston tea party dressed up like Indians because they had no balls.
It's called 'plausible deniability', and they learned it from the CIA. |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 21:07 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Ceehound, you're an idiot. The people in the boston tea party dressed up like Indians because they had no balls.
good point.... meet any hot guys lately? |
mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 21:10 · [Salvaged from Archive]
un_OsoUCXok
Here it is....the Master. Turn off your 'political party' filter and listen to a wise man. |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 21:15 · [Salvaged from Archive]
un_OsoUCXok
Here it is....the Master. Turn off your 'political party' filter and listen to a wise man.
he is a smart man... one of a dying breed.....conservative.....god fearing....responsible.....etc. |
PlaneswalkerX
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 21:18 · [Salvaged from Archive]
good point.... meet any hot guys lately?
Seriously, Ceehound? You incorporated that into your signature? LOL. That's actually a quote from the Howard Stern show that I said to Butterz because I knew he would recognize it and get a laugh out of it. But you go ahead and have your fun. You're a loser ass truck driver who fantasizes about fucking 60 year old women who have an uncanny resemblance to "Garth" from Wayne's World, not to mention your desire to fuck your stepdaughter. You get a hard on watching MMA events. You get on here and talk like a fucking nigger and talk about regulating people with sawed-off shotguns. So I really couldn't care less if you think I'm gay. |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 21:20 · [Salvaged from Archive]
LOWL |
PlaneswalkerX
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 21:21 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Wow. You just referred to Michael Savage as a wise man. |
Nanabunga
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 21:22 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Ceehound, you're an idiot. The people in the boston tea party dressed up like Indians because they had no balls.
How?
*see what I did there? |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 21:23 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Wow. You just referred to Michael Savage as a wise man.
correct......listen...stick to topics like lil wayne and meeting guys........u gon make urself luk dum here. |
mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 21:24 · [Salvaged from Archive]
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mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 21:26 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Wow. You just referred to Michael Savage as a wise man.
How can you listen to that clip and say that, unless you're the ignorant, backwards-assed-country-fuck I've always thought you were? Oh...I get it. You didn't bother to turn off the 'Political Party' filter before you didn't listen to it. I got it. Really, Planes you are smarter than that...............aren't you? Oh well, nvm, you can't win them all.MxbK4vnzipI&feature |
mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 21:51 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Too fucking funny, this one.
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ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 21:55 · [Salvaged from Archive]
"sir what are you on?"......... hahahahahaha. |
Josh85
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 22:18 · [Salvaged from Archive]
u got my point...... anyway... what needs to happen is another million man march.........but this time not only black...... people coming together to demand change..... demand that government be held accountable.......think you could pry yourself away from more important issues like posting on facebook for a minute? :omg:
I don't think there can be any large scale gathering or march of people nowadays without there being a riot nowadays. haha.
That'd be an interesting series of events. |
Raidenator
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2010, 22:31 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I think I gotta agree with boo on this one.
I'm a lawman. |
mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Jan 2010, 11:10 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I think I gotta agree with boo on this one.
I'm a lawman.
Huh? |
HeyBuddy
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Jan 2010, 13:21 · [Salvaged from Archive]
If they wittle much more of our freedoms away.... prison wont look so bad.....I think we are closer then we might believe.
Walk around without health care in 2014, and you'll be behind bars. I know you have to read over 2,500 pages to find that, but it's in there. |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Jan 2010, 13:41 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Walk around without health care in 2014, and you'll be behind bars. .
yeah.....and those prisons they are going to put me in.....are those the same ones where they just had to RELEASE THOUSANDS of prisoners due to overcrowding via court order???... aint gonna happen.......at least not in california...... I aint worrying about that. |
mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Jan 2010, 13:49 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I know I'll never be 'mandated' to buy their fucking health insurance. They can kiss my rosy red ass. |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Jan 2010, 17:19 · [Salvaged from Archive]
correct......listen...stick to topics like lil wayne and meeting guys........u gon make urself luk dum here.
I gotta back Jordan up on this one...Cee, that 'meeting guys' thing is a quote from Ronnie the Limo driver...that's what is funny about it.
You're kinda missing the 'inside' joke and running away with this thing...which might actually be even funnier than the joke itself...because, you have no clue what you're saying.
It's kinda like the douchebag who's walking around with a huge snot hanging out of his nose and his fly unzipped...but loudly pointing out someone else's shirt that has a loose thread on it. hahahaha |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Jan 2010, 18:05 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I gotta back Jordan up on this one...Cee, that 'meeting guys' thing is a quote from Ronnie the Limo driver...that's what is funny about it.
You're kinda missing the 'inside' joke and running away with this thing...which might actually be even funnier than the joke itself...because, you have no clue what you're saying.
It's kinda like the douchebag who's walking around with a huge snot hanging out of his nose and his fly unzipped...but loudly pointing out someone else's shirt that has a loose thread on it. hahahaha
I don give a flyin fuk who the quote came from.... he posted it.... and it fits....u wanna continue your worship of planes go ahead.... .... umkay...... kthxdie |
Raidenator
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 15 Jan 2010, 00:32 · [Salvaged from Archive]
You guys bitch an awful lot. |
boo_cocky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 15 Jan 2010, 00:39 · [Salvaged from Archive]
You guys bitch an awful lot.
I know...we're going to ruin the atmosphere in this place...hahahaha |
Quackers
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 15 Jan 2010, 09:31 · [Salvaged from Archive]
so life is completely black and white to you..... a navy seal who punches a terrorist in the stomach should be treated and held to the same standards as a murderous terrorist because the laws say so??... for suck sakes....think for yourself.... be human.
The navy seal is a mercenary and should be treated like one. |
Quackers
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 15 Jan 2010, 09:38 · [Salvaged from Archive]
and it is also wrong to label a pro-lifer an extremist..... since when did placing actual value on life become extreme?
Anyone who tries to push their own ideals onto others and wants to control what others can and can't do with their bodies is an extremist.
Especially since alot of pro-life nutjobs are inspired by supernatural dogma, brainwashed into thinking their right. |
mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 15 Jan 2010, 10:04 · [Salvaged from Archive]
The navy seal is a mercenary and should be treated like one.
Ummm, Quackies, you might want to look that word up in the dictionary. I don't think it means what you think it means. |
Quackers
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 15 Jan 2010, 10:12 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Ummm, Quackies, you might want to look that word up in the dictionary. I don't think it means what you think it means.
Um, they're paid to go to war and kill people?
It dosn't get much simpler than that. The fact that their beating on prisoners for kicks kinda shoots any credidibility they may have had to shit. |
Supplemental Persona
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 15 Jan 2010, 10:14 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Not all christian pro-lifers are terrorists, but there are a lot of christian pro-life terrorist in the country that have blown up women's clinics. I don't differentiate between religious terrorists, muslim terrorist, christian pro-life terrorist any terrorist is better dead in my book. |
mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 15 Jan 2010, 10:18 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Um, they're paid to go to war and kill people?
It dosn't get much simpler than that. The fact that their beating on prisoners for kicks kinda shoots any credidibility they may have had to shit.
Well, we know who's 'simple' in this equation. |
Quackers
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 15 Jan 2010, 10:20 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Aye yeh, I'm far more simple than a fully fledged Nazi like yourself. |
Raidenator
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 15 Jan 2010, 11:05 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Well, we know who's 'simple' in this equation.
He has something of a point though. Do I agree that all soldiers are mercenaries? No. But I do agree that some are. Some are just looking for the paycheck or commonly to "pay for college". Those are the ones that are fucktards. You ask any marine, army, or whatever about the guys that are just there to pay for college and they'll give you an earful about it. |
mousewallrat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 15 Jan 2010, 14:13 · [Salvaged from Archive]
He has something of a point though. Do I agree that all soldiers are mercenaries? No. But I do agree that some are. Some are just looking for the paycheck or commonly to "pay for college". Those are the ones that are fucktards. You ask any marine, army, or whatever about the guys that are just there to pay for college and they'll give you an earful about it.
But that's so different from equating our most dedicated and professional elite troops with guys that can't get a job that it makes no sense. Everyone has to get paid for their work. A mercenary will fight for the highest bidder, with no commitment to any ideology or country. There are a lot of ways to get a paycheck that are easier than what a SEAL does. FOr example, look at what Quacres does. |
