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MontysDouble Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 29 Jan 2010, 21:40 · [Salvaged from Archive] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8474611.stm Why do people often vote against their own interests? The Republicans' shock victory in the election for the US Senate seat in Massachusetts meant the Democrats lost their supermajority in the Senate. This makes it even harder for the Obama administration to get healthcare reform passed in the US. Political scientist Dr David Runciman looks at why is there often such deep opposition to reforms that appear to be of obvious benefit to voters. Last year, in a series of "town-hall meetings" across the country, Americans got the chance to debate President Obama's proposed healthcare reforms. What happened was an explosion of rage and barely suppressed violence. Polling evidence suggests that the numbers who think the reforms go too far are nearly matched by those who think they do not go far enough. But it is striking that the people who most dislike the whole idea of healthcare reform - the ones who think it is socialist, godless, a step on the road to a police state - are often the ones it seems designed to help. In Texas, where barely two-thirds of the population have full health insurance and over a fifth of all children have no cover at all, opposition to the legislation is currently running at 87%. Anger Instead, to many of those who lose out under the existing system, reform still seems like the ultimate betrayal. Why are so many American voters enraged by attempts to change a horribly inefficient system that leaves them with premiums they often cannot afford? Why are they manning the barricades to defend insurance companies that routinely deny claims and cancel policies? It might be tempting to put the whole thing down to what the historian Richard Hofstadter back in the 1960s called "the paranoid style" of American politics, in which God, guns and race get mixed into a toxic stew of resentment at anything coming out of Washington. But that would be a mistake. If people vote against their own interests, it is not because they do not understand what is in their interest or have not yet had it properly explained to them. They do it because they resent having their interests decided for them by politicians who think they know best. There is nothing voters hate more than having things explained to them as though they were idiots. As the saying goes, in politics, when you are explaining, you are losing. And that makes anything as complex or as messy as healthcare reform a very hard sell. Stories not facts In his book The Political Brain, psychologist Drew Westen, an exasperated Democrat, tried to show why the Right often wins the argument even when the Left is confident that it has the facts on its side. He uses the following exchange from the first presidential debate between Al Gore and George Bush in 2000 to illustrate the perils of trying to explain to voters what will make them better off: Gore: "Under the governor's plan, if you kept the same fee for service that you have now under Medicare, your premiums would go up by between 18% and 47%, and that is the study of the Congressional plan that he's modelled his proposal on by the Medicare actuaries." Bush: "Look, this is a man who has great numbers. He talks about numbers. "I'm beginning to think not only did he invent the internet, but he invented the calculator. It's fuzzy math. It's trying to scare people in the voting booth." Mr Gore was talking sense and Mr Bush nonsense - but Mr Bush won the debate. With statistics, the voters just hear a patronising policy wonk, and switch off. For Mr Westen, stories always trump statistics, which means the politician with the best stories is going to win: "One of the fallacies that politicians often have on the Left is that things are obvious, when they are not obvious. "Obama's administration made a tremendous mistake by not immediately branding the economic collapse that we had just had as the Republicans' Depression, caused by the Bush administration's ideology of unregulated greed. The result is that now people blame him." Reverse revolution Thomas Frank, the author of the best-selling book What's The Matter with Kansas, is an even more exasperated Democrat and he goes further than Mr Westen. He believes that the voters' preference for emotional engagement over reasonable argument has allowed the Republican Party to blind them to their own real interests. The Republicans have learnt how to stoke up resentment against the patronising liberal elite, all those do-gooders who assume they know what poor people ought to be thinking. Right-wing politics has become a vehicle for channelling this popular anger against intellectual snobs. The result is that many of America's poorest citizens have a deep emotional attachment to a party that serves the interests of its richest. Thomas Frank says that whatever disadvantaged Americans think they are voting for, they get something quite different: "You vote to strike a blow against elitism and you receive a social order in which wealth is more concentrated than ever before in our life times, workers have been stripped of power, and CEOs are rewarded in a manner that is beyond imagining. "It's like a French Revolution in reverse in which the workers come pouring down the street screaming more power to the aristocracy." As Mr Frank sees it, authenticity has replaced economics as the driving force of modern politics. The authentic politicians are the ones who sound like they are speaking from the gut, not the cerebral cortex. Of course, they might be faking it, but it is no joke to say that in contemporary politics, if you can fake sincerity, you have got it made. And the ultimate sin in modern politics is appearing to take the voters for granted. This is a culture war but it is not simply being driven by differences over abortion, or religion, or patriotism. And it is not simply Red states vs. Blue states any more. It is a war on the entire political culture, on the arrogance of politicians, on their slipperiness and lack of principle, on their endless deal making and compromises. And when the politicians say to the people protesting: 'But we're doing this for you', that just makes it worse. In fact, that seems to be what makes them angriest of all. Interesting piece. I'm often bemused when I see people acting... well, I won't say idiotically here even though that's what I often think. Like, playing the lottery or gambling in general: In the long run the house always wins so in one sense no gamblers ever win anything, on average. Fair enough, some people like gambling so good luck to them. It's sad to see emotive rhetoric overwhelm reasoned debate come election time. Here, the last election John Howard won was won in an atmosphere of extreme hype over refugees arriving by boat. The zeitgeist was very much xenophobia thinly disguised as the perceived national interest with a liberal splash of curmudgeonly sticking to the letter of the law, succinctly and unforgettably put by Howard: "We will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come." The nonsensical thing about it was, and still is to the extent the issue is still (?) hyped by the media, that the number of refugees arriving in this manner are a ridiculously small fraction of our quota.
Afronaught Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 29 Jan 2010, 21:44 · [Salvaged from Archive] It's a simple case of devide and conquer
mousewallrat Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 29 Jan 2010, 21:46 · [Salvaged from Archive] Yes, yes, we hate for politicians to tell us what's best for us, but it's okey-dokey for this idiot to tell us instead. Well, best get back to my tea-baggin'.:thumb: Barely supressed violence my ass. I'll fucking kill him. He really patronises anyone who doesn't support their Obamacare bill. Ohhh, if only we were smart enough to know what we oughtta do.
MontysDouble Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 29 Jan 2010, 21:46 · [Salvaged from Archive] At Afro's comment: Yeah- could put it that way I guess. Anger and fear trumps reason. :( Mousewall, it's not nice to dangle one's nutsack in a sleeping mate's face, no matter how drunk he is. But it is pretty funny. :thumb:
HeyBuddy Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 30 Jan 2010, 20:29 · [Salvaged from Archive] Here's what you need to understand. Our Constitution allows certain powers to the Federal Government. All other powers are that are not given to the Federal Government, and not prohibited to the states are the responsibility of the states. That's the 10th amendment in a nutshell. Massachusetts wanted a government run health care system, and they have it. It's run by the State Government. Not every state wants that, and the Federal Government does not have the Constitutional authority to do so. If they go ahead and do it anyway, Massachusetts would have to comply with Federal standards and so would the states that don't want ANY intervention. You would get a blanket system for the entire country, and lets face it. Not all states are created equally.
mousewallrat Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 30 Jan 2010, 22:49 · [Salvaged from Archive] Here's what you need to understand. Our Constitution allows certain powers to the Federal Government. All other powers are that are not given to the Federal Government, and not prohibited to the states are the responsibility of the states. That's the 10th amendment in a nutshell. Massachusetts wanted a government run health care system, and they have it. It's run by the State Government. Not every state wants that, and the Federal Government does not have the Constitutional authority to do so. If they go ahead and do it anyway, Massachusetts would have to comply with Federal standards and so would the states that don't want ANY intervention. You would get a blanket system for the entire country, and lets face it. Not all states are created equally. Well yeah...like he says: Florida has retired people an' alligators. Montana has beautiful mountains and great fishing. Detroit has rust...and well, that's all they have. California has faggots. And crossdressers. And Trannys. And well, that shit just isn't all equal.
ceehound619 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 31 Jan 2010, 01:15 · [Salvaged from Archive] :drunknow:
Vick3 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 1 Feb 2010, 15:01 · [Salvaged from Archive] You'd have to be the biggest undeducated Marxist around to fall for husseins health care bill horse shit and whoever mentioned zeitsgeist, just lol@ even mentioning the most rediculous video made. well the march of penguins competes with it
mousewallrat Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 1 Feb 2010, 15:15 · [Salvaged from Archive] You'd have to be the biggest undeducated Marxist around to fall for husseins health care bill horse shit and whoever mentioned zeitsgeist, just lol@ even mentioning the most rediculous video made. well the march of penguins competes with it YOu have to admit, those penguins are some tough motherfuckers. Balls of steel, have they.
Nanabunga Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 1 Feb 2010, 15:23 · [Salvaged from Archive] Who mentioned zeitsgeist?
MontysDouble Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 1 Feb 2010, 16:22 · [Salvaged from Archive] ^^^ I did: ... Here, the last election John Howard won was won in an atmosphere of extreme hype over refugees arriving by boat. The zeitgeist was very much xenophobia thinly disguised as the perceived national interest with a liberal splash of curmudgeonly sticking to the letter of the law, succinctly and unforgettably put by Howard: "We will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come." ... Vick3, I mentioned zeitgeist, not Zeitgeist. It's an actual word meaning 'spirit of the times.' I wasn't aware it also is a "rediculous video." Now, how is Obama's health care reform bill flawed Vick3? I'm all ears.
Supplemental Persona Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 14:24 · [Salvaged from Archive] Remember those famous words, "ur doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" Within a few days the man tossed ol Brownie under the proverbial bus. The same thing is going to happen to the freshman Senator from MA, he's fiercely independent and will eventually go against the republicans, at that time they'll label him a rino and work to find someone further right for that Senate seat. rino, for our international members, is a cop out term where the republicans attempt to ditch ownership of republicans that are not in lock step with their party. But make no mistake the so called rino is elected by the majority of republicans, much like they fell behind McCain in 08.
Vick3 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 14:42 · [Salvaged from Archive] ^^^ I did: Vick3, I mentioned zeitgeist, not Zeitgeist. It's an actual word meaning 'spirit of the times.' I wasn't aware it also is a "rediculous video." Now, how is Obama's health care reform bill flawed Vick3? I'm all ears. http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ i wasnt aware it meant 'spirit of the times' but as far as the health care bill goes, maybe you didnt see my comment, on how i think its a start of Marxism in the US. well when the government took over GM, that was the start of Marxism.
Supplemental Persona Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 15:00 · [Salvaged from Archive] http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ i wasnt aware it meant 'spirit of the times' but as far as the health care bill goes, maybe you didnt see my comment, on how i think its a start of Marxism in the US. well when the government took over GM, that was the start of Marxism. What about the many numbers of banks seized by the US government over the years?
tgd_02 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 15:18 · [Salvaged from Archive] why? tradition localities entity (or identification) fear mudkipz lololololololol
tgd_02 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 15:23 · [Salvaged from Archive] http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ i wasnt aware it meant 'spirit of the times' but as far as the health care bill goes, maybe you didnt see my comment, on how i think its a start of Marxism in the US. well when the government took over GM, that was the start of Marxism. omfg shut the fuck up there is no godamn marxism evolving in this country why? lobbies that control/pay/manipulate those we put to "represent" us plus corporations that will fight behind the curtains to MAINTAIN their business separate from too much government involvement plus, the fact that new shitty bill passed which allows corp. sponsorship for candidates how in the shit is this moving towards marxism? i think u people need to grasp the fucking context and steps that it takes in order for a country to fall under a marxist regime or a marxist economy
Supplemental Persona Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 15:38 · [Salvaged from Archive] omfg shut the fuck up there is no godamn marxism evolving in this country why? lobbies that control/pay/manipulate those we put to "represent" us plus corporations that will fight behind the curtains to MAINTAIN their business separate from too much government involvement plus, the fact that new shitty bill passed which allows corp. sponsorship for candidates how in the shit is this moving towards marxism? i think u people need to grasp the fucking context and steps that it takes in order for a country to fall under a marxist regime or a marxist economy Go easy one him, essé, his preferred media source is only giving him one side of the story and doesn't encourage free thinking. :thumb:
tgd_02 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 15:43 · [Salvaged from Archive] Go easy one him, essé, his preferred media source is only giving him one side of the story and doesn't encourage free thinking. :thumb: dude i guess but i just face fucking palm when people say "o shit! obama is a socialist, he is pushing a marxist doctrine down our throats!!!" SOCIALISM IS NOT MARXISM THEY ARE 2 ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT FUCK TURN OFF THE NEWS AND READ A BOOK
Supplemental Persona Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 15:46 · [Salvaged from Archive] dude i guess but i just face fucking palm when people say "o shit! obama is a socialist, he is pushing a marxist doctrine down our throats!!!" SOCIALISM IS NOT MARXISM THEY ARE 2 ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT FUCK TURN OFF THE NEWS AND READ A BOOK :thumb: I like to watch rant a bit especially about the bank bailout (tarp), socialism etc. and then point out that the bank bailout was under a different administration, which happened to be a different party. It's a good way to be hated and I love being hated. :rofl:
tgd_02 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 15:52 · [Salvaged from Archive] :thumb: I like to watch rant a bit especially about the bank bailout (tarp), socialism etc. and then point out that the bank bailout was under a different administration, which happened to be a different party. It's a good way to be hated and I love being hated. :rofl: yea people are godamn morons talking about all this govt spending under obama wen it was the bush administration that left him with a huge spending bill, after the first half of the economic bill to help the bank industry "dissapeared" yea...i think it was around $500 billion under the bush administration that didnt last a fuckin month before it got sucked into companies with no oversight of the spending and now: hussein fucking obama has done SHIT to at least try to instill oversight into the spending of the rest of the money given to him from the bush admin. its a godamn circus man
Vick3 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 18:51 · [Salvaged from Archive] omfg shut the fuck up there is no godamn marxism evolving in this country why? lobbies that control/pay/manipulate those we put to "represent" us plus corporations that will fight behind the curtains to MAINTAIN their business separate from too much government involvement plus, the fact that new shitty bill passed which allows corp. sponsorship for candidates how in the shit is this moving towards marxism? i think u people need to grasp the fucking context and steps that it takes in order for a country to fall under a marxist regime or a marxist economy government controlled corporations is a good step towards marxism, and thats all i pointed out. simmer down capitalism is a step of marxism, voluntary exploitation of the lower class. theres only been one war. thats been the class war, dont forget that.
Vick3 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 18:58 · [Salvaged from Archive] dude i guess but i just face fucking palm when people say "o shit! obama is a socialist, he is pushing a marxist doctrine down our throats!!!" SOCIALISM IS NOT MARXISM THEY ARE 2 ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT FUCK TURN OFF THE NEWS AND READ A BOOK marxism isnt a form of government its a theory. socialism is a form of government. i havent said anything to confuse the two. would require hundreds of threads to debate marxism with any number of types of governments. get a grip dude.
tgd_02 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 19:34 · [Salvaged from Archive] government controlled corporations is a good step towards marxism, and thats all i pointed out. simmer down capitalism is a step of marxism, voluntary exploitation of the lower class. theres only been one war. thats been the class war, dont forget that. yea and wheres the growing proof that corps are controlled anymore now than they were under republican rule? o there isnt any capitalism has cycles as well remember the great depression? the japanese recession? yea and the world economy still bounced back, i dont see how a failing market is a sign or step towards marxism (in the world we live now), i see it as a part of the cycle that capitalism goes through and i like that comment about the class war but i dont agree with it i dont think theres many countries that ID the middle class the same way we do here in all honesty it seems that in our culture and the development of this current country has erased "the middle class" marxism isnt a form of government its a theory. socialism is a form of government. i havent said anything to confuse the two. would require hundreds of threads to debate marxism with any number of types of governments. get a grip dude. calm down woman i was talking about political pundits its your problem if you immediately identified yourself wit wat i was saying
Echo1 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 19:35 · [Salvaged from Archive] this thread is lewl. politics are gay. kill.
tgd_02 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 19:37 · [Salvaged from Archive] this thread is lewl. politics are gay. kill. im only here for your american money to be quickly invested in toxic assests and ill be on my way
Echo1 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 19:39 · [Salvaged from Archive] im only here for your american money to be quickly invested in toxic assests and ill be on my way like all the other mexibeaners. i thought you bastards were jumpin ship once the economy went down hill. the fuck are you still doin here? go back to your hut.
tgd_02 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 19:40 · [Salvaged from Archive] like all the other mexibeaners. yeap us and the investors at wall street cuz americans, like the rest of the world, never learn from history :rasta:
tgd_02 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 19:43 · [Salvaged from Archive] btw i dont think a single hispanic "jumped ship" wen the economy went down the shitter thanks to your own fellow countrymen, we suffered as much as other people did idiot
Echo1 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 19:44 · [Salvaged from Archive] it were a yoke, homes.
tgd_02 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 19:46 · [Salvaged from Archive] it were a yoke, homes. everything usually is in someones perspective anyway
Echo1 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 19:50 · [Salvaged from Archive] meh... here. http://darkstar.typepad.com/photos/ladies/boobs.JPG
tgd_02 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 19:51 · [Salvaged from Archive] tits=win
MontysDouble Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 5 Feb 2010, 04:56 · [Salvaged from Archive] http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ i wasnt aware it meant 'spirit of the times' but as far as the health care bill goes, maybe you didnt see my comment, on how i think its a start of Marxism in the US. well when the government took over GM, that was the start of Marxism. So some time next year Obama will foment a proletarian revolution then? :rolleyes2: The GM bailout had nothing to do with the elimiantion of private ownership of capital. Whatever is eventually passed into law on health care reform will likewise not see private hospitals nationalised nor health insurance companies banned. Well done Vick- it's rare indeed to provoke TGD to such an outbreak of eloquence: omfg shut the fuck up there is no godamn marxism evolving in this country why? lobbies that control/pay/manipulate those we put to "represent" us plus corporations that will fight behind the curtains to MAINTAIN their business separate from too much government involvement plus, the fact that new shitty bill passed which allows corp. sponsorship for candidates how in the shit is this moving towards marxism? i think u people need to grasp the fucking context and steps that it takes in order for a country to fall under a marxist regime or a marxist economyVery well put TGD. :thumb:
Supplemental Persona Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 5 Feb 2010, 07:42 · [Salvaged from Archive] meh... here. http://darkstar.typepad.com/photos/ladies/boobs.JPG Best post in thread. You should will doritos or something.
MontysDouble Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 5 Feb 2010, 13:48 · [Salvaged from Archive] Best post in thread. You should will doritos or something. http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/DustDevil75/my_b…
HeyBuddy Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 07:35 · [Salvaged from Archive] omfg shut the fuck up there is no godamn marxism evolving in this country why? lobbies that control/pay/manipulate those we put to "represent" us plus corporations that will fight behind the curtains to MAINTAIN their business separate from too much government involvement plus, the fact that new shitty bill passed which allows corp. sponsorship for candidates how in the shit is this moving towards marxism? i think u people need to grasp the fucking context and steps that it takes in order for a country to fall under a marxist regime or a marxist economy That "BILL" had nothing to do with our elected officials. It was not a bill at all, but a Supreme Court decision. Sorry TGD, but I had to throw that in there. So some time next year Obama will foment a proletarian revolution then? :rolleyes2: The GM bailout had nothing to do with the elimiantion of private ownership of capital. Whatever is eventually passed into law on health care reform will likewise not see private hospitals nationalised nor health insurance companies banned. Well done Vick- it's rare indeed to provoke TGD to such an outbreak of eloquence: Very well put TGD. :thumb: The GM bailout transferred a controlling share of ownership to the government, and also to the Unions. It broke contracts with the bond holders, who had rights to ownership. The government executed the bailout under the context that it would help GM avoid bankruptcy. They still filed bankruptcy. On the other hand, Ford was in bad shape and they didn't want to be part of the bailout. They didn't end up filing bankruptcy, and are in fact doing very well right now. Their performance is well above that of GM or Chrysler, and they are still publicly owned and traded. Whereas GM had their CEO run out by the government and replaced by an under-qualified candidate that was hand picked by government officials, and broke agreements with bond holders that are essential, Ford did it the right way.
tgd_02 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 18:13 · [Salvaged from Archive] That "BILL" had nothing to do with our elected officials. It was not a bill at all, but a Supreme Court decision. Sorry TGD, but I had to throw that in there. yeh mah bad ur rite but still it aint a good direction to go man not at all *shakes head sadly
ceehound619 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 18:17 · [Salvaged from Archive] btw i dont think a single hispanic "jumped ship" wen the economy went down t u aint from spain.... therfore u aint a "hispanic".... u a mexican....whether u like it or not. /end
tgd_02 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 18:19 · [Salvaged from Archive] u aint from spain.... therfore u aint a "hispanic".... u a mexican....whether u like it or not. /end LOL stupid old man stupid stupid stupid HAHAHAHAHA WOW didnt think u were that dumb let me correct u ur thinking SPANISH not hispanic HAHAHAHA STUPID ASS BITCH go rep ya hood moar, weak fake wigger
ceehound619 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 18:21 · [Salvaged from Archive] not my fault you all made "mexican" a bad word.....hispanic sounds a lot prettier then the ugly truth dont it?
tgd_02 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 18:22 · [Salvaged from Archive] not my fault you all made "mexican" a bad word.....hispanic sounds a lot prettier then the ugly truth dont it? :rofl: nah i cant say shit to help u recover from that last clear display of your stupidity gg for the laugh pussy, gg
ceehound619 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 18:25 · [Salvaged from Archive] :rofl: nah i cant say shit to help u recover from that last clear display of your stupidity gg for the laugh pussy, gg hispanic indicates origins from spain... which u aint got. /end His·pan·ic (hĭ-spān'ĭk) http://sp.ask.com/dictstatic/g/d/dictionary_questionbutto… (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) adj. Of or relating to Spain or Spanish-speaking Latin America.
tgd_02 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 18:26 · [Salvaged from Archive] hispanic indicates origins from spain... which u aint got. /end His·pan·ic (hĭ-spān'ĭk) http://sp.ask.com/dictstatic/g/d/dictionary_questionbutto… (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) adj. Of or relating to Spain or Spanish-speaking Latin America. OMFG HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA U JUST FUCKING PROVED ME RIGHT!!!! U STUPID STUPID BITCH!!!!!1 HAHAHAHAHAHA
ceehound619 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 18:28 · [Salvaged from Archive] u aint from latin america.... u and yur folks from mexico... end
tgd_02 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 18:29 · [Salvaged from Archive] OMFG HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHA tell u wat man, if u want ill check and edit ur posts for sheer stupidity so u dont look like such an uneducated dumbfuck nah fuck it its hilarious HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ceehound619 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 18:29 · [Salvaged from Archive] hey... lets end this beef..... let me buy ya a beer....... no ulterior motives at all...... deal..?(cept u gotta mow my lawn, clean my house, and sell me a few oranges)
tgd_02 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 18:31 · [Salvaged from Archive] wow so offensive and original o shit WHITETEXT FUCKING INNOVATOR!!! hahahaHHAhahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAH lolololololololololololol
ceehound619 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 18:35 · [Salvaged from Archive] like your mom..... lols were had.
boo_cocky Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 20:19 · [Salvaged from Archive] Oh looky looky...the two wanna be niggers of FC are having a war...who's winning? Nobody. But, the English language is losing. I don't know what's sadder...the fact that tidgy claims he went to college...or, that Cee is 41 years old and talks just as fucking retarded as the wannabe tidgy does. Why don't you both go fuck yourselves...better yet, schedule a card game to prove who's better, and you can both make up lame excuses why neither one of you showed up...hahahaha faggots.
Afronaught Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 20:27 · [Salvaged from Archive] Popcorn, I haz it
ceehound619 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 20:31 · [Salvaged from Archive] schedule a card game to prove who's better,. fuckin card game fetish havin fayget/the end
boo_cocky Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 20:33 · [Salvaged from Archive] fuckin card game fetish havin fayget/the end Ya think? Figurin' I don't know how to play cards, that's a pretty bold assumption, Cee. But, you keep misspelling words, acting gangstah and fetishing over underrage kids like the pedophile that you are...I'm sure no one will notice. :thumb:
Afronaught Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 20:34 · [Salvaged from Archive] Lets have a circle jerk... I get to eat the cookie ok...
Echo1 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 20:52 · [Salvaged from Archive] god dammit afro. i seriously fucking hate you so much.
MontysDouble Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 20:55 · [Salvaged from Archive] Nah... it's more fun watching Cee eat crow. :D
ceehound619 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 21:08 · [Salvaged from Archive] Nah... it's more fun watching Cee eat crow. :D if u think that is whats happening then maybe I give u 2 much credit sometime.
ceehound619 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 21:08 · [Salvaged from Archive] Ya think? Figurin' I don't know how to play cards, that's a pretty bold assumption, Cee. But, you keep misspelling words, acting gangstah and fetishing over underrage kids like the pedophile that you are...I'm sure no one will notice. :thumb: i do whud i wan....dis my house bich.
boo_cocky Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 21:26 · [Salvaged from Archive] i do whud i wan....dis my house bich. rly? c i kin do dat 2...u n tidgy aint teh onry 1's hoo kin prtnd 2 b gnagstah, wannabez u hous iz a dumpsta n u aint hakd shit, mouth
ceehound619 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 21:30 · [Salvaged from Archive] prtnd 2 b gnagstah, I don pretend nigga.........foe clarificationz...... im gonna bump my definition ov an og thread.
MontysDouble Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 21:44 · [Salvaged from Archive] if u think that is whats happening then maybe I give u 2 much credit sometime.:rofl: Well, TGD did serve you a heaping helping over your misunderstanding of 'Hispanic.' Go on- try it, you might like it. :D
ceehound619 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 21:44 · [Salvaged from Archive] :rofl: Well, TGD did serve you a heaping helping over your misunderstanding of 'Hispanic.' Go on- try it, you might like it. :D we agree to disagree.
Afronaught Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 21:46 · [Salvaged from Archive] Can I be a nigga too... I can haz a ghetto booty.... I gan be a low rida,, I ride real low.. with my booty in the air Am I doing it rite...
ceehound619 Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 21:47 · [Salvaged from Archive] Can I be a nigga too... I can haz a ghetto booty.... I gan be a low rida,, I ride real low.. with my booty in the air Am I doing it rite.. naw nigga.... only tru's lyke me...... go read my "definition of an og" thread..... den tell me how menny things u dun lyke dat.
Afronaught Salvaged from Archive	Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 21:51 · [Salvaged from Archive] Can you spot Afronaught???? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CoN-0dL6_hY/SOqoo45qvzI/AAAAAAA…