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verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 09:51 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I don't get what the problem is. They are responsible for making many medical break throughs they test products for us to keep us safe and best of all we can make belts jackets and shoes. I mean the same people who use the benefit of animal testing are the same ones complaining. Did you complain when you ought your leather shoes? I don't get it. Hails do you care to explain in a non threatening manner? I doub tit but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt. |
Snuff.
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 09:55 · [Salvaged from Archive]
You can't defend vivisection as being ethical. Inducing Parkinson's disease in animals for the benefit of testing new treatments, for example, just don't swing it morally.
Not to say I have a problem with it, but I can see why people feel passionately about it. I see anti-vivisectionists the same way I see extreme catholic pro-lifers. :lol: Bless 'em, they can't help it. |
Avaloner
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 09:57 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Maybe for medical use, when you extract poision of a snake to make an anditote but not for fur or something other. |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 09:58 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Never said anything about it being ethical. |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 10:02 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I havent read you post only a little Right
You have NOT seen vids where they are just being knocked on the head there not even fucking dead n there cutting there fucking Fur off
FUCKING SICK , SICK , SICK GET A FUCKING LIFE
By the way you might want to make sure I have'nt seen the videos you claim I mean you're so sure of it. In fact my dear know-everything I've seen those videos more than once. Have you seen the one where they rip out the cows trechea and let it just go nuts in its pen until it dies at the meat pocessing centers? Don't think I don't feel bad for them thats irrelevent. If they could drug em up first that would be better. But they don't so its better just to ignore it. |
Overlord
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 10:08 · [Salvaged from Archive]
The question is inflammatory in nature. The question was not defined enough. Using an Ox to pull my plow and I feed him is very ethical and benefical to both parties. Torturing an animal for testing women's makeup is a very different story. By which did you mean in your poll question? |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 10:17 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Mostly animal testing medical research and for clothing. Sorry about the vagueness. |
cheese muffin
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 11:27 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I don't get what the problem is. They are responsible for making many medical break throughs they test products for us to keep us safe and best of all we can make belts jackets and shoes. I mean the same people who use the benefit of animal testing are the same ones complaining. Did you complain when you ought your leather shoes? I don't get it. Hails do you care to explain in a non threatening manner? I doub tit but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
HUMANS DO NOT OWN EVERYTHING ON THE EARTH. WE'RE JUST ANOTHER SPECIES INHABITING IT.
And dont call me a hypocrite again you naive little whore. all of my shampoo, clearly says "not tested on animals". and all my leather isnt genuine its FAKE.
Someone should cut off you're fatass leg, and turn it into a feeding trough for pigs. dumbass bitch. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 11:39 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I don't get what the problem is. They are responsible for making many medical break throughs they test products for us to keep us safe and best of all we can make belts jackets and shoes. I mean the same people who use the benefit of animal testing are the same ones complaining. Did you complain when you ought your leather shoes? I don't get it. Hails do you care to explain in a non threatening manner? I doub tit but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
HUMANS DO NOT OWN EVERYTHING ON THE EARTH. WE'RE JUST ANOTHER SPECIES INHABITING IT.
And dont call me a hypocrite again you naive little whore. all of my shampoo, clearly says "not tested on animals". and all my leather isnt genuine its FAKE.
Someone should cut off you're fatass leg, and turn it into a feeding trough for pigs. dumbass bitch. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Humans don't own everything on Earth huh? You ARE a fucking hypcrit something you are using is at the expense of an animal. Tell me how i'm naive again? Oh you can't causeyou just made it up. So you never wear leather anything? Im guessing you don't eat meat either. Right well can you calm down with the stupid smiley's theyre almost as dumb as the things you say. Not quite but almost. |
Rocker Kid
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 11:43 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I do not aprove of animal testing for make up and shampoos.... I do approve of medicon and health care.
I do approve of eating meat but not if it's living or an endangered species.
I do approve of leather and certain furs... no endangered species I think the animal should be dead before they do it.
I do not approve of animals being hunted for nothing. Just kill it and it's dead. If you hunt eat the meat, use the fur somhow, hang the antlers ect don't waste it... No endangered species I hate that... BUt you should only hunt if you need the food...
I can't take one side or the other... |
Quackers
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 11:59 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Im against:
Animal testing for medical and other products Its effectivly torturing animals for human greed.
Killing animals for food (I eat meat at the moment so im a hypocrit, but intend to change this when I leave home)
Killing animals for clothing, using their skin once the animal is dead though is fine. As is eating their meat.
Foxhunting or killing animals for recreational problems.
It seems vile to me that humans would mistreat other animals for their personal gain. I personally dont think humans are 'worth' more than animals.
I didnt expect VK to have a problem with torturing and slaughtering animals, because she is a rather vile person. |
tgd_02
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 11:59 · [Salvaged from Archive]
i...dont ...know......*drinks water |
cheese muffin
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 12:06 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I don't get what the problem is. They are responsible for making many medical break throughs they test products for us to keep us safe and best of all we can make belts jackets and shoes. I mean the same people who use the benefit of animal testing are the same ones complaining. Did you complain when you ought your leather shoes? I don't get it. Hails do you care to explain in a non threatening manner? I doub tit but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
HUMANS DO NOT OWN EVERYTHING ON THE EARTH. WE'RE JUST ANOTHER SPECIES INHABITING IT.
And dont call me a hypocrite again you naive little whore. all of my shampoo, clearly says "not tested on animals". and all my leather isnt genuine its FAKE.
Someone should cut off you're fatass leg, and turn it into a feeding trough for pigs. dumbass bitch. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Humans don't own everything on Earth huh? You ARE a fucking hypcrit something you are using is at the expense of an animal. Tell me how i'm naive again? Oh you can't causeyou just made it up. So you never wear leather anything? Im guessing you don't eat meat either. Right well can you calm down with the stupid smiley's theyre almost as dumb as the things you say. Not quite but almost.
open your fucking eyes and ears. tell me. what was the last thing i used at the expense of the animal that wasnt absolutely necessary? hm? tell me.
sure i eat meat. but only because thats PART OF THE ECOSYSTEM. FOOD CHAIN. etc etc.... me eating the meat of a chicken is just like a hyena eating the meat of a gazelle. we eat because it is part of life.
and i do wear FAKE leather. NOT LEATHER THAT WAS MADE BY SLAUGHTERING PIGS.
you're a naive little bitch, because you refuse to see the way that you enjoy you're ludicrous life of fur and leather. you simply turn you're fat head and pretend you didnt see it. fatass bitch. go lose weight. |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 12:19 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I don't get what the problem is. They are responsible for making many medical break throughs they test products for us to keep us safe and best of all we can make belts jackets and shoes. I mean the same people who use the benefit of animal testing are the same ones complaining. Did you complain when you ought your leather shoes? I don't get it. Hails do you care to explain in a non threatening manner? I doub tit but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
HUMANS DO NOT OWN EVERYTHING ON THE EARTH. WE'RE JUST ANOTHER SPECIES INHABITING IT.
And dont call me a hypocrite again you naive little whore. all of my shampoo, clearly says "not tested on animals". and all my leather isnt genuine its FAKE.
Someone should cut off you're fatass leg, and turn it into a feeding trough for pigs. dumbass bitch. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Humans don't own everything on Earth huh? You ARE a fucking hypcrit something you are using is at the expense of an animal. Tell me how i'm naive again? Oh you can't causeyou just made it up. So you never wear leather anything? Im guessing you don't eat meat either. Right well can you calm down with the stupid smiley's theyre almost as dumb as the things you say. Not quite but almost.
open your fucking eyes and ears. tell me. what was the last thing i used at the expense of the animal that wasnt absolutely necessary? hm? tell me.
sure i eat meat. but only because thats PART OF THE ECOSYSTEM. FOOD CHAIN. etc etc.... me eating the meat of a chicken is just like a hyena eating the meat of a gazelle. we eat because it is part of life.
and i do wear FAKE leather. NOT LEATHER THAT WAS MADE BY SLAUGHTERING PIGS.
you're a naive little bitch, because you refuse to see the way that you enjoy you're ludicrous life of fur and leather. you simply turn you're fat head and pretend you didnt see it. fatass bitch. go lose weight.
Well our conversation is now coming to an end because well you're an idiot. Im not trying to have a flame war with you persay. You are a hypocrit you claim you're all pro animal yet you eat meat. Stop half assing and stand for something. Your example of me being naive is not an example of naivity. I don't know what it was supposed to show besides your own ignorance. I have seen it and I don't give a flying fuck. I've watched the little stupid Peta propoganda videos and all it did was gross me out. The point is I don't care, I wish they wouldnt have to feel pain as they were being skinned but thats not life is it? life is hard and full of unfairness. Animals can start owning the world too when they go out and get jobs pay taxes and run for office. Until then, you pathetic fucking worm, you can shut your fucking mouth and stop being such a whiney little pussy.
I don't support mindless hunting.
I don't support the torture of animals with no purpose.
I do support animal testing
Sorry if you don't like it, you'd better get over it real quick. Not everyone is going to agree with you, you fucking pussy. You're worse than a scientologist. Whenever someone someone doesn't agree with you here come the insults, grow up you fucking baby. |
Quackers
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 12:28 · [Salvaged from Archive]
VK, you seem to care for nothing but yourself.
Oneday your greed and selfishness will come back and smack you in the face. I hope it gives everyone else a damn good laugh. |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 12:39 · [Salvaged from Archive]
VK, you seem to care for nothing but yourself.
Oneday your greed and selfishness will come back and smack you in the face. I hope it gives everyone else a damn good laugh.
Yes, it certainly seems that way. I care about humans, animals can wait once we deal with the starving in Africa, the poverty and orphans in the Ukraine and the the impending doom in the Middle East. Once all that gets straight, then animals can be taken care of. Again, you might want to know a little more about me before claiming how selfish I am. Well I hope one day that you become more open to other people's opinion, I didn't claim you were a fag for liking anal. For one I dont think theres anything wrong with men liking anal but if I did I've got enough respect for your opinion to not judge you on one fact. Clearly, you don't. |
Overlord
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 12:43 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Take your self-righteous back to the cave Troll. |
cheese muffin
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 12:52 · [Salvaged from Archive]
VK, you seem to care for nothing but yourself.
Oneday your greed and selfishness will come back and smack you in the face. I hope it gives everyone else a damn good laugh.
Yes, it certainly seems that way. I care about humans, animals can wait once we deal with the starving in Africa, the poverty and orphans in the Ukraine and the the impending doom in the Middle East. Once all that gets straight, then animals can be taken care of. Again, you might want to know a little more about me before claiming how selfish I am. Well I hope one day that you become more open to other people's opinion, I didn't claim you were a fag for liking anal. For one I dont think theres anything wrong with men liking anal but if I did I've got enough respect for your opinion to not judge you on one fact. Clearly, you don't.
can i borrow this for a second overlord?http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h313/dizzle32/19a98c16.jpg
where is the respect? all i hear is "im right, you're wrong"
maybe you and evil conservative, should get together. |
andrexote
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 13:50 · [Salvaged from Archive]
VK, you seem to care for nothing but yourself.
Oneday your greed and selfishness will come back and smack you in the face. I hope it gives everyone else a damn good laugh.
Yes, it certainly seems that way. I care about humans, animals can wait once we deal with the starving in Africa, the poverty and orphans in the Ukraine and the the impending doom in the Middle East. Once all that gets straight, then animals can be taken care of. .
u cant pledge to save childrens at the cost of the animals, it isnt rational to cover a mistake(animal hunting) for taking care of another(childs starving), cause we solved that problem with money of the mistake wich isnt right...we wont be able to solve the next mistake we made with the help of another
it is like a vice, if u leave smoke, u need another vice...thats to cover a mistake, that it wont never help
(damn i hope i had been clear)
...hmm where i can found these shampoo's.....any special brand? |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 14:03 · [Salvaged from Archive]
VK, you seem to care for nothing but yourself.
Oneday your greed and selfishness will come back and smack you in the face. I hope it gives everyone else a damn good laugh.
Yes, it certainly seems that way. I care about humans, animals can wait once we deal with the starving in Africa, the poverty and orphans in the Ukraine and the the impending doom in the Middle East. Once all that gets straight, then animals can be taken care of. Again, you might want to know a little more about me before claiming how selfish I am. Well I hope one day that you become more open to other people's opinion, I didn't claim you were a fag for liking anal. For one I dont think theres anything wrong with men liking anal but if I did I've got enough respect for your opinion to not judge you on one fact. Clearly, you don't.
can i borrow this for a second overlord?http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h313/dizzle32/19a98c16.jpg
where is the respect? all i hear is "im right, you're wrong"
maybe you and evil conservative, should get together.
I never said you were wrong, you said I was wrong deary. I said you were a hypocrit. I get along quite nicely with EC, thank you. Oh and by the way, I wasn't talking to you, so what I wrote to T Rex applies only to him, not you. You're just a bitch with nothing worthwhile to say. As you've proved SEVERAL times. |
cheese muffin
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 14:08 · [Salvaged from Archive]
VK, you seem to care for nothing but yourself.
Oneday your greed and selfishness will come back and smack you in the face. I hope it gives everyone else a damn good laugh.
Yes, it certainly seems that way. I care about humans, animals can wait once we deal with the starving in Africa, the poverty and orphans in the Ukraine and the the impending doom in the Middle East. Once all that gets straight, then animals can be taken care of. Again, you might want to know a little more about me before claiming how selfish I am. Well I hope one day that you become more open to other people's opinion, I didn't claim you were a fag for liking anal. For one I dont think theres anything wrong with men liking anal but if I did I've got enough respect for your opinion to not judge you on one fact. Clearly, you don't.
can i borrow this for a second overlord?http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h313/dizzle32/19a98c16.jpg
where is the respect? all i hear is "im right, you're wrong"
maybe you and evil conservative, should get together.
I never said you were wrong, you said I was wrong deary. I said you were a hypocrit. I get along quite nicely with EC, thank you. Oh and by the way, I wasn't talking to you, so what I wrote to T Rex applies only to him, not you. You're just a bitch with nothing worthwhile to say. As you've proved SEVERAL times.
its b/c you are wrong. period. every member in this whole friggin forum thinks you're wrong. |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 14:09 · [Salvaged from Archive]
VK, you seem to care for nothing but yourself.
Oneday your greed and selfishness will come back and smack you in the face. I hope it gives everyone else a damn good laugh.
Yes, it certainly seems that way. I care about humans, animals can wait once we deal with the starving in Africa, the poverty and orphans in the Ukraine and the the impending doom in the Middle East. Once all that gets straight, then animals can be taken care of. Again, you might want to know a little more about me before claiming how selfish I am. Well I hope one day that you become more open to other people's opinion, I didn't claim you were a fag for liking anal. For one I dont think theres anything wrong with men liking anal but if I did I've got enough respect for your opinion to not judge you on one fact. Clearly, you don't.
can i borrow this for a second overlord?http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h313/dizzle32/19a98c16.jpg
where is the respect? all i hear is "im right, you're wrong"
maybe you and evil conservative, should get together.
I never said you were wrong, you said I was wrong deary. I said you were a hypocrit. I get along quite nicely with EC, thank you. Oh and by the way, I wasn't talking to you, so what I wrote to T Rex applies only to him, not you. You're just a bitch with nothing worthwhile to say. As you've proved SEVERAL times.
its b/c you are wrong. period. every member in this whole friggin forum thinks you're wrong.
no they dont |
cheese muffin
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 14:13 · [Salvaged from Archive]
VK, you seem to care for nothing but yourself.
Oneday your greed and selfishness will come back and smack you in the face. I hope it gives everyone else a damn good laugh.
Yes, it certainly seems that way. I care about humans, animals can wait once we deal with the starving in Africa, the poverty and orphans in the Ukraine and the the impending doom in the Middle East. Once all that gets straight, then animals can be taken care of. Again, you might want to know a little more about me before claiming how selfish I am. Well I hope one day that you become more open to other people's opinion, I didn't claim you were a fag for liking anal. For one I dont think theres anything wrong with men liking anal but if I did I've got enough respect for your opinion to not judge you on one fact. Clearly, you don't.
can i borrow this for a second overlord?http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h313/dizzle32/19a98c16.jpg
where is the respect? all i hear is "im right, you're wrong"
maybe you and evil conservative, should get together.
I never said you were wrong, you said I was wrong deary. I said you were a hypocrit. I get along quite nicely with EC, thank you. Oh and by the way, I wasn't talking to you, so what I wrote to T Rex applies only to him, not you. You're just a bitch with nothing worthwhile to say. As you've proved SEVERAL times.
its b/c you are wrong. period. every member in this whole friggin forum thinks you're wrong.
no they dont
name one person who agrees with you |
Anony-mous
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 14:15 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Just do us all a favor and stop posting |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 14:20 · [Salvaged from Archive]
VK, you seem to care for nothing but yourself.
Oneday your greed and selfishness will come back and smack you in the face. I hope it gives everyone else a damn good laugh.
Yes, it certainly seems that way. I care about humans, animals can wait once we deal with the starving in Africa, the poverty and orphans in the Ukraine and the the impending doom in the Middle East. Once all that gets straight, then animals can be taken care of. Again, you might want to know a little more about me before claiming how selfish I am. Well I hope one day that you become more open to other people's opinion, I didn't claim you were a fag for liking anal. For one I dont think theres anything wrong with men liking anal but if I did I've got enough respect for your opinion to not judge you on one fact. Clearly, you don't.
can i borrow this for a second overlord?http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h313/dizzle32/19a98c16.jpg
where is the respect? all i hear is "im right, you're wrong"
maybe you and evil conservative, should get together.
I never said you were wrong, you said I was wrong deary. I said you were a hypocrit. I get along quite nicely with EC, thank you. Oh and by the way, I wasn't talking to you, so what I wrote to T Rex applies only to him, not you. You're just a bitch with nothing worthwhile to say. As you've proved SEVERAL times.
its b/c you are wrong. period. every member in this whole friggin forum thinks you're wrong.
no they dont
name one person who agrees with you
Well, you claimed that EVERY SINGLE PERSON on the forum disagrees with me, you cant speak for hundreds of people when only like 10 have posted. Even if none of them agreed with me so what? It's not going to change my opinion. Animals.......hmm just not a priority. Again, not everyone agrees with everyone. If none of you agree with me, I just don't care. I don't take any of these comments seriously and I could care less what any of you think of me or my opinion. Clearly you do care what people think, i've hit a nerve with you and now you've just gone nutty. It's ammusing. |
cheese muffin
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 14:24 · [Salvaged from Archive]
VK, you seem to care for nothing but yourself.
Oneday your greed and selfishness will come back and smack you in the face. I hope it gives everyone else a damn good laugh.
Yes, it certainly seems that way. I care about humans, animals can wait once we deal with the starving in Africa, the poverty and orphans in the Ukraine and the the impending doom in the Middle East. Once all that gets straight, then animals can be taken care of. Again, you might want to know a little more about me before claiming how selfish I am. Well I hope one day that you become more open to other people's opinion, I didn't claim you were a fag for liking anal. For one I dont think theres anything wrong with men liking anal but if I did I've got enough respect for your opinion to not judge you on one fact. Clearly, you don't.
can i borrow this for a second overlord?http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h313/dizzle32/19a98c16.jpg
where is the respect? all i hear is "im right, you're wrong"
maybe you and evil conservative, should get together.
I never said you were wrong, you said I was wrong deary. I said you were a hypocrit. I get along quite nicely with EC, thank you. Oh and by the way, I wasn't talking to you, so what I wrote to T Rex applies only to him, not you. You're just a bitch with nothing worthwhile to say. As you've proved SEVERAL times.
its b/c you are wrong. period. every member in this whole friggin forum thinks you're wrong.
no they dont
name one person who agrees with you
Well, you claimed that EVERY SINGLE PERSON on the forum disagrees with me, you cant speak for hundreds of people when only like 10 have posted. Even if none of them agreed with me so what? It's not going to change my opinion. Animals.......hmm just not a priority. Again, not everyone agrees with everyone. If none of you agree with me, I just don't care. I don't take any of these comments seriously and I could care less what any of you think of me or my opinion. Clearly you do care what people think, i've hit a nerve with you and now you've just gone nutty. It's ammusing.
hmm.... still not hearing that name.... :roll:
bring me a post of an active member that has the same viewpoint as you. |
tgd_02
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 14:35 · [Salvaged from Archive]
LOOK AT ALL THE FUCKING QUOTES BIZZNOTCHES! |
Evil Conservative
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 24 Jul 2006, 18:49 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I agree with her , Cheese Muffin child. Your a kid. What the fuck use is arguing with a kid that doesn't even know what to think in the first place except opinions you overhear.
I wear REAL leather.
I hunt and KILL animals then I eat them BBQ style.
I eat my vegatables too and murder them to eat.
Take that.
You, Muffinboy are a flaming spoiled child. Plain and simple. You are not worthy of arguing with really.
Stop trying to make up for your small penis and attempting to get attention with shameless flames.
You just make yourself known for what you really are. |
Uh oh
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 25 Jul 2006, 00:58 · [Salvaged from Archive]
i'm no PETA member but i sympathize with animals. hey when it comes to medicine it's much better to test on an animal than a human.
personally, i kind of think of zoos as a somewhat bad thing but it was brought to my attention that many of the animals in zoos are put there to be safe from extinction/poaching. otherwise they're just kind of captured to serve human curiosity.
i love meat, i'm against hunting for sport but hunting for food is alright in my books, you're not doing it for very selfish reasons.
animals as clothing is a no, before people needed to kill animals for their fur to stay warm (at least in cold regions of the world) but in today's world there are too many fabrics to use that excuse. wearing a dead animal nowadays represents wealth basically, there's no good reason for it. |
Evil Conservative
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 25 Jul 2006, 01:09 · [Salvaged from Archive]
i'm no PETA member but i sympathize with animals. hey when it comes to medicine it's much better to test on an animal than a human.
personally, i kind of think of zoos as a somewhat bad thing but it was brought to my attention that many of the animals in zoos are put there to be safe from extinction/poaching. otherwise they're just kind of captured to serve human curiosity.
i love meat, i'm against hunting for sport but hunting for food is alright in my books, you're not doing it for very selfish reasons.
animals as clothing is a no, before people needed to kill animals for their fur to stay warm (at least in cold regions of the world) but in today's world there are too many fabrics to use that excuse. wearing a dead animal nowadays represents wealth basically, there's no good reason for it.
I kill nothing without purpose. When I hunt and kill I do get pyschological fun out of "The Hunt", but I eat what I kill and sometimes even use the furs for random things. I have a real leather biker's jacket, real leather shoes...lots of real leather items. I have zero problem with animal skins as clothing. Fur coats and things like that....bah whatever I know I'd never wear them anyway. Most animals are farmed for the purpose of fur coats and such...shame the meat is usually wasted however. Gloves lined with minkskin are nice and warm.
Humans are predatory omnivores. We shall always eat meats and hunt. We were built this way. We are not grazing cattle.
Testing on rats and mice for scientific benifit I have zero problem with as well. They are vermin and are in no way close to extinction. Why should they not be used to benifit the human race? They are lower animals.
I can hear them...the flames...coming. LET THEM COME! :lol: http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/emoticon_blown_b…
http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/emoticon_transfo… |
cheese muffin
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 25 Jul 2006, 07:34 · [Salvaged from Archive]
i'm no PETA member but i sympathize with animals. hey when it comes to medicine it's much better to test on an animal than a human.
personally, i kind of think of zoos as a somewhat bad thing but it was brought to my attention that many of the animals in zoos are put there to be safe from extinction/poaching. otherwise they're just kind of captured to serve human curiosity.
i love meat, i'm against hunting for sport but hunting for food is alright in my books, you're not doing it for very selfish reasons.
animals as clothing is a no, before people needed to kill animals for their fur to stay warm (at least in cold regions of the world) but in today's world there are too many fabrics to use that excuse. wearing a dead animal nowadays represents wealth basically, there's no good reason for it.
I kill nothing without purpose. When I hunt and kill I do get pyschological fun out of "The Hunt", but I eat what I kill and sometimes even use the furs for random things. I have a real leather biker's jacket, real leather shoes...lots of real leather items. I have zero problem with animal skins as clothing. Fur coats and things like that....bah whatever I know I'd never wear them anyway. Most animals are farmed for the purpose of fur coats and such...shame the meat is usually wasted however. Gloves lined with minkskin are nice and warm.
Humans are predatory omnivores. We shall always eat meats and hunt. We were built this way. We are not grazing cattle.
Testing on rats and mice for scientific benifit I have zero problem with as well. They are vermin and are in no way close to extinction. Why should they not be used to benifit the human race? They are lower animals.
I can hear them...the flames...coming. LET THEM COME! :lol: http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/emoticon_blown_b…
http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/emoticon_transfo…
hahahahahaha, wow. i guess there is one person that agrees with VK. well i guess i kinda expected it too be you. you two should get a room :wink: |
Evil Conservative
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 25 Jul 2006, 09:04 · [Salvaged from Archive]
It's not just me and VK. You are not a majority. Your posts are ignorant and childlike. Your points are....what points?
Conclusion... you must be a spoiled little kid or YOUNG adult that just posts to hear his own blabber and thinks he's cool.
Cold hard truth. :twisted: |
Overlord
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 25 Jul 2006, 09:51 · [Salvaged from Archive]
First EC posts the inflamatory "I do everything the total opposite of what you post!!!" then in his second post jumps straight to the personal attack "you must be a spoiled little kid or YOUNG adult that just posts to hear his own blabber and thinks he's cool. "
And you wonder why we don't like talking to you.
And VK, die plz thx. |
cheese muffin
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 25 Jul 2006, 11:22 · [Salvaged from Archive]
It's not just me and VK. You are not a majority. Your posts are ignorant and childlike. Your points are....what points?
Conclusion... you must be a spoiled little kid or YOUNG adult that just posts to hear his own blabber and thinks he's cool.
Cold hard truth. :twisted:
take a look at yourself for a sec. i know ur only a kid. i remember that stupid pic of that mask when we could see the entire you.
you can get off on simply arguing online.
you even pretend to start sentences just insert another insult...
Your points are....what points?
not too mention a teeming obssession with blood and demons, a quote in you're sig that you most likely dont understand. (it just sounded cool didnt it?), plus a racist joke pic. go you. |
Evil Conservative
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 25 Jul 2006, 19:12 · [Salvaged from Archive]
take a look at yourself for a sec. i know ur only a kid. i remember that stupid pic of that mask when we could see the entire you.
you can get off on simply arguing online.
you even pretend to start sentences just insert another insult...
Your points are....what points?
not too mention a teeming obssession with blood and demons, a quote in you're sig that you most likely dont understand. (it just sounded cool didnt it?), plus a racist joke pic. go you.
Me a kid? Sometimes I wish I was younger...then I see people like you and say HELLLLL NO why go back to that ignorant stupidity.
I don't even have to explain my avatar,blood and demons to you. I have in the past, but you can't read that well can you. This is a message board. What happened to your bloated dead penguin avatar?
I know EXACTLY what my signature says. It's in Latin and the second part applys to you. I'm not going to dicipher it for you however. Use your own bird sized brain if you want and try.
My signature picture is in no way racist. It is sarcasitc humor something you are not familiar with. You are only familiar with the cheapest of childlike humor so why bother. Your a little shit. Maybe your daddy or mommy will get on here and ban the site's IP for you once they see all the crap you've posted. :roll: :lol: |
Overlord
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 08:45 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Thanks for ignoring my post EC, like you usually do. |
Evil Conservative
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 08:56 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Thanks for ignoring my post EC, like you usually do.
Your welcome ,Overlord of the Internet Troll army. |
tgd_02
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 10:22 · [Salvaged from Archive]
lets go eat some cereal chillums thatll calm ur faggot ass down |
crazyjoe
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 16:18 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I say yes for a rather simple reason.
What is more valuable: A human life or an animal life. If we wheren't testing stuff on animals we'd have to test them on humans.
Edit: I read some of the first few posts and I thought I should add something. If we test stuff on animals it should be done in the most humane way possible. I do have a soft spot for animals, but a human life comes first. |
Clouds in the Sky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 16:23 · [Salvaged from Archive]
How is one living creature's life more valuable than an other? Why as a human should you be considered more important? Who is actually destroying this planet? Humans or the rest? |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 16:24 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I say yes for a rather simple reason.
What is more valuable: A human life or an animal life. If we wheren't testing stuff on animals we'd have to test them on humans.
Edit: I read some of the first few posts and I thought I should add something. If we test stuff on animals it should be done in the most humane way possible. I do have a soft spot for animals, but a human life comes first.
Agreed |
crazyjoe
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 21:12 · [Salvaged from Archive]
How is one living creature's life more valuable than an other? Why as a human should you be considered more important? Who is actually destroying this planet? Humans or the rest?
Because we are on top of the food chain trying to perserve ourselves and the enviorment(after ruining it :P). The more we know the better equiped we are to stop something from happening. |
Clouds in the Sky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 21:17 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Yet do you actually believe we're equiped with the much needed wiseness to actually put any kind of plan to save the environment into effect? I'm not talking about discussing how to and when...I'm talking about REALLY putting something into effect on a global scale. I THINK NOT. We're all too consumed by personal gain to make the proper sacrafices.
Oh, we're on top of the food chain so we should be selfish and arrogant enough to take advantage of the deprived? Meh. |
respeck27
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 04:25 · [Salvaged from Archive]
First of all I agree with VK.
To me mindless killing of animals such as trophy hunting is pointless, but i have no problem whatsoever with animal testing, the use of animals for food or clothing. I am half bosnian and half ukrainian and have seen extreme human suffering on many different levels, ive lived through a war, extreme hunger and poverty, and at this point in my life i could give a FUCK about animals, or animal rights. If you were starving for a week, would you not chop the head off of a chicken and eat it? or would you be humane enough to smother it?
How is one living creature's life more valuable than an other?
I dont know dude, why dont you tell that to a lion when hes tearing up a zebra, humans are carnivores when we kill and eat animals we technically do it to live and are therefore saying that our lives are more important than that animal. But dont blame me, blame god, or nature or whatever the fuck you belive in. I was genetically programmed to take advantage of other species and thats what i will do to make my life better. The same thing applies to animal testing for medicine.
Animals in Research
Laboratory Animals Contributions to Medicine
Research in physiology provides the scientific basis for much of medical practice, and is thus critical for maintaining health as well as for the diagnosis, prevention, and treatment of health problems. In order to understand and treat disease, physiologists need to understand how the body works under both normal and abnormal conditions before they can develop ways to prevent and treat disease.
Since some health problems involve processes that can only be studied in a living organism, it is necessary to perform research on animals when it is impractical or unethical to use humans. Additionally, research using animals has led to some of the most important medical discoveries in history. Animal research continues to help humans, as well as animals, live longer and healthier lives.
What Humans Have in Common with Animals
Animal research has helped scientists to understand and find ways to prevent and treat diseases historically (in diseases that are no longer widespread, like polio) and at present (for health conditions that are still prevalent), including:
ü Heart disease
ü Diabetes and obesity
ü Neurological diseases such as Alzheimers and Parkinsons
ü Cancer
ü Infectious diseases including AIDS and tuberculosis
ü Inflammatory bowel diseases like Crohns disease
In these and other instances, animals make good research subjects because they are biologically similar to humans. For example, the immune system of mice, the cardiovascular system of dogs, and the reproductive system of guinea pigs all function in much the same way as in humans. Humans also share many of their genes not only with other primates, but also with animals as far removed as mice and fruit flies.
So why use animals for research?
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Animals are used for biomedical research because it would be wrong to deliberately expose human beings to health risks in order to observe the course of a disease or use humans in invasive experiments to study normal organ function.
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Animals are susceptible to the development of many of the same health problems as humans.
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Their shorter life cycles make it easier to study them throughout their whole life span or across several generations.
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Scientists can better control variables (such as diet, age, weight, and physical activity), which would be difficult to do with human patients.
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Scientists can also change an animals genes to study genetic diseases that cause illness in people.
Animal research is helping to elucidate the following human conditions:
Obesity and Diabetes People with obesity and diabetes are at risk for a number of potentially serious complications that can cause premature death. For instance, researchers recently used genetically engineered mice to better understand how liver damage occurs in people with Type 2 diabetes.
Obese and diabetic db/db mice develop marked liver fibrosis in a model of nonalcoholic steatohepatitis: role of short-form leptin receptors and osteopontin. American Journal of Physiology Gastrointestinal and Liver Physiology. 287: G1035-G1043, 2004.
Epilepsy People that are born with brain malformations sometimes have a kind of epilepsy that is not easily treatable with medicines. Using rats that exhibit the same kind of symptoms, scientists at Stanford University Medical Center were able to study the differences in how the brain functions in rats with epilepsy compared to healthy rats.
Excitatory and Inhibitory Postsynaptic Currents in a Rat Model of Epileptogenic Microgyria. Journal of Neurophysiology. 93: 687-696, 2005.
Parkinsons Disease (PD) Researchers studying the development of PD recently used a mouse model to study genetic changes that occur in brain cells (neurons) during the earliest stages of disease, even before the substantial loss of neurons associated with the classic symptoms of PD occurs. These types of studies could lead to early detection and treatment that would ultimately minimize the severity of symptoms associated with PD.
Temporal evaluation of mouse striatal gene expression following MPTP injury. Neurobiology of Aging. 26(5):765-775.
For more information on the historical importance of animals in physiology, please see the Timeline of Physiology.
How Animals Help Us Find Cures
Animals also play a critical role in development of new drugs and new medical procedures to treat diseases. For example, studies in animals were used to establish the safety of drugs that are widely used to treat high cholesterol, ulcers, depression and a slew of other common conditions and illnesses. In fact, almost every drug used in humans is first tested in animals.
Animal studies are done first to give medical researchers a better idea of what benefits and complications they are likely to see in humans. If the new therapy seems promising, it is tested in animals to see whether it appears to be safe and effective. Researchers use animal testing to discover what toxic side effects a drug might have, what doses are safe, and how a drug is absorbed and broken down in the body. Only after scientists have seen that the drug can be safely and effectively used in two or more species of animals do they begin testing in humans.
Scientists sometimes discover such drugs and procedures using alternative research methods that do not involve animals. While there is currently no substitute for animal testing in drug development, scientists are continually looking for other ways to test therapies for safety and efficacy.
How Animals Help Other Animals
Often times, animal research elucidates cures and treatments for ailments that afflict animals and humans alike. Many of these advances can then be used in veterinary medicine to improve the length and quality of animals lives.
Veterinary medicine has benefited from discoveries found through animal research that alleviates animal pain and sickness and prevents disease in our pets, food animals and wildlife. Just some of the areas where animal research has helped other animals include:
ü Development and testing of animal vaccines
ü Detection and prevention of infectious diseases
ü Food animal health and safety
ü Treatments for lameness and arthritic pain
ü Development of artificial joints
ü Cancer therapies
ü Treatment of genetic and acquired heart problems
ü Animal responses to exercise
So if you ever got sick and the cure was found through animal testing, i bet none of you self righteous assholes would rather die than be cured with something derived from animal testing. Open heart surgery is avalible because of testing on dogs, a couple of dogs died, but millions of lives are saved each year. So flame me if you want because i dont give a fuck, i eat steaks because i can and if you see me in the street ill have these:
http://www.moshoes.com/prodImages/DE15x.jpg
on my feet, if you dont like it. . . . suck my balls |
respeck27
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 04:42 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Oh and btw i only said i agree with vk, not ec so dont get it twisted. At this point i think that ec is a conservative redneck that hates foreigners, (correct me if im wrong) and im not conservative, actually im liberal on like 95% of things, i just dont give a shit about animals. |
Evil Conservative
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 05:05 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Oh and btw i only said i agree with vk, not ec so dont get it twisted. At this point i think that ec is a conservative redneck that hates foreigners, (correct me if im wrong) and im not conservative, actually im liberal on like 95% of things, i just dont give a shit about animals.
And I was about to post I agreed with you..actually you agree with me despite what you said because VK agrees with me...interchangable on this subject so...whatever. Why would it be twisted to agree with me anyway and why should you care what others think if you agree with me?...which you did. PR? Screw PR. I'm straight forward. I have agreed with people here that I am 90% in disagreement with on some subjects without having to make such a farse denial.
I am not a redneck. I do not hate foreigners. Consider yourself corrected. :roll:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/emoticon_transfo… |
Commando80
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 11:32 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Damit VK... i never posted anything bad about you but this is going too far... Animals such as chickens pigs and cows are used for one thing only. Survival. The rest is just plain wrong. I have seen pictures of disease ridden animals such as kittens and dogs which were used to test new products. And you actually think this is good? Jesus christ, I dont know what the hell is wrong with your head, but keep it out of the forums. We dont want to read your bullshit. |
cheese muffin
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 12:29 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Damit VK... i never posted anything bad about you but this is going too far... Animals such as chickens pigs and cows are used for one thing only. Survival. The rest is just plain wrong. I have seen pictures of disease ridden animals such as kittens and dogs which were used to test new products. And you actually think this is good? Jesus christ, I dont know what the hell is wrong with your head, but keep it out of the forums. We dont want to read your bullshit.
amen
whoops im athiest, cant say that...
erm....
w00t? |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 13:12 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Damit VK... i never posted anything bad about you but this is going too far... Animals such as chickens pigs and cows are used for one thing only. Survival. The rest is just plain wrong. I have seen pictures of disease ridden animals such as kittens and dogs which were used to test new products. And you actually think this is good? Jesus christ, I dont know what the hell is wrong with your head, but keep it out of the forums. We dont want to read your bullshit.
Wait a sec, im going too far by posting what I believe in? I think not. I never said anything about it not being a hard thing to do, animal testing that is. If those kittens were curing cancer I couldn't care less if they were running around on fire. Fuck, if you feel that bad name a post office after the kitten who died to find the cure for cancer. Or even a Middle School, I don't care what you think. I don't think it's good I think it's right. When a better alternative to animal testing comes along then that's alright, until then pfft, fuck it. If you don't want to read my bullshit then why are you even here, on a thread, that I posted? |
Commando80
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 13:24 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Believe what you want to believe in. Just dont post that bullshit so we have to read it. Also, lets put you in their position. What if doctors tried to use you as a test subject for untested products? What if they used you as the prime test subject for all the fat burning pills? :lol: We dont want to know what you believe in if we dont like it. Stop posting stupid shit becuase you KNOW it will start a flame war. |
cheese muffin
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 13:52 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Damit VK... i never posted anything bad about you but this is going too far... Animals such as chickens pigs and cows are used for one thing only. Survival. The rest is just plain wrong. I have seen pictures of disease ridden animals such as kittens and dogs which were used to test new products. And you actually think this is good? Jesus christ, I dont know what the hell is wrong with your head, but keep it out of the forums. We dont want to read your bullshit.
Wait a sec, im going too far by posting what I believe in? I think not. I never said anything about it not being a hard thing to do, animal testing that is. If those kittens were curing cancer I couldn't care less if they were running around on fire. Fuck, if you feel that bad name a post office after the kitten who died to find the cure for cancer. Or even a Middle School, I don't care what you think. I don't think it's good I think it's right. When a better alternative to animal testing comes along then that's alright, until then pfft, fuck it. If you don't want to read my bullshit then why are you even here, on a thread, that I posted?
i think the way commando and i see it, VK, is that even when we have finished experimenting and the experiment was not successful, the animals are still dying a painful death. not exactly the greatest thing on you're conscience when you just killed an animal for nothing. |
Commando80
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 13:53 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Thank you for explaining that perfectly in just a small amount of words. |
crazyjoe
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 14:55 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Damit VK... i never posted anything bad about you but this is going too far... Animals such as chickens pigs and cows are used for one thing only. Survival. The rest is just plain wrong. I have seen pictures of disease ridden animals such as kittens and dogs which were used to test new products. And you actually think this is good? Jesus christ, I dont know what the hell is wrong with your head, but keep it out of the forums. We dont want to read your bullshit.
It's a debatable subject. She has her opinions and wanted to know what others thought of it. If we didn't test shit on animals we'd have to test it on humans. |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 15:49 · [Salvaged from Archive]
It's called free will idiots. I can post what I want how I want and when I want in the fight room. Don't like it then Fuck OFF!!! It's simple, you already knew what I was going to say when you saw my topic out of the list. You chose to come in here and spout off your bullshit. FUCK OFF IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!!! Do you honestly think that after all what you said i'm going to stop doing anything differently? Yeah right. GROW UP you stupid babies, go harrass someone else who believes the same as I do. You won't though because EC and the Ukranian guy will hand your asses back to you on a platter. You kids are so mind fucked its unbelievable.
How would I feel if a doctor tested on me? It doesn't matter, cause we don't test on humans like they do animals so it's irrelevent. Animals are lower life forms, again, when they start contributing to society then they can have a say. Oh, also when they learn how to speak or write so we can understand their concerns. |
cheese muffin
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 16:02 · [Salvaged from Archive]
ignorant post. |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 16:13 · [Salvaged from Archive]
ignorant post.
so.......? |
Commando80
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 16:16 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I wouldn't have to argue with you if you changed your attitude once in a blue moon. |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 16:18 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I wouldn't have to argue with you if you changed your attitude once in a blue moon.
You wouldn't have to argue if you ignored it since you don't like it. Bullshitting aside though, what would you like to change about my attitude? I'm not going to change my views as far as animal testing and religion and all that go, so what would you like? |
AllisterFiend
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 16:19 · [Salvaged from Archive]
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-509032547329539187
I really have no respect for someone who supports this. |
cheese muffin
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 16:24 · [Salvaged from Archive]
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-509032547329539187
I really have no respect for someone who thinks this is ok.
i couldnt even watch that... no i mean i literally couldn't, everytime i tried, something in the back of my mind made me close the window. :cry: its too sad. :cry: |
AllisterFiend
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 16:31 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Here are some more videos. Not for the faint-hearted.
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=agri_short&…
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=fur_farm&am… |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 16:41 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Whats your point with these videos? |
AllisterFiend
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 16:45 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Did you even watch them?
My point is to show you the pain that these animals have to go through. If you have any heart at all you would recognize that this is wrong. |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 16:50 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Did you even watch them?
My point is to show you the pain that these animals have to go through. If you have any heart at all you would recognize that this is wrong.
I've watched them, they're gross. I've seen the lame ass PETA videos I had to when I was researching for my final and had to do a report on it. It's gross, big deal. It sucks that the animals arent calmed down but too bad, life isn't fair especially when you're an animal. It's not like there are no reasons that these things are happening. I have a heart when I watch the war-torn Sudan and the after effects of Chrynobol (however that's spelled). Not some fucking cows and monkeys, ok the cows, that is kinda bad, but oh well. The monkeys........the ends justify the means. |
AllisterFiend
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 17:00 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I've watched them, they're gross. I've seen the lame ass PETA videos I had to when I was researching for my final and had to do a report on it. It's gross, big deal. It sucks that the animals arent calmed down but too bad, life isn't fair especially when you're an animal. It's not like there are no reasons that these things are happening. I have a heart when I watch the war-torn Sudan and the after effects of Chrynobol (however that's spelled). Not some fucking cows and monkeys, ok the cows, that is kinda bad, but oh well. The monkeys........the ends justify the means.
Ok. For a second, I just want you to imagine yourself in one of those monkey's positions. How would you feel? If you were one of them, would you think the ends justify the means? I don't think so. |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 17:04 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I've watched them, they're gross. I've seen the lame ass PETA videos I had to when I was researching for my final and had to do a report on it. It's gross, big deal. It sucks that the animals arent calmed down but too bad, life isn't fair especially when you're an animal. It's not like there are no reasons that these things are happening. I have a heart when I watch the war-torn Sudan and the after effects of Chrynobol (however that's spelled). Not some fucking cows and monkeys, ok the cows, that is kinda bad, but oh well. The monkeys........the ends justify the means.
Ok. For a second, I just want you to imagine yourself in one of those monkey's positions. How would you feel? If you were one of them, would you think the ends justify the means? I don't think so.
I could imagine myself in that position but it's not happening is it? So if one of those monkeys cured AIDS would you still be sqwaking? |
AllisterFiend
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 17:13 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I could imagine myself in that position but it's not happening is it? So if one of those monkeys cured AIDS would you still be sqwaking?
If it cured AIDS that would be wonderful. But you didn't answer my question. |
crazyjoe
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 17:16 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Allister what do you suggest we do then. Stop advancing in the medical fields and just be fine with what we got? If we didn't test on animals we'd have to test on humans.
I do have a weak spot for animals. It kills me to see an animal in pain. I can't watch those videos. I don't want to watch them. |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 17:20 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I could imagine myself in that position but it's not happening is it? So if one of those monkeys cured AIDS would you still be sqwaking?
If it cured AIDS that would be wonderful. But you didn't answer my question.
Im not going to answer that question, it's a dumbass question that wont change my opinion on animal testing. |
AllisterFiend
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 17:21 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Allister what do you suggest we do then. Stop advancing in the medical fields and just be fine with what we got? If we didn't test on animals we'd have to test on humans.
I do have a weak spot for animals. It kills me to see an animal in pain. I can't watch those videos. I don't want to watch them.
Of course not, but we should do it in a nicer way I think. The animals are treated like shit, if they are going to benefit us, we should show them a little bit more respect. |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 17:22 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Allister what do you suggest we do then. Stop advancing in the medical fields and just be fine with what we got? If we didn't test on animals we'd have to test on humans.
I do have a weak spot for animals. It kills me to see an animal in pain. I can't watch those videos. I don't want to watch them.
Of course not, but we should do it in a nicer way I think. The animals are treated like shit, if they are going to benefit us, we should show them a little bit more respect.
The respect that little monkeys and mice deserve. |
AllisterFiend
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 17:26 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I could imagine myself in that position but it's not happening is it? So if one of those monkeys cured AIDS would you still be sqwaking?
If it cured AIDS that would be wonderful. But you didn't answer my question.
Im not going to answer that question, it's a dumbass question that wont change my opinion on animal testing.
It's certainly not a dumbass question. If you were in their position would you think it was ok? It could be answered with a yes or no. |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 17:27 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I could imagine myself in that position but it's not happening is it? So if one of those monkeys cured AIDS would you still be sqwaking?
If it cured AIDS that would be wonderful. But you didn't answer my question.
Im not going to answer that question, it's a dumbass question that wont change my opinion on animal testing.
It's certainly not a dumbass question. If you were in their position would you think it was ok? It could be answered with a yes or no.
If I had a human mind in a monkey body or a monkey brain in a monkey body? |
AllisterFiend
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 17:29 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Allister what do you suggest we do then. Stop advancing in the medical fields and just be fine with what we got? If we didn't test on animals we'd have to test on humans.
I do have a weak spot for animals. It kills me to see an animal in pain. I can't watch those videos. I don't want to watch them.
Of course not, but we should do it in a nicer way I think. The animals are treated like shit, if they are going to benefit us, we should show them a little bit more respect.
The respect that little monkeys and mice deserve.
You dont think they feel pain just because they're an animal? I'm not trying to sound like a hippie, but I'm just speaking my mind. You started this thread, and you should be open to other people's opinions. |
AllisterFiend
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 17:34 · [Salvaged from Archive]
If I had a human mind in a monkey body or a monkey brain in a monkey body?
Alright, I'll put it this way. If you were taken from your home right now, dragged away, locked up in a cage and tested on, beaten, starved, deprived of medical treatment, for someone elses well-being, would you think it was ok? |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 17:37 · [Salvaged from Archive]
If I had a human mind in a monkey body or a monkey brain in a monkey body?
Alright, I'll put it this way. If you were taken from your home right now, dragged away, locked up in a cage and tested on, beaten, starved, deprived of medical treatment, for someone elses well-being, would you think it was ok?
That would be a crime against humanity. Therefor it's not the same. |
AllisterFiend
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 17:41 · [Salvaged from Archive]
That would be a crime against humanity. Therefor it's not the same.
Ugh. I tried to put it in a way you could understand. Obviously you don't get it. |
Commando80
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 17:42 · [Salvaged from Archive]
She is full of herself, she doesnt care what we post. we are just wasting our time trying to deal with her. It is pointless. |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 17:46 · [Salvaged from Archive]
She is full of herself, she doesnt care what we post. we are just wasting our time trying to deal with her. It is pointless.
DING DING DING we've got someone with a little bit of sense. Im not full of myself though, but yes you are wasting your time. If I was an animal and someone took me out of my home and did all that shit i'd be pissed. But i'm not and no one has as of yet so your question is with purpose. |
AllisterFiend
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 17:50 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Alright, I'll put it this way. If you were taken from your home right now, dragged away, locked up in a cage and tested on, beaten, starved, deprived of medical treatment, for someone elses well-being, would you think it was ok?
Alright I'm going to go back to this post I made. Alright? Read it again.
Now, don't take it literally this time.
What I typed above, is what would happen to you if you were the monkey. Do you get it now?
I'm going to go back to my original question. Would you think the ends still justify the means? |
Clouds in the Sky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 18:00 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I want to be a polar bear :) and hunt down humans. |
Commando80
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 18:16 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I want to be a polar bear :) and hunt down humans.
You are sooooo random. |
crazyjoe
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 18:17 · [Salvaged from Archive]
lol clouds
VK obviously gets it. It's an extremly hypothetical question. No crap you wouldn't like being taken away from your home and be tested on medically for the better well being for a human. |
AllisterFiend
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 18:26 · [Salvaged from Archive]
VK obviously gets it. It's an extremly hypothetical question. No crap you wouldn't like being taken away from your home and be tested on medically for the better well being for a human.
The animals are treated like shit, if they are going to benefit us, we should show them a little bit more respect. |
Clouds in the Sky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 18:30 · [Salvaged from Archive]
What's our fascination with living for a longer period if "Heaven" is awaiting you eh? |
AllisterFiend
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 18:32 · [Salvaged from Archive]
What's our fascination with living for a longer period if "Heaven" is awaiting you eh?
Because it's not. :lol: |
Clouds in the Sky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 18:33 · [Salvaged from Archive]
OK then, so what's the pupose of living a longer miserable life? I mean I'd much rather die at 53 years old than at 90 years old in an old folks home getting my diaper changed by some weird dude. |
crazyjoe
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 18:49 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Well some people die at an early age because of terminal diseases and other stuff. |
Clouds in the Sky
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 18:52 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Well that's the whole point...I'd rather die of a terminal disease at an early age than to be saved and die later having my ass whiped by Geraldo. |
crazyjoe
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 27 Jul 2006, 18:59 · [Salvaged from Archive]
So you can do everything you want to with your life. And once you do you'll realize something or understand something and will want to continue living(so I think)
dunno...deep question :P |
respeck27
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 29 Jul 2006, 00:37 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I am not a redneck. I do not hate foreigners. Consider yourself corrected. :roll:
Oh my bad dude, most extreme conservatives in KY hate me and want me out of this country cuz i TOOK THERR JAAAHHB. :lol: :lol: , so uh sorry, bad judgement i was high. |
Evil Conservative
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 29 Jul 2006, 00:40 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I am not a redneck. I do not hate foreigners. Consider yourself corrected. :roll:
Oh my bad dude, most extreme conservatives in KY hate me and want me out of this country cuz i TOOK THERR JAAAHHB. :lol: :lol: , so uh sorry, bad judgement i was high.
If your here legally I have no problem with it. :wink: |
respeck27
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 29 Jul 2006, 00:46 · [Salvaged from Archive]
If your here legally I have no problem with it. :wink:
No, i ran across the border. . . . from eastern europe |
crazyjoe
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 29 Jul 2006, 00:49 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Long swim. |
Evil Conservative
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 29 Jul 2006, 00:51 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Here are some more videos. Not for the faint-hearted.
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=agri_short&…
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=fur_farm&am…
Peta loves to put out horror movies. Animal experimentation is never pretty. I am fairly sure those are old ass video's as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_testing#United_States
There are laws that are meant to keep inhumane treatment of primates and other lower animals from occuring often.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
Visit that site for some horror caused by the very people that posted those old videos. PETA IS AN EVIL ENIVIRONMENTAL TERRORIST ORGANIZATION. :wink: |
respeck27
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 29 Jul 2006, 01:12 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Alright, I'll put it this way. If you were taken from your home right now, dragged away, locked up in a cage and tested on, beaten, starved, deprived of medical treatment, for someone elses well-being, would you think it was ok?
Hey i know people that had this done to them, except they were not tested on, instead they were taken to concentration camps fed glass, and kicked in the stomach for other peoples amusement. Happened to one of my cousins, and one of my friends lost his dad that way. As for the monkey, i feel sorry for it, but shit, i cant stop it and neither can anyone on this board. Bottom line is, i wish we could have medical advancements without harming animals, but since thats not the case i would rather have animals tested on, than children from third world countries. Anyways the people against animal testing have good points, and so do the people for animal testing. We could argue about this endlessly, bringing up the same bullshit facts, or we could put this issue behind us and realize that there is way more important shit that we need to worry about and take care of before getting back to this issue. The only reason that anyone even gives a shit about animal testing is because its a very controversial issue that sparks argument not even relating to the topic. So lets put this behind us cuz arguing online is like the special olympics, even if you win youre still retarded. |
respeck27
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 29 Jul 2006, 01:17 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Peta does kill animals, has anyone seen that episode of penn & Teller BULLSHIT where they talk about it. |
AllisterFiend
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 7 Jan 2007, 15:53 · [Salvaged from Archive]
BUMP. :)
What ever happened to good ole threads like this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WTSUGetKFc&eurl= |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 7 Jan 2007, 16:24 · [Salvaged from Archive]
who knows |
tim2x
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 7 Jan 2007, 18:40 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Well, until all of these puppets vow publicly not to use ANY advancement caused by animal research, you know, like all vaccines, any life saving operation, antibiotics, most antivirals, their all full of shit.
They can stand their and spout all they want, but when their child needs a heart transplant, and a heart comes up for their child, will they let their child die, because transplants were perfected on animals first? Fuck no, they won't.
Or any other disease or health issue. They'll be the first ones there screamin "save my kid".
Should animals be experimented on for cosmetic products? NO. But only because they can create scientifically cultures that represent human tissue, and tests can be done on those cultures.
And I can't remember who the dumbfuck earlier that said it was ok for him to eat meat, but not wear leather. So you would just completely waste the animal skin, and not use it, but you'll eat the meat. Brilliant.
Also someone that said they only eat meat because they live at home, and will change it when they move out.
What, no balls? Can't stand up for your self and say- no, I won't eat that? Too fuckin lazy to get a job, purchase your own Vegan foods, and learn to cook? Easier to have mommy look after you?
Also, if you are not a Vegan, you are not a vegetarian. If you consume any fish, poultry, or dairy product, you are not a vegetarian, your just one of those fashionista's that like to pretend they're doing something. |
jaba
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 7 Jan 2007, 18:58 · [Salvaged from Archive]
who knows
Makes good reading - I'll finish it later.
I think breeding animals for food and using every part of the animal where possible is good provided the animal was given a reasonable, stress free life. Experimentation using animals I find repulsive but sometimes a necessary evil to save lives. The all powerful supermarkets should use influence to ensure all their products are from so called 'animal friendly' sources without hiking up the prices. One thing which really makes me spit is all those bastards who trade in rare animals as pets and illegal 'bush meat'. |
verticalkiller
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 7 Jan 2007, 22:39 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Well, until all of these puppets vow publicly not to use ANY advancement caused by animal research, you know, like all vaccines, any life saving operation, antibiotics, most antivirals, their all full of shit.
They can stand their and spout all they want, but when their child needs a heart transplant, and a heart comes up for their child, will they let their child die, because transplants were perfected on animals first? Fuck no, they won't.
Or any other disease or health issue. They'll be the first ones there screamin "save my kid".
Should animals be experimented on for cosmetic products? NO. But only because they can create scientifically cultures that represent human tissue, and tests can be done on those cultures.
And I can't remember who the dumbfuck earlier that said it was ok for him to eat meat, but not wear leather. So you would just completely waste the animal skin, and not use it, but you'll eat the meat. Brilliant.
Also someone that said they only eat meat because they live at home, and will change it when they move out.
What, no balls? Can't stand up for your self and say- no, I won't eat that? Too fuckin lazy to get a job, purchase your own Vegan foods, and learn to cook? Easier to have mommy look after you?
Also, if you are not a Vegan, you are not a vegetarian. If you consume any fish, poultry, or dairy product, you are not a vegetarian, your just one of those fashionista's that like to pretend they're doing something.
By the way that pussy who will be vegan once he leaves home is Rex, just thought i'd give the sentence a face. |
Colzi
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 8 Jan 2007, 14:23 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Before u perform a sexual act on an animal, always get the animals consent first, a simple grunt or meow normaly does the trick. |
crazyjoe
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 8 Jan 2007, 17:39 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Before u perform a sexual act on an animal, always get the animals consent first, a simple grunt or meow normaly does the trick.
what about a yipe? |
UncoverReality
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 9 Jan 2007, 03:53 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Well, until all of these puppets vow publicly not to use ANY advancement caused by animal research, you know, like all vaccines, any life saving operation, antibiotics, most antivirals, their all full of shit.
They can stand their and spout all they want, but when their child needs a heart transplant, and a heart comes up for their child, will they let their child die, because transplants were perfected on animals first? Fuck no, they won't.
Or any other disease or health issue. They'll be the first ones there screamin "save my kid".
Should animals be experimented on for cosmetic products? NO. But only because they can create scientifically cultures that represent human tissue, and tests can be done on those cultures.
And I can't remember who the dumbfuck earlier that said it was ok for him to eat meat, but not wear leather. So you would just completely waste the animal skin, and not use it, but you'll eat the meat. Brilliant.
Also someone that said they only eat meat because they live at home, and will change it when they move out.
What, no balls? Can't stand up for your self and say- no, I won't eat that? Too fuckin lazy to get a job, purchase your own Vegan foods, and learn to cook? Easier to have mommy look after you?
Also, if you are not a Vegan, you are not a vegetarian. If you consume any fish, poultry, or dairy product, you are not a vegetarian, your just one of those fashionista's that like to pretend they're doing something.
Ditto. Well said. :wink: |
IhateNextel
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 9 Jan 2007, 15:47 · [Salvaged from Archive]
You can't defend vivisection as being ethical. Inducing Parkinson's disease in animals for the benefit of testing new treatments, for example, just don't swing it morally.
Not to say I have a problem with it, but I can see why people feel passionately about it. I see anti-vivisectionists the same way I see extreme catholic pro-lifers. :lol: Bless 'em, they can't help it.
Why is it, that whenever some one wants to make an extreme comparison, they throw in Catholics? I'm not religious, but I also am not a basher. Why could you not have left religion out of it? |
Troll
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2007, 08:01 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Take your self-righteous back to the cave Troll.
what the hell did, i, say ?
i just got here today. |
jaba
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2007, 08:31 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Take your self-righteous back to the cave Troll.
what the hell did, i, say ?
i just got here today.
O Pfffft you neally had all our hopes up that he was back!
He posted that on Jul 25, 2006 4:43 am So WTF are you talking abt , you wern't even a freaking well member here back then :?Lol@Hails - it was joke! :mrgreen: |
hunsrus
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2007, 12:52 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I believe we should take advantage of all of God's tasty little creatures! :mrgreen: |
IhateNextel
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2007, 13:30 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Damnit, animals have rights to ya know. They have rights to garlic and butter! |
hunsrus
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Jan 2007, 13:37 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Damnit, animals have rights to ya know. They have rights to garlic and butter!
lol!! :lol: :lol: :lol: |
