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Big Ozzie
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 7 Sept 2006, 18:44 · [Salvaged from Archive]
MSN-tv News posted this Article.....Please read, then cast your vote
http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/News/Aug06/steveirwin1_150.jpg
Should 'Croc Hunter' Death Tape be Seen?
Sep 5, 9:31 AM EST
Video: Irwin's memorable moments
The Associated Press
"If I'm going to die," the late "Crocodile Hunter" Steve Irwin said in a 2002 interview, "at least I want it filmed."
He spoke with his usual humor, and clearly had no idea what would happen four years later. But the fact is, a tape does exist of Irwin's fatal encounter with a stingray while filming a TV show. And so the question arises: In the age of instant Web videos, might it get out? And in the broader sense, is making footage of a death public ever justified?
For its part, Discovery Communications, the network where Irwin became a star, said there was absolutely no truth to rumors that the footage, now in possession of police in Queensland, Australia, might be released.
But that doesn't mean there aren't concerns that someone could attempt to get their hands on it and publicize it for lurid means or just to show they had it. That, said media analyst Martin Kaplan, would be tantamount to a snuff film.
"The only remote justification for publicizing this would be accident prevention," said Kaplan, of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Southern California. "But that argument is a stretch." Experts say deaths from a stingray encounter are exceedingly rare.
Irwin died Monday at age 44 after being stabbed in the chest by the stingray's poisonous spine while filming on the Great Barrier Reef.
He was hugely popular in the United States, becoming a star as the "Crocodile Hunter" on Discovery's Animal Planet channel. In an interview with Associated Press Radio in 2002, he discussed his passion for grappling with crocodiles: "That's what my hand and my brains are designed to do," he said with his trademark enthusiasm. "That's what I have to give to the world."
In the same interview, he noted: "If I'm going to die, at least I want it filmed ... If we blew a million dollars worth of cameras, at least we could have gone to MGM and gone, 'Hey, look at this tape.'"
Irwin's manager and close friend, John Stainton, had the painful experience of watching the videotape where Irwin pulls the stingray barb from his chest.
He called it "shocking."
"It's a very hard thing to watch, because you are actually witnessing somebody die, and it's terrible," he told reporters.
The fact that a tape exists recalls the death of Timothy Treadwell, a bear enthusiast who lived among them for a dozen years in Alaska before being fatally mauled in 2003. A video camera with the lens cap on captured the audio of that attack. It is in possession of a friend and has never emerged in public though in his acclaimed documentary "Grizzly Man," director Werner Herzog was seen listening to it with headphones on.
Samuel G. Freedman, who teaches a media ethics class at the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism, says the issue is "whether there is any compelling public interest" in the release of something so shocking as footage of a death. Here, he says, there clearly isn't.
"The lay person is not going into the water trying to have encounters with stingrays," Freedman said. "It would be purely titillation and necrophilia if anyone were to show this."
There are dramatically different cases, Freedman believes, where there is a compelling public interest in having the option as in the voluntary click of a mouse to see the reality of a grisly death. To learn the harsh lessons of war, for example, or to witness the brutality of the beheadings by Islamic militants in Iraq videos that were posted on Web sites used by the militants. (Others have argued that the existence of the militant videos is apalling.)
But those are very particular cases. In general, the explanations fall flat, says Kaplan of the Annenberg School, as when the Italian magazine that recently published a photo of Princess Diana getting oxygen moments after her fatal car crash called it "tender" and "touching."
In an era where almost everything ends up making it to the Web, is it inevitable that such a tape as that of Irwin's death would emerge?
"Only in the sense that there's a race for the bottom in our culture," Kaplan says. "This will take substantial vigilance on the part of the family." |
AllisterFiend
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 7 Sept 2006, 18:51 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I think it should be up to his family. |
Rocker Kid
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 7 Sept 2006, 19:13 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Damn you Ozzie you stole my idea for a thread. JK
But really if it is released. I will watch it. If it is not I'm happy that his family and friends made that decision. Only their opinion actually counts. I dunno if Terry Irwin (wife) would want her kids to see that. Even if she tryed to keep it away from them they're bound to see it anyway. His best friend Wes I dunno what he would want for the video but most-likely he'll agree with Terry in the end.
RIP Steve Irwin
Oh shit I read the whole thing oh god he pulled the barb from his own chest... dear god oh shit do what you may with the tape whatever you want oh god no He knew he was going to die right there.... He died instantly that's what they said no no no no fucking media spin damn you damn you...... |
Draz
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 8 Sept 2006, 00:02 · [Salvaged from Archive]
naw, man. they should let that man rest in peace. |
Monstermash
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 8 Sept 2006, 01:11 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I don't think the video should be released. But I have a feeling it will be on the web at some point. I voted 'No'. I know Steve Irwin wanted it shown, but often we make jokes about thinks not really thinking they will come true. |
Snuff.
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 8 Sept 2006, 03:37 · [Salvaged from Archive]
If we are to be shown Steve owning animals, we should be allowed to be shown animals owning Steve. |
Avaloner
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 8 Sept 2006, 05:03 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I heard that the crew want to destroy the tape after the police saw it, I don't know, if I would watch it one part of me says yes, the other one no... |
Cymru am byth
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 8 Sept 2006, 05:24 · [Salvaged from Archive]
yeah show it, you see plenty of people getting killed on the net, tv etc why should he be different. the guy was a great entertainer, conservationist and taught me and my kids plenty but he wasn't a god |
Jack Klompus
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 8 Sept 2006, 07:39 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Well... I would watch it if it ends up on the web. IF they should release it? Well yea I guess now it should be up to the family. I don´t think it´s wrong or demeaning to his memory if they decide to show it. |
tgd_02
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 8 Sept 2006, 08:26 · [Salvaged from Archive]
yes |
Big Ozzie
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 8 Sept 2006, 09:49 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Growing up, one of my favorite TV shows was "COMBAT" a Black & White WWII weekly show about a Platoon of GI's in Germany and the European Arena. It was an actual war drama, not a comedy like M*A*S*H or HOGAN'S HEROES.
It stared Vic Morrow as Sgt Saunders and Rick Jason as Lt Hanley.
Vic Morrow was killed while filming the movie "The Twilight Zone: The Movie" in 1983.
His death was caught on film and can be seen in the movie today when a Helicopter Crash Decapitated him and killed the two Vietnamese children he was holding.
How many people slow motioned the movie right at that point and replayed it over and over again just to get a glimpse of his head being cut off and flying through the air?
I know I did! |
Jack Klompus
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 8 Sept 2006, 10:08 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Growing up, one of my favorite TV shows was "COMBAT" a Black & White WWII weekly show about a Platoon of GI's in Germany and the European Arena. It was an actual war drama, not a comedy like M*A*S*H or HOGAN'S HEROES.
It stared Vic Morrow as Sgt Saunders and Rick Jason as Lt Hanley.
Vic Morrow was killed while filming the movie "The Twilight Zone: The Movie" in 1983.
His death was caught on film and can be seen in the movie today when a Helicopter Crash Decapitated him and killed the two Vietnamese children he was holding.
How many people slow motioned the movie right at that point and replayed it over and over again just to get a glimpse of his head being cut off and flying through the air?
I know I did!
:shock:
*goes look for that on the web
EDIT: *and finds the footage!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=civNBWBtSGs |
KitRae
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 8 Sept 2006, 12:02 · [Salvaged from Archive]
We laugh at the guy that got his arm torn off by that gator, why not about some tv-celeb that got stabbed in the heart? |
longbob
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 8 Sept 2006, 12:16 · [Salvaged from Archive]
We laugh at the guy that got his arm torn off by that gator, why not about some tv-celeb that got stabbed in the heart?
Well, I don't think that many watching would actually laugh about the daft sod getting his arm fucked up.
There is a difference in how people react to both these events because the fact is the gator guy mistreated the gators he 'worked' with and showed a poor example of how to treat animals. Plus, we don't know his name or anything about him so we have minimal empathy as a result whereas Steve Irwin did a hell of a lot in terms of conservation for many species of animal as well as spreading the word of conservation and we saw him on TV many times, a lot of the time with his wife and kids.
That's the difference.
Longbob. |
KitRae
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 8 Sept 2006, 12:26 · [Salvaged from Archive]
We laugh at the guy that got his arm torn off by that gator, why not about some tv-celeb that got stabbed in the heart?
Well, I don't think that many watching would actually laugh about the daft sod getting his arm fucked up.
There is a difference in how people react to both these events because the fact is the gator guy mistreated the gators he 'worked' with and showed a poor example of how to treat animals. Plus, we don't know his name or anything about him so we have minimal empathy as a result whereas Steve Irwin did a hell of a lot in terms of conservation for many species of animal as well as spreading the word of conservation and we saw him on TV many times, a lot of the time with his wife and kids.
That's the difference.
Longbob.
I see your point, but for some reason I don't feel the same way.
To me it would be another guy that gets mutilated on FileCabi, just like many before him.
I dunno, I guess I'm a messed up sicko :oops: |
Rocker Kid
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 8 Sept 2006, 17:38 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Man I couldn't see any heads fly off.... I'll look again... |
Snuff.
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 9 Sept 2006, 03:55 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I see your point, but for some reason I don't feel the same way.
To me it would be another guy that gets mutilated on FileCabi, just like many before him.
I dunno, I guess I'm a messed up sicko :oops:
You say that now, Kit, and I'd personally say I feel the same way...but I wonder whether if and when I finally end up sitting down to watching the eccentric himself dying in front of me I'll find it as easy to disassociate from the material.
Only one way to find out, I guess. |
Overlord
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 9 Sept 2006, 07:36 · [Salvaged from Archive]
it'll get leaked out. They always do. People's facination with death and gore will make it an instant hit. Like it or not.. that's the web. |
Supplemental Persona
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 17 Feb 2009, 15:47 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Ws this vid ever circulated? |
PlaneswalkerX
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 17 Feb 2009, 15:50 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Ws this vid ever circulated?
Yeah, even more than your mom. OHHH SNAP!!!!!!! |
Supplemental Persona
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 17 Feb 2009, 15:53 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Yeah, even more than your mom. OHHH SNAP!!!!!!!
Ok, whatever you say, Bindy. |
Big Ozzie
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 17 Feb 2009, 16:13 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Ws this vid ever circulated?
No, supposedly it was destroyed at the request of his widow. |
MontysDouble
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 18 Feb 2009, 06:43 · [Salvaged from Archive]
The police initially had the video, and then handed it back to Terri Irwin. In a later interview she said the footage had been destroyed.
The video has never been put on the net.
If footage still exists, if any copies were ever made, they'd be in the hands of Queensland Police, Terri Irwin or - perhaps - some of the crew who were with Steve when he died.
I wouldn't hold my breath Sib. |
uso
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 18 Feb 2009, 15:02 · [Salvaged from Archive]
CRIKEY!!!! |
JACKASS2010
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 18 Feb 2009, 15:12 · [Salvaged from Archive]
damn! i wanna see that footage!! steve was awesome and all but the cunt's dead and cant entertain me anymore so the footage would be his parting gift of entertainment. |
DC Thug
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 18 Feb 2009, 16:05 · [Salvaged from Archive]
return of teh zombie thread |
Skyhigh
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 02:04 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Thread-o-philia is not ok. |
Borro
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 03:04 · [Salvaged from Archive]
his wife destroyed the footage. you're outa luck. |
crazee horse
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 15:44 · [Salvaged from Archive]
i wouldnt. he came across as a nice bloke. i dont mind seeing terrorists or other scum killed though. providing i have refreshments close by so i can really sit back and take it all in, without having to watch it 50 times................. |
Crossbones
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 15:44 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Growing up, one of my favorite TV shows was "COMBAT" a Black & White WWII weekly show about a Platoon of GI's in Germany and the European Arena. It was an actual war drama, not a comedy like M*A*S*H or HOGAN'S HEROES.
It stared Vic Morrow as Sgt Saunders and Rick Jason as Lt Hanley.
Vic Morrow was killed while filming the movie "The Twilight Zone: The Movie" in 1983.
His death was caught on film and can be seen in the movie today when a Helicopter Crash Decapitated him and killed the two Vietnamese children he was holding.
How many people slow motioned the movie right at that point and replayed it over and over again just to get a glimpse of his head being cut off and flying through the air?
I know I did!
That was a damn good show. I used to watch it all the time (not when it was new obviously). They had it on some movie channel when I was in high school, and would have like 3hrs worth of it on Weekends. Ahh good times. They were so historically inaccurate, but it still was an amazing show. |
MonsterTruck1977
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 15:51 · [Salvaged from Archive]
nothing's sacred anymore. fuck you, fuck your ratings and fuck the man.... capitalist fuckers. |
JACKASS2010
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 15:59 · [Salvaged from Archive]
nothing was ever sacred. |
MonsterTruck1977
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 16:04 · [Salvaged from Archive]
support your argument. |
JACKASS2010
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 16:07 · [Salvaged from Archive]
support my nuts. |
Big Ozzie
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 17:03 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Fuck the Truck...
for a Buck,
Take a Bus! |
Big Ozzie
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 17:04 · [Salvaged from Archive]
his wife destroyed the footage. you're outa luck.
I heard his wife liked to destroy HIS footage!
Well, part of it at least! |
uso
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 18:40 · [Salvaged from Archive]
His dog was hot |
rubicks
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 19:59 · [Salvaged from Archive]
and did you see the size of his Crocs.....crikey |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 20:05 · [Salvaged from Archive]
fuck steve....the real question is....... should I bang his wife??? |
footballbat
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 20:17 · [Salvaged from Archive]
and did you see the size of his Crocs.....crikey
:omg:
http://earthskyknitter.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/crocs.jpg |
ceehound619
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 20:24 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I wanna do his wife croc style. |
