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Snuff.
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 9 Jan 2007, 00:38 · [Salvaged from Archive]
So historically war is the overspill of tension into conflict, the summarial result of which is negative - through and through. Loss of life, loss of resources, loss of energy.
However, the Iraq conflict (for example), has resulted in a massive ammount of funds finding their way back into the economies of the countries involved (including Iraq itself). I'm too dog-tired to even make an attempt at comprehending the military expenditure / contractions income offset, but I think you see what I'm getting at.
Remember, while money is lost at the public/administrative level, there is an income (a pretty fucking mehusive income) at the private/corporate level from these scenarios.
Discuss.
(Now I come to think of it there was a lot of money made at the corporate level during WWII, as well - so it's not really a recent phenomenon...still worthy of discussion, though. ...Perhaps. :?) |
That Dude
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 9 Jan 2007, 03:56 · [Salvaged from Archive]
There will always be a profit made from something and war is no exception. Arms dealers, reconstruction contractors, mechanics, mechanical, electrical, computer, chemical, materials engineers, chemists, and all the companies associated are just a number of people who will recieve much funding and lucrative business deals from any government at war if they would put their powers into the war effort or the cleaning up afterwards.
Some countries, such as Nazi Germany and, to an extent, WWI/II America used wartime to actually stimulate the economy. It's how Germany became such a huge power. |
Snuff.
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 9 Jan 2007, 06:39 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Some countries, such as Nazi Germany and, to an extent, WWI/II America used wartime to actually stimulate the economy. It's how Germany became such a huge power.
It's also how America became such a huge power. :wink:
The difference in my proposition is that the Iraq war in many ways involved a collusion of private/corporate and government interests - both in the military industries and supporting facets and industries involved in reconstruction.
WWII, on the other hand, was much less so; and though I agree with the analogy that it stimulated the German economy I'd argue that this occurred via the vacuum created by the sort of staunch and sweeping economic policy which eventually resulted in Goerring's reign - who arguably falls upon this dividing line between acquiescent ecenomic policy and the premeditation of conflict.
I'd suggest that Iraq is a groundbreaking new advancement in warfare - a self-funding strategy, in a sense, at the short-term expense of the taxpayer.
...And I admit I may well be talking out of my arsehole here, but it was one of those epiphanous thoughts that one must post and then expand upon and defend...regardless of how rediculous it becomes. :P |
Brixton
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 9 Jan 2007, 06:44 · [Salvaged from Archive]
One of the biggest industries in the UK is the Arms Industry, therefore war is good for our economy.
It sucks but its the truth.
Same goes for America. |
pikey
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 11 Mar 2007, 23:41 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Snuff is right - war profiteers have existed since time memorial!
All us less than wealthy are just cannon fodder to appropriate land mass for the benefit of those who need it - but we all sit in judgement without first thinking why. War IMO should be a last resort but as far as our industrialists are concerned it just improves their lot. An 18 yr old girl working in a munitions factory during WW2 was earning up to five times more than her boyfriend fighting in Tobruk and having a crafty shag with a few of those friendly Yanks at the same time! (mind you he was probably having a few escapades in Al-Fustat himself!)
LMFAO! |
godschild
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Mar 2007, 20:37 · [Salvaged from Archive]
local wars that are a result of tension often drain the regions that are involved primarilly because the fighting takes place on the land that the combatants live in. Both sides drain their resources in order to perpetuate their cause and replenishment of resources is scare for two reasons. The wars themselves destroy much of the infrastructure and raw material needed for rebuilding, and foreign countries are reluctant to pour money and resources into regions they cannot control. These types of scenarios often spin out of control and become vacuums that consume outside interest with no real gain. Much like vietnam and lebanon among many others
Global wars often drain the area where the combat takes place but due to the size of the wars, huge industries are created in the homelands of the involved countries. other countries not involved directly in the combat are often eager to make huge investments into the economies of the waring nations in order to reap short term gains. Germany's invasion of russia completly obliterated the eastern block countries but both germany and moscow reaped huge short term benefits to their wealthy class.
Iraq is different in that while we view it as a local war, it actually has global implications. Therefore many nations are not only investing in the economies of the agressors, they are also willing to invest in Iraq. The resources and strategic positioning of Iraq are so key that no country involved feels that it can afford to leave it a war ravaged wasteland. Because of the number of nations that feel tied to the outcome this might be the first time this method succeeds. However because of the radically different ideas of what Iraq should become it is unlikely.
The Iraq war has morphed into a type of war that involves several fronts within a small land. The american invasion and occupation has blended with a geurilla warfare involving foreign fighters and government interest of neighboring nations. Couple that with the citenzry of the region the resist any occupiers. On top of that add the cival war brewing over years of tension under Saddamm.
However this isn't a new type of war its been tried before and has always resulted in the same result. Failure. |
Big Ozzie
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 13 Mar 2007, 23:19 · [Salvaged from Archive]
godschild!!!!
How have you been? Stop by for a visit or are you planning to stay a bit?
Good to see that you are alive and kicking....missed your wisdom in these forums!
Hope you stick around for a while!
....BIG Ozzie |
Monstermash
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 14 Mar 2007, 03:35 · [Salvaged from Archive]
I really wish war was'nt profitable. Makes you wonder a lot of the time why nations go to war. That is why so many people are suspicious at the reasons why politicians like Bush and Blair state the case for war. Are their motivations really what they seem? :( |
godschild
Salvaged from Archive | Posted: 20 Mar 2007, 22:29 · [Salvaged from Archive]
Hi Big OZ. Thankx for the welcome.
Well Monstermash, wish in one hand and shit in the other, war has always been prifitable. sometimes only to a few and maybe only for a little while but the sons a bitches who start the wars have always held the gold.
The reasons nations go to war are always different than the reasons they give their populace to go to war. People will back a war if they feel their own interest are at stake but if it is just to make the few elites rich our voulanteer force well keep their asses at home. Instead the public has to be directed and often moved, sometimes heinously.
Bush and Blair are just figureheads. History class would have you believe that they represent the bond between leadership and its people, but the people whos interest they serve are not people like us. The elite feel they control the world and the entire populace are expendable assets each with a purpose or use, sometimes fullfilled but some left just in case.
It would be hard for me to be faced with the decisions of who lives or dies on a global generational level, but what scares me is that those choices for the ones who are in power are easily made. There only thoughts lie in how do we get it done. And only history will reveal those methods. |
