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  1. Pimp On TuesdaySalvaged from archive30 Dec 2005, 04:01
    OMG I HATE THOSE FRIGEN TREE HUGGIN HIPPIE BASTERDS....did anyone hear the shit they are up to now..fuckin going to lil kids schools giveing the kids comics that say "YOUR DADDY KILLS ANIMALS" what kind of bullshit is that!! animals are on this earth for us to EAT!! LETS EAT EM!!! 8)
  2. GrimmancerSalvaged from archive30 Dec 2005, 16:23
    Peta I hate those bastards too... They bring that shit to my kids school I will find the chapter that was handing it out, and make a little visit to them... hell I might even bring some dead animals to drop on thier step... I WILL TEACH MY CHILD RIGHT AND WRONG... not some tree hugging hippy bastard with his head up his ass... I will fucking ruin their day (in my own special way) if they come near my kid...
  3. GrimmancerSalvaged from archive30 Dec 2005, 17:14
    Im part of PETA Person Enjoying Tasty Animals
  4. Pimp On TuesdaySalvaged from archive31 Dec 2005, 02:14
    Im part of PETA Person Enjoying Tasty Animals 8) :D
  5. OverlordSalvaged from archive5 Jan 2006, 21:09
    Meat. It's whats for dinner.
  6. SkulllSalvaged from archive7 Jan 2006, 17:26
    what a fuck ... i shit on peta but i love keta
  7. andrexoteSalvaged from archive25 Jan 2006, 01:59
    well im not agree with that, even when im not vegetarian, they had good causes, they also are a lit maniacs with that....but i dont think its fair that 10,000 whales die per year becuz of some stupid japs , im not agree with hunting eather...its just stupid if u want to kill some1 kill ur family then, hunt if for hungry ppl, not for bored ones. are u agree that columbia univ. to burn belguies dog's bellys n let them without food in labs tild dead? are u agree to give electroshocks to lit puppies in their genitals too? there are a lot of stuff that gov hide from us, n thats 1 of the things they tried to hide. the thing is that PETA sometimes takes the thing too seriusly, giving to kids advice for not eat meat or stuff like that...aniways i suport PETA in someway, i tried not to eat meat everyday,suporting it with soy n crap like that. vegetarian ppl doesnt mean stupid ppl, or weak ppl, there are conscient of wut is happen behind labs n slaughterhouses n they try to help in the best way they can besides..it is proob that a human being can live without meat for his entire live, meat gives heart problems, arterial problems and even dick problems!, but wut vegetals doesnt have is vitamin B12, but thats why tuna has being made!! luv ya god! :lol:
  8. OverlordSalvaged from archive26 Jan 2006, 23:59
    Mmmm. Tuna.
  9. fletcherSalvaged from archive12 Feb 2006, 19:16
    http://www.wimp.com/petaprotest/ take a look at this these guy are fucked in the head
  10. ChebSalvaged from archive12 Feb 2006, 19:42
    Ahhhh outside link ahhh... Sorry had to say that. Anyway I think they cross the lines when they do shit like that. But in some cases they do have a point as andrexote said. They should learn to take care of serious issues like whalers and poachers. They are the real problem to the animal world. As far as eating meat, now common that is why some of these animals exist, to feed us. Just like a Gazelle exists to feed Cheetahs. It is all part of the balance of nature. I was actually watching volume 1 i think of faces of death (which I recommend for everyone to see because it really gets you in touch with reality) and they were showing how some of the animals are treated in the slaughterhouse. Honestly if the animal was not put down in the least painful way possible, I would not want to eat its meat. It is hard to find out though.
  11. OverlordSalvaged from archive13 Feb 2006, 02:04
    40 millions years of evolution to the top of the food chain. And the most advanced brain on planet earth decides to eat kelp like a fish. Totally freaking pathetic.
  12. HyperionSalvaged from archive18 Feb 2006, 09:14
    That link is of the Penn & Teller: Bullshit! episode about PETA. It's great because it talks about how PETA themselves euthanized over 1200 animals at their headquarters. It also shows how they support and pay for people to go bomb research facilities and such. They even point out that one of their VP's uses insulin which contains animal products. Can anyone say hypocrisy?
  13. Snuff.Salvaged from archive18 Feb 2006, 11:15
    not long back in the uk we had the 'animal rights militia' threaten to attack some nursery schools because they were funded by animal testing organizations :shock: i mean: WTF?? a perfect solution imo would be to offer business incentives to kosher abbatoirs, and thus to extend their operations. i've actually seen animals slaughtered in this way and its pretty quick, they don't shock the animals before slitting their throats, for one thing, and the animals are overall treated with more respect.
  14. phoenixobertSalvaged from archive7 Mar 2006, 19:18
    Isn't peta that really nasty powdery bread. Man that shit is worse thant the stupid animal rights activists. You know some times i wish i could round up all the activists in the world, and you know, put them in an arena somewhere and make them fight for their lives to escape the arena of hell. But then when one of them finally comes out on top i'll put them in a cage with michal jackson and make them eat the people they killed... fucking faggots
  15. That DudeSalvaged from archive7 Mar 2006, 23:48
    PETA = Terrorists. Simple as that.
  16. OverlordSalvaged from archive8 Mar 2006, 02:21
    Isn't peta that really nasty powdery bread. Man that shit is worse thant the stupid animal rights activists. You know some times i wish i could round up all the activists in the world, and you know, put them in an arena somewhere and make them fight for their lives to escape the arena of hell. But then when one of them finally comes out on top i'll put them in a cage with michal jackson and make them eat the people they killed... fucking faggots LOL, that's pretty good.
  17. DannyBoy80Salvaged from archive10 Mar 2006, 00:55
    some PETA lady came out to Oz and said that cutting off the sheeps bits'n'bobs was not on. If you do NOT cut it off, the sheeps droppings stick to the wool and it causes really bad infection which leads to caertain death. PETA r pathetic.
  18. TaurinoSalvaged from archive1 Nov 2007, 20:29
    Yes I hate animal lovers, bleh they're gay.... I mean Peta in my view = Terrorists.
  19. cheese muffinSalvaged from archive1 Nov 2007, 20:48
    I love animals. I mean I really do have a soft spot for animals. When I was 7, i took a bird in with a broken wing, and brought it to the vet. :D but peta takes it too far. some of the videos they distribute are sick to watch.
  20. cheese muffinSalvaged from archive1 Nov 2007, 20:48
    BTW WHOSE SEEN THAT SOUTH PARK EPIDSODE WHERE PDIDDY SHOOTS ALL THE PETA MEMBERS? :D
  21. TaurinoSalvaged from archive1 Nov 2007, 20:51
    BTW WHOSE SEEN THAT SOUTH PARK EPIDSODE WHERE PDIDDY SHOOTS ALL THE PETA MEMBERS? :D no PLEASE provide a link to a video of that episode, not just the scene the whole VIDEO gots taht? =)
  22. AfronaughtSalvaged from archive1 Nov 2007, 21:11
    no PLEASE provide a link to a video of that episode, not just the scene the whole VIDEO gots taht? =) dude... Only one place to look... http://allsp.com/
  23. TaurinoSalvaged from archive1 Nov 2007, 21:12
    ah sweet rep for you!
  24. cheese muffinSalvaged from archive1 Nov 2007, 21:19
    dude... Only one place to look... http://allsp.com/ <3 afronaught
  25. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive1 Nov 2007, 21:31
    You guys do know that PETA was on trial recently for killing perfectly healthy dogs rather than trying to find homes for them. Don't you? Yeah, they are like Al Gore. They tell you to do one thing, and they do the opposite.
  26. yupSalvaged from archive1 Nov 2007, 21:41
    http://www.wimp.com/petaprotest/ take a look at this these guy are fucked in the head Nice post:xyxthumbs: P&T are a little odd but I liked the link.
  27. yupSalvaged from archive1 Nov 2007, 21:45
    dude... Only one place to look... http://allsp.com/ Swweeeet never seen this site.:40:
  28. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive1 Nov 2007, 21:45
    Here's a good link for you: http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
  29. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 04:18
    BTW WHOSE SEEN THAT SOUTH PARK EPIDSODE WHERE PDIDDY SHOOTS ALL THE PETA MEMBERS? :DAh yes, Vote or die, douche and turd, PETA follies- living with the animals: "Come, see my kid." "Kill me..." Classic episode. Links to torrents here: http://mrtwig.net/ep/808.html I recommend the .rm version: Hardly any loss of quality, and a lot smaller than the .avi .
  30. DaisyDontDukeSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 04:40
    Peta sucks ass. Thats why I homeschool. Too many fuckers trying to fill my kids' heads with stupid shit I don't agree with. My 4 yr. old daughter hunts, already has her lifetime hunting license. Ask her what a deer is good for, and she'll say to shoot and eat. There is nothing wrong with eating meat and hunting. People are so freakin extreme in every direction its exhausting. Now, I don't agree with animal torture just for kicks...why the fuck would someone do that is beyond me.
  31. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 05:25
    ^^^ Total agreement from me Daisy. I used to be anti hunting, but then I realised that it's hypocritical for any non-vegetarian to be so. Fishing is hunting too, as long as you eat what you catch. Catch and release fishing is just sadism and trophy fishing is pretty pointless in my view. While I don't eat much meat, I do enjoy it a lot. Plus, the incredible nutritional value of meat is quite literally what enabled humans to evolve such large brains. "No way man, your body is a temple and you can't fill it with dead flesh... wow, I feel faint." <Thump>
  32. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 09:37
    Man, PETA make me heave. They're so hypocritical. I saw that Penn & Teller episode where the president of PETA's excuse for using insulin, was so that she could continue to live and protect more animals. In other words the ends justify the means. I don't agree with animal abuse, but PETA just go way overboard. They support groups like ALF and shit who blow up farms and labs and cause damage and harm to property. I won't support any group that feels they need to cause damage to get their point across. Especially a bunch of ass-backwards cocksuckers who just know everything. I also have a problem with the SPCA and RSPCA acting like they're the animal police. Of course dumbfucks like m brother in law, who also just know EVERYTHING, think that they are. Like they can just come in your house, demand to see your animals and take them away. The RSPCA have about as much authority as your next door neighbor, they can be granted custody through the courts but they're a charity, not the cops.
  33. Puffball JSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 10:16
    I hate Peta, I'm going to eat as much meat as possible in my time on earth and they aren't going to stop me. They're just a bunch of namby-pamby dipshits whose brains turned to mush from not eating enough protein.
  34. T-Lovin-ManSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 10:20
    These fuckers were even outside of a circus event we went to a few years ago. I had to be a smartass so I went in and bought every one of them a hamburger and brought them out and gave them to them, they looked at me like I was nuts.....well, they're right. I am nuts So I said....Eat up!!! and I walked away.
  35. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 11:35
    Animal 'rights' actvists do have some valid points, but they need to chill the fuck out. I'd really, really REALLY like to see Pam Anderson go up a Kenyan cattle herd and explain why he should get rid of the beasts, buy a tractor and plant Soy. No, scratch that: I'd like to see her try it on with a bloody New Guinean: http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w38/nickvalenza/pix003…
  36. DaisyDontDukeSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 11:40
    ^^^:omg:
  37. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 11:59
    Would anyone be interested in reading all the GOOD things PETA has done? Or is this topic just ot bash? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  38. Satan's Uncle RonSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 12:06
    Fucking retards. I love how they say they are following in the foot steps of Dr King and Gandhi. They don't know shit about civil disobedience(PETA, ELF, Earth First!, etc), what they are doing is terrorism, and Dr King and Gandhi would bitch slap them in the face if they were alive today. They have no respect for the law and what they are doing is aggressive, not passive. I would love to get one of those comics just so I could laugh in the PETA reps face as he/she handed it to me. I love meat, I won't ever stop eating it. I'm going to go buy a big steak and cook it nice and bloody.
  39. Heero ValentineSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 12:07
    http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Peta#PETA
  40. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 12:08
    Would anyone be interested in reading all the GOOD things PETA has done? Or is this topic just ot bash? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria I think, at least one person has mentioned that PETA does do some good things. The group, as a whole, is completely corrupt though. They have slandered people and groups with fake videos and pictures. I believe it was in Virginia that they offered to care for and adopt out abandoned animals, but killed them instead before they even reached their care facility. Hell, PETA has killed more dogs than Michael Vick. I won't support a group that doesn't hold their people responsible for irresponsible actions. I would rather support local groups, such as my local Humane Society (not affiliated with The Humane Society of the United States). It's like Greenpeace. It started out as a good idea, and was then overrun by idiots. The guy who started greenpeace isn't even a member any more because he realized that it had turned into a group for retards, that went as far as trying to ban an element on the periodic table.
  41. Heero ValentineSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 12:11
    "Like all alarmist organizations, PETA is a "Look at you, not at me" bunch, who admit to having a walk-in freezer in their headquarters for the storage of animal carcasses, a by-the-pound deal with a pet crematorium, and sending crews out to animal hospitals and pet shelters to pick up animals under the impression that they're going to find the animals new homes; in reality, they euthanize them in the back of their vans and dump the bodies behind the Piggly Wiggly across the state line. They also steal hunting dogs and destroy their radio collars."
  42. Satan's Uncle RonSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 12:11
    Would anyone be interested in reading all the GOOD things PETA has done? Or is this topic just ot bash? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria It's great that they do good things for animals. Not everybody in PETA is bad, it's the radicals that make these organizations look like POS's. When they start blowing up buildings, teaching people how to make improvised bombs, breaking into buildings is when people look past the positive aspects of their group and only see the dangerous people in it.
  43. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 12:15
    Hey, Let's talk about all the good things that Enron did, or maybe we can talk about the schools that Hamas built in Lebanon. Mike Vick gave money to charity. John Wayne Gacy made kids laugh....before he killed them. Do you see what I'm getting at?
  44. footballbatSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 12:18
    ^^^^ You forgot Hitler. He came up with the idea for the Autobahn and the VW Bug.:xyxthumbs: The only thing I want to know about PETA, is where the Ingrid Newkirk BBQ is going to be held, after she dies.:1bluewinky:
  45. Heero ValentineSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 12:21
    ^^^^ xD now that would be some epic lulz...
  46. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 12:48
    Hey, Let's talk about all the good things that Enron did, or maybe we can talk about the schools that Hamas built in Lebanon. Mike Vick gave money to charity. John Wayne Gacy made kids laugh....before he killed them. Do you see what I'm getting at? I understand the point you make. Couldn't we apply the same method to our political leaders actions and have the same problem? I think most are against the violence but I do appreciated many of the non-violent and radical tactics they use. It does get a message out. Much more than this half naked girl with a python can get. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  47. sibSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 13:15
    What do you feed your snakes, Maria? I think it would be naive to think your profession is not at odds with peta's stance toward animals. Don't you think peta would take issue with captive wild things and a supply chain of living animals bred specifically to feed those captive wild things?
  48. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 13:42
    I understand the point you make. Couldn't we apply the same method to our political leaders actions and have the same problem? This is very true, and I do complain about individual politicians. We only have one government though, and all I can do is speak up when I don't agree and vote. When it comes to PETA, I have other options. I can support groups that I agree with, and speak up when I don't think that PETA is acting responsibly. I think most are against the violence but I do appreciated many of the non-violent and radical tactics they use. It does get a message out. Much more than this half naked girl with a python can get. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria To have PETA as your spokesperson is kind of like having Al Sharpton speak on your behalf. They are both polarizing, and can hurt your cause. Look at some of the reactions just on this board. Some people want to eat more meat, just to spite PETA. There are people in Atlanta who are NOW in support of dog fighting and Mike Vick, just because PETA is on the other side of the argument. Maria, you are a better spokesperson against animal cruelty, even if you don't reach as many people. You actually care for and protect your animals, and do it in a sensible and reasonable manner. I've never heard anyone say, "Damn that Snakebabe, she makes me want to kill snakes.". A lot of times, it really does matter who is representing your cause. Nobody get their nose bent out of shape when Bill Clinton bombed Serbia. Now imagine if Serbia and Kosovo had a conflict today, and Bush gave the order. The nation would percieve it differently, because of the track record on such matters.
  49. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 13:56
    What do you feed your snakes, Maria? I think it would be naive to think your profession is not at odds with peta's stance toward animals. Don't you think peta would take issue with captive wild things and a supply chain of living animals bred specifically to feed those captive wild things? Naive? Did I say I give 100% support to them or any organization? I am stating they do a lot of good too in a very difficult situation. Just like our political leaders, our church leaders even us here in this forum. We are all imperfect beings. I support the good they do and fight with them on the wrong they do. Is that hard to understand? Are your comments posted to fix the situation in an effort to end animal abuse or just to bash bash bash while offering no answers? You talk of them killing dogs (which was wrong) but what answers do you offer to the 8-9 million dogs and cats a year being gassed due to careless pet owners. How about being part of the solution and not just pointing fingers. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  50. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 14:00
    This is very true, and I do complain about individual politicians. We only have one government though, and all I can do is speak up when I don't agree and vote. :smilie_flagge13: When it comes to PETA, I have other options. I can support groups that I agree with, and speak up when I don't think that PETA is acting responsibly. and I support others too. thanks :) Maria, you are a better spokesperson against animal cruelty, even if you don't reach as many people. You actually care for and protect your animals, and do it in a sensible and reasonable manner. I've never heard anyone say, "Damn that Snakebabe, she makes me want to kill snakes.". . Thanks A lot of times, it really does matter who is representing your cause. Nobody get their nose bent out of shape when Bill Clinton bombed Serbia. Now imagine if Serbia and Kosovo had a conflict today, and Bush gave the order. The nation would percieve it differently, because of the track record on such matters. regretfully true...
  51. boo_cockySalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 14:06
    Naive? Did I say I give 100% support to them or any organization? I am stating they do a lot of good too in a very difficult situation. Just like our political leaders, our church leaders even us here in this forum. We are all imperfect beings. I support the good they do and fight with them on the wrong they do. Is that hard to understand? Are your comments posted to fix the situation in an effort to end animal abuse or just to bash bash bash while offering no answers? You talk of them killing dogs (which was wrong) but what answers do you offer to the 8-9 million dogs and cats a year being gassed due to careless pet owners. How about being part of the solution and not just pointing fingers. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria lol...so true. It amazes me how defiant and self-righteous some people are in this forum, when the reality is, they're too drunk and stoned to do ANYTHING about it in real life. Bitching about a cause on here doesn't solve a damn thing...and if you're not involved in helping the cause, you're part of the problem and have no right to 'act' like you're passionate about your opinion one way or the other. So, either man up and take action in real life, or STFU and stop being an actionless hypocrite...Faith without works is dead.
  52. crazee horseSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 14:14
    nooooo! I keep agreeing with everything you say butterz. Unless its a problem cull, i think you should only kill humanly to eat. Fuck the jap's they are barbaric. I recently disturbed a bunch of prick's on a fox hunt blaring my horn etc. Fuck 'em. And whilst im having a rant jigga is a prick.
  53. boo_cockySalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 14:17
    nooooo! I keep agreeing with everything you say butterz. Unless its a problem cull, i think you should only kill humanly to eat. Fuck the jap's they are barbaric. I recently disturbed a bunch of prick's on a fox hunt blaring my horn etc. Fuck 'em. And whilst im having a rant jigga is a prick. lol...is agreeing with me a bad thing? :1bluewinky: I just think PETA serves a good purpose, but I'm not passionate about it either way...the situation isn't lopsided enough for me to get involved, imo.
  54. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 15:01
    I think more people would adopt animals if there wasn't as much bureacrucy involved. PETA are too up their own asses for my liking, the few things they do right don't outshine the things they do wrong IMO. I wish someone would throw paint on one of my fox furs, there'd be murder afoot!
  55. boo_cockySalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 15:07
    Ahhhh...the FIRST time I disagree with you, VK...but I still love ya! Fur coats, imo, are total vanity. They are expensive, and the animals are killed solely for the purpose of their fur...not for food, leather, etc...nothing useful. To me, that's wrong... If it were a coat made from cow or chicken or any other animal who's body was already being used for something useful, that would be different...but, foxes, rabbits and minks (sp?) aren't killed for a useful purpose, they're killed so some rich snob can feel important in his/her fur coat.
  56. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 15:09
    I recently tried to adopt a troubled dog from the Chicago English Bulldog Rescue. It was perfect for me, because it has some sort of temperment disorder, but I live alone. They say it gets attached to its owner, and gets moody with anybody else who lives in the house. Sounds perfect for a guy living by himself, doesn't it? (I get moody if there is anyone else living in my house too. I don't like living with others.) I'll be damned if they didn't tell me I live just East of their geographical cut-off. I'm sorry, but that poor guy needed a home. I'm right here, with no dog. I can drive to the adoption center in just over an hour. Oh well. I guess I just have to keep looking.
  57. cheese muffinSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 15:16
    does peta support keeping dogs, cats, etc as pets? lol or does this fall under the definition of captivity?
  58. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 15:23
    does peta support keeping dogs, cats, etc as pets? lol or does this fall under the definition of captivity? This is directly from their website. Animal Rights Uncompromised: PETA on 'Pets' We at PETA very much love the animal companions who share our homes, but we believe that it would have been in the animals' best interests if the institution of "pet keeping"—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as "pets"—never existed. The international pastime of domesticating animals has created an overpopulation crisis; as a result, millions of unwanted animals are destroyed every year as "surplus." This selfish desire to possess animals and receive love from them causes immeasurable suffering, which results from manipulating their breeding, selling or giving them away casually, and depriving them of the opportunity to engage in their natural behavior. Their lives are restricted to human homes where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to. Because domesticated animals retain many of their basic instincts and drives but are not able to survive on their own in the wild, dogs, cats, or birds, whose strongest desire is to be free, must be confined to a house, yard, or cage for their own safety. This is a "best case" scenario. The truth is that millions of dogs spend their lives outside on heavy chains in all weather extremes, or they are kept locked up in tiny chain-link pens from which they can only watch the world go by. Millions more are confined to filthy wire cages in puppy mills—forced to churn out litter after litter until they wear out, at which time they are killed or dumped at the local animal shelter. Even in "good" homes, cats must relieve themselves in dirty litterboxes and often have their digits removed by "declawing," and dogs often have to drink water that has sat around for days, are hurried along on their walks, and are yelled at to get off the furniture or be quiet. Most compassionate people never think that someone would throw a litter of kittens out the window of a moving car, and they would certainly be shocked by PETA's inches-thick files on cases of dogs and cats who have been shot with arrows, blown up with firecrackers, doused in gasoline and set on fire, cooked in microwave ovens, used as "bait" in dogfights, tortured in satanic rituals, beaten with baseball bats by bored kids, dragged behind cars to "teach them a lesson" for running away, or bound in duct tape to silence their barking. Abuses such as these happen to many animals every day. Contrary to myth, PETA does not want to confiscate animals who are well cared for and "set them free." What we want is for the population of dogs and cats to be reduced through spaying and neutering and for people to adopt animals (preferably two so that they can keep each other company when their human companions aren't home) from pounds or shelters—never from pet shops or breeders—thereby reducing suffering in the world.
  59. TaurinoSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 15:50
    Screw PETA, I'm gonna go eat more steaks for my cause. And I'll by a fur coat when I have the money, Make it 20 more fur coats. Kids in Southeast Asia need to eat to you know? So yah I'm gonna buy a 100 fur coats so those kids will have more money so they can eat and sleep comfortably. Screw animals, we're above them and we'll use them like we've been using them since the time man started thinking. So yeah I'm gonna eat more steak and buy fur coats for my side of the cause. Muahhaah. Peta = Losers.
  60. Anony-mousSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 16:41
    PETA is 'pro animals' PFFFT! PETA is in support of BSL. they support the termination of THOUSANDS of pit bull and bully breeds around the country. if i ever met the CEO of PETA i would have a REALLY hard time restraning myself from seriously harming him.
  61. crazee horseSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 16:42
    in all honesty thats the waste of post childish reply a lot me up have come to expect. Do you live with jigga in some homosexual love shack?
  62. Anony-mousSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 16:44
    in all honesty thats the waste of post childish reply a lot me up have come to expect. Do you live with jigga in some homosexual love shack? that post made absolutely no sense to me lol
  63. NanabungaSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 16:49
    that post made absolutely no sense to me lol yeah huh, I gotta agree with the underlined sentence not making sense . . . me'ed is still spinning from that one. :omg:
  64. Anony-mousSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 16:51
    lol glad to hear im not just retarded
  65. boo_cockySalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 16:54
    PETA is 'pro animals' PFFFT! PETA is in support of BSL. they support the termination of THOUSANDS of pit bull and bully breeds around the country. if i ever met the CEO of PETA i would have a REALLY hard time restraning myself from seriously harming him. lmao...dude, you can't harm anyone! You're obviously a little pussy who needs to troll the internet to feel manly...real men don't have the need or desire to do so... You couldn't hurt a fly...you're a little rag doll who's probably been kicked around his whole life.
  66. boo_cockySalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 16:56
    Screw PETA, I'm gonna go eat more steaks for my cause. And I'll by a fur coat when I have the money, Make it 20 more fur coats. Kids in Southeast Asia need to eat to you know? So yah I'm gonna buy a 100 fur coats so those kids will have more money so they can eat and sleep comfortably. Screw animals, we're above them and we'll use them like we've been using them since the time man started thinking. So yeah I'm gonna eat more steak and buy fur coats for my side of the cause. Muahhaah. Peta = Losers. lmao...a Mexican in a fur coat...that's an oxy-moron if I've ever heard one! How you going to come up with the money rolling tortillas? You'd probably look real pretty in it though, I'm sure! :xyxthumbs:
  67. Anony-mousSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 16:58
    lmao...dude, you can't harm anyone! You're obviously a little pussy who needs to troll the internet to feel manly...real men don't have the need or desire to do so... You couldn't hurt a fly...you're a little rag doll who's probably been kicked around his whole life. your right, i couldnt hurt a fly.i love animals and i have a special connection with them that i cant make with humans. i could, and have, put some people in the hospital. no, i wasnt kicked around all my life, i have tons of friends and a nice, and hot girl friend. i also usually spend about 2 hours in the gym every night after classes. in case you didnt see my picture i posted i am actually pretty built.
  68. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 16:59
    lol glad to hear im not just retarded Yes, but yew are! Here's Jigga's Picture again... http://www.eatmybomb.com/wp-content/retarded.jpg
  69. Anony-mousSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 17:00
    oh shit how'd you get that?!?!? lmao
  70. _booted_Salvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 17:04
    Yes, but yew are! Here's Jigga's Picture again... http://www.eatmybomb.com/wp-content/retarded.jpg Nah.. That's PWX http://filecabi.net/forum/showthread.php?p=252455#post252455
  71. crazee horseSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 17:14
    rofl somebody get big ozzie a cigar. I just pissed myself laughing! Oh and jigga, the majority say YES you are a retard. RETARD ROFL
  72. Anony-mousSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 17:18
    rofl somebody get big ozzie a cigar. I just pissed myself laughing! Oh and jigga, the majority say YES you are a retard. RETARD ROFL are you and ozzie the majority?
  73. crazee horseSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 17:22
    ha,ha,ha, retard. X for your mother
  74. Anony-mousSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 17:25
    ignore feature ftw
  75. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 19:01
    in all honesty thats the waste of post childish reply a lot me up have come to expect. Do you live with jigga in some homosexual love shack? that post made absolutely no sense to me lol yeah huh, I gotta agree with the underlined sentence not making sense . . . me'ed is still spinning from that one. :omg:It made sense, but the grammar made me want to smash stuff.
  76. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 19:04
    Yes, but yew are! Here's Jigga's Picture again... http://www.eatmybomb.com/wp-content/retarded.jpgNah, that's PWX's more successful little brother. "Whyn't y'all be like y'r brother Clem ain' git yawself yaw own garbage truck?"
  77. boo_cockySalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 19:12
    are you and ozzie the majority? ...add Butterz to that majority...and the numbers are still climbing! :xyxthumbs:
  78. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 19:16
    ^^^ Polling booth is open: Vote or die mothertruckers! ;)
  79. Anony-mousSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 19:49
    5:1.. hmmm
  80. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 20:08
    ^^^ Stop measuring it matey. Oh, and I thought that in the USA you used inches? :confused:
  81. Anony-mousSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 20:10
    5:2
  82. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 20:25
    ^^^ Shagadelic. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/Michiru08/Austin%20… Do you want me to keep talking in this accent baybee? Does that turn you on?
  83. Anony-mousSalvaged from archive2 Nov 2007, 20:25
    ....oh god 6:2
  84. RaidenatorSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 02:59
    http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/7137/bigpot6we6.jpg
  85. TaurinoSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 03:01
    lmao...a Mexican in a fur coat...that's an oxy-moron if I've ever heard one! How you going to come up with the money rolling tortillas? You'd probably look real pretty in it though, I'm sure! :xyxthumbs: well shit, my people aren't poor enough to be skinning animals for their fur, that's dem 3rd world countries job. But yeah I would look pretty in a fur coat. I'm thinking mink?
  86. boo_cockySalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 03:16
    well shit, my people aren't poor enough to be skinning animals for their fur, that's dem 3rd world countries job. But yeah I would look pretty in a fur coat. I'm thinking mink? lol Mink would give you that 'Pimp of the Year' look...that'll work!
  87. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 04:20
    There's nothing wrong with a bit of fur, Butterz. What makes you think they don't use all parts of the animal? Most of it's made in the orient correct? They probably eat the meat, they'd be stupid to just throw the meat away. Especially rabbit. I don't feel bad about it, the furs I have are older than I am, I don't have the full coat yet, just a mink stole and two fox pelts. You know with the heads, tails, and feet. A 2007 model is a few thousand dollars, I dont think so homegirl. BUT Amazon was selling a leather coat with a silver fox fur collar, super cute. I LOVE TEH FUR!
  88. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 04:43
    With fur: There's a limit somewhere. I don't know where exactly, but certainly keeping little critters in cages for their entire lives just ain't right when the sole benefit is to make something pretty and warm. Pete's sake, it's the 21st century- we have synthetics that are pretty close to the real thing. Ok, ok- the feel is totally different and anyone can tell the difference at a glance. So what? Synthetics can be far more durable and just as warm- plus they're lighter. [edit] Living in Perth, and never having seen snow I should probably STFU before I make a complete idiot of myself. Oh, and ditch all my belts, shoes and leather jacket to avoid being a hypocrite.
  89. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 11:44
    There's nothing wrong with a bit of fur, ....I LOVE TEH FUR! Would you be wiling to watch a video about how fur is produced? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  90. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 12:19
    Would you be wiling to watch a video about how fur is produced? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria mmmmm, Please Don't.
  91. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 13:20
    I've seen the videos Maria. I'll have a poblem with the fur trade when slaughter houses cease to exist. I'm not going to feel bad about an animal being produced for fur when I eat chickens and cows that suffer similar treatment. I'm not saying all animals, there is something unholy about a lion or tiger being killed for fur. I'm not too worried about foxes or rabbits, it's one of the perks of being at the top of the food chain, sorry but thats just how I feel. Don't get me wrong, if there were a more humane way to skin an animal i'm all for it, some of those vids are sick. Oh well.
  92. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 13:26
    But why??? If there is nothing wrong with a bit of pretty fur to wear? What wrong with years of torture, abuse starvation, pain and suffering? Why would seeing it be bad? http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z232/TheSnakeBabe/foxt… http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z232/TheSnakeBabe/morg… We gotta keep VK happy Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  93. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 13:28
    ...there is something unholy about a lion or tiger being killed for fur. .... Can you explain the difference please? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  94. boo_cockySalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 13:40
    [edit] Living in Perth, and never having seen snow I should probably STFU before I make a complete idiot of myself. Oh, and ditch all my belts, shoes and leather jacket to avoid being a hypocrite. I have no problem with leather coats, shoes, belts, etc...cows are used for food, and almost every other part of the cow is already available, so why waste it? Make up a few handbags and coats with it! My point is, killling 100 minks for a coat is a waste...the sole purpose for killing them is for the fur, and it's not necessary. We don't need mink coats to survive, there's no shortage of coats out there. That's just my opinion...there's no law against it (in most places), so people are free to enjoy as they wish. The Bible says that God made man ruler of the Earth, and that all plants and animals were for his use...but, I still say it falls into gluttony and vanity when you're killing an animal solely for 'bling'...it's not necessary.
  95. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 13:42
    I've seen the videos Maria. I'll have a poblem with the fur trade when slaughter houses cease to exist. .... Since you have seen the videos can you please tell me why pain, suffering, torturer and starvation of innocent animals for no purpose other than for you to have something pretty to wear are not issues to you? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  96. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 13:48
    But why??? If there is nothing wrong with a bit of pretty fur to wear? What wrong with years of torture, abuse starvation, pain and suffering? Why would seeing it be bad? http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z232/TheSnakeBabe/foxt… http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z232/TheSnakeBabe/morg… We gotta keep VK happy Hugs and Hissessss, Maria OK, I don't know what you're talking about. I said no cause i've seen the dumb videos, they were gross. I'm not going to watch them over and over, just cause i've got pelts. I've got nothing to prove to anyone and i'm not apologizing for buying furs, sorry. I don't have a problem watching animals being killed in a horrid manner, do I prefer to watch it? No, not really. I don't know what you're getting at Maria, just calm down. Shooting a lion and skinning a rabbit are two different things. For one lions are mostly trophies, not used for fur or meat, just so Uncle Moneybags can say 'I shot a lion, it's head is on my wall.' A rabbit is, used for fur and are probably eatten afterward as well. I don't see a point in killing an animal just for the hell of it, thats not my thing. Making him to a cool hat or a delicious meal is something entirely different though. I don't understand how you can be upset.
  97. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 13:55
    Since you have seen the videos can you please tell me why pain, suffering, torturer and starvation of innocent animals for no purpose other than for you to have something pretty to wear are not issues to you? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria No, not really.
  98. Anony-mousSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 14:13
    BATTLE ROYALE
  99. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 14:43
    No, not really. wow
  100. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 14:46
    .... I don't have a problem watching animals being killed in a horrid manner, .... wow Does anyone see a concern with this statement? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  101. boo_cockySalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 14:48
    wow Does anyone see a concern with this statement? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria I don't believe her...I think she's fluffing it...she just puked out her window the other day from a scat video...there's no way she doesn't puke watching where her fur coat came from. She's just trying to win a debate with you, imo.
  102. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 15:00
    Scat is just gross, I don't do well with poopoo, if you want to think i've got a glass stomach then be my guest. I don't really care. Maria, you took my statement out of context, if you'd like you can quote the whole sentence, that would make sense. Whatever though. Like I said i've got nothing to prove, nothing to explain, you guys are getting more worked up than I am.
  103. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 15:09
    Ice cream- I swear to god it was ice cream. Now, where's the harm in killing any animal for food or for clothing, provided a: it's done very quickly b: the animal hasn't suffered all it's life c: it's not about to go the way of the Dodo? Not going into the vanity/fashion issue at all VK: There's a hole in your argument: You say that chickens and cows suffer similar treatment. This is untrue, or at least a gross generalisation. While it's true that battery hens are treated appalingly, not all hens are battery hens. Yes, I eat eggs. I used to eat battery eggs all the time until I taste compared a battery and a free range egg, simply poached: There is no comparison. Free range animal meat always tastes better because the animals aren't stressed. Animals are also slaughtered quickly- beef using a bolt gun to the brain. How does that compare to leg traps or a lifetime in a cage? Now, I'm fully aware that I too was generalising in the last para. Can you tell if a fur was produced without undue misery to the anmals, or is that honestly not an issue with you? I can choose quality meat- and the quality of the meat directly correlates to the quality of life that the animal had.
  104. boo_cockySalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 15:11
    Scat is just gross, I don't do well with poopoo, if you want to think i've got a glass stomach then be my guest. I don't really care. Maria, you took my statement out of context, if you'd like you can quote the whole sentence, that would make sense. Whatever though. Like I said i've got nothing to prove, nothing to explain, you guys are getting more worked up than I am. Honestly, I'm not getting worked up at all...not to sound callous, but I could care less. I have friends with fur coats, it doesn't mean I don't like my friends...I just find THAT particular aspect of them vain, that's all. Look, if it's legal, then it's legal...who cares? Personally, I think it's wrong and feel bad for the animals being wasted for clothing, but I really don't have a passion for it. I'm much more concerned with starving children in this world, getting my taxes paid off and giving my wife a good shagging tonight! (Metallica finally putting out a decent album would be nice, too!)
  105. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 15:22
    ... Maria, you took my statement out of context, if you'd like you can quote the whole sentence, that would make sense. Whatever though. .... I don’t think I did but if so please correct me, what you meant by …. I don't have a problem watching animals being killed in a horrid manner, …. I would like to fully understand ….Maria, just calm down. . I am calm, what did I post that makes you think otherwise? I am just questioning anyone who cares so little for the suffering of lesser creatures. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  106. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 15:28
    .... I'm much more concerned with starving children in this world, ... An admirable cause. Those of us involved in charity work we often pick a cause that touches us in one way or another. For some its kids, for me its animals. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  107. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 15:31
    ...Now, where's the harm in killing any animal for food or for clothing, provided a: it's done very quickly b: the animal hasn't suffered all it's life c: it's not about to go the way of the Dodo? ........ Free range animal meat always tastes better because the animals aren't stressed. Animals are also slaughtered quickly- beef using a bolt gun to the brain. How does that compare to leg traps or a lifetime in a cage? Good for you!
  108. crazee horseSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 15:45
    maria your so politically correct. You never argue or poke fun unless you 200% correct. You should run for state. And impose death on those who disagree. P.s. Im on your side!
  109. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 15:55
    maria your so politically correct. You never argue or poke fun unless you 200% correct. You should run for state. And impose death on those who disagree. P.s. Im on your side! SnakeBabe for President of the WORLD …I like that. :cool: Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  110. crazee horseSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 16:04
    are you really that nice a person or seriously sarcastic? Rofl only joking. I find people like ourselves who are animal lovers are a LOT different and happier to others.
  111. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 16:20
    are you really that nice a person .... Nah, I’m evil. Didn’t you read my latest rep? I have no morals or so I am told. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  112. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 16:20
    OK, this is going a bit too far, I don't want to debate the fur issue anymore. my ideas are as follow: 1. I buy fur 2. It is not my concern whether the animal played in a forest before it died or was caught in a snair 3. You can have your opinion, I have mine. You are not going to convince me that buying fur is wrong of that I should feel guilty, just like i'm not going to convince you......well i'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. 4. I'm not discussing this further with anyone, I don't have contempt for animals but I don't love them either. I love MY animals but thats about it. 5. I love fur, nothings going to change that, PETA can get fucked, if I could I would open up a shop that sold furs. That is just how much I adore and respect the fur industry. If you don't like it, don't do it, but don't try to convince me otherwise. If you still have questions start from statement one (1) and repeat until it sinks in. I'm starting to get annoied with this and I don't want to be mean or nasty, I like all of the people i'm 'debating' with but this is going a bit too far for my simple taste. PS I hope none of you own leather, I wouldn't have to call hypocrite/bullshit. Monty, I take it you've not seen the videos of cows getting their tracheas ripped out and bleeding to death in a pen until they die? And faux fur maybe more ethical but theres nothing like real fur. it's like getting a hug from a bunch of furry friends all day long.
  113. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 16:22
    maria your so politically correct. You never argue or poke fun unless you 200% correct. ... I often learn more from those I disagree with so I just enjoy honest discussion. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  114. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 16:26
    I find people like ourselves who are animal lovers are a LOT different and happier to others. Wow, what an arrogant and self righteous thing to say, get over yourself. God what a douche, one of the main reasons......no, nevermind.
  115. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 16:42
    OK, this is going a bit too far, I don't want to debate the fur issue anymore. Yet you go on and give us 5 more things to debate. I’m confused. Should I stop? 1. I buy fur 2. It is not my concern whether the animal played in a forest before it died or was caught in a snair... This I understand. What I have a hard time grasping is why you care not for the suffering of innocent animals for no reason other than vanity. 4. I'm not discussing this further with anyone, I don't have contempt for animals but I don't love them either. I love MY animals but thats about it. . So am I to assume that an animal’s only value is if it is your possession? Only your animals need to be protected from pain? 5. I love fur, nothings going to change that, PETA can get fucked, if I could I would open up a shop that sold furs. That is just how much I adore and respect the fur industry. If you don't like it, don't do it, but don't try to convince me otherwise. . Its legal, you can love fur all you like. I didn’t think I was going to convince you of not loving fur. I questioned why animals suffering 24 hours a day for vanity means nothing to you. If you still have questions start from statement one (1) and repeat until it sinks in. I'm starting to get annoied with this and I don't want to be mean or nasty, I like all of the people i'm 'debating' with but this is going a bit too far for my simple taste. . I think get it, you love fur. Your own desires, wants and vanity are more important than an innocent animals suffering. No need for me to read statement one again. Do I have it right? I'm starting to get annoied. Being ‘annoyed’ must be awful for you…but think how much more it must be annoying for the animals suffering for your own personal vanity. At least you can log of and ignore me. Animals will still be starved, unable to experience any natural behaviors or feel freedom only to die painful deaths again for what…vanity. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  116. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 16:43
    Wow, what an arrogant and self righteous thing to say, get over yourself. God what a douche, one of the main reasons......no, nevermind. See item #4
  117. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 17:04
    ...And faux fur maybe more ethical but theres nothing like real fur. it's like getting a hug from a bunch of furry friends all day long. Did you really post that????? Somehow I think the furry friends would rather keep their flesh. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  118. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 17:15
    See item #4 Except I never compared my belief system in relation to my happiness. Implying that those who disagree with me are not as happy because they don't feel the same way I do. I posted those 5 things as a decleration in plain Black & White so you dont have to go trudging through my posts. Contrary to your previous posts, you are not calm, calm people don't have 3 posts in a row to the sae person over the same thing. 'granted one is a bit different but still.
  119. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 17:22
    Yet you go on and give us 5 more things to debate. I’m confused. Should I stop? Do what you want This I understand. What I have a hard time grasping is why you care not for the suffering of innocent animals for no reason other than vanity. I answered that So am I to assume that an animal’s only value is if it is your possession? Only your animals need to be protected from pain? Pretty much, whether or not you want to accept it, animals are livestock. A stray cat has no money value, a house cat does. I'm not worried about animals that aren't mine Its legal, you can love fur all you like. I didn’t think I was going to convince you of not loving fur. I questioned why animals suffering 24 hours a day for vanity means nothing to you. Just doesnt I think get it, you love fur. Your own desires, wants and vanity are more important than an innocent animals suffering. No need for me to read statement one again. Do I have it right? You're getting there. Being ‘annoyed’ must be awful for you…but think how much more it must be annoying for the animals suffering for your own personal vanity. At least you can log of and ignore me. Animals will still be starved, unable to experience any natural behaviors or feel freedom only to die painful deaths again for what…vanity. See, you almost had it *tsk* now i'm going to have to suggest you start from 1 again. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria Yep
  120. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 17:23
    Item 4 4. I'm not discussing this further with anyone, . Yet here you are again. Contrary to your previous posts, you are not calm, calm people don't have 3 posts in a row to the sae person over the same thing. 'granted one is a bit different but still. Can you please tell me how the number of posts a person makes determines calmness? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  121. Heero ValentineSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 17:25
    and VK that's exactly why i always GTFO when SnakeBabe starts ranting about animal causes and the PETA. she will make you braindead until you agree with her... nothing personal SnakeBabe, you're great member but i just can't stand your endless PETA and animal rants.
  122. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 17:26
    We're not discussing fur in itself, we're discussing crayzee's comment and i'm answering some of your snide remarks. Case & point: Q:Can you please tell me how the number of posts a person makes determines calmness? A: Less than 3
  123. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 17:31
    Q:Can you please tell me how the number of posts a person makes determines calmness? A: Less than 3 :1orglaugh: good one
  124. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 17:34
    . she will make you braindead until you agree with her... nothing personal SnakeBabe, you're great member but i just can't stand your endless PETA and animal rants. :rolleyes: So you agree with Vk? That is ok to subject animals to a life of suffering just for vanity? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria (See, you should stayed out of it lol)
  125. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 17:39
    :rolleyes: So you agree with Vk? That is ok to subject animals to a life of suffering just for vanity? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria (See, you should stayed out of it lol) Yeah i'm kind of a big deal around here *rubs backs of fingers on shirt*
  126. Heero ValentineSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 17:40
    xD my point exactly. but no rly. out of vanity is kinda lame... but point is the animals are already suffering to be sold as meat. might as well use the fur too :/
  127. ceehound619Salvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 17:48
    People that condone skinning of small animals to make fur coats are themselves only 2-legged animals....how you can justify that is beyond me.... pathetic......but that is what the low element of humans have become.... vicious,self centered,arrogant dictators that are indicative of a need for mass extinction.
  128. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 17:54
    xD my point exactly. but no rly. out of vanity is kinda lame... but point is the animals are already suffering to be sold as meat. might as well use the fur too :/ Thats what im saying, girlfriend.
  129. ceehound619Salvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 18:01
    I think more people would adopt animals if there wasn't as much bureacrucy involved. PETA are too up their own asses for my liking, the few things they do right don't outshine the things they do wrong IMO. I wish someone would throw paint on one of my fox furs, there'd be murder afoot! Murder afoot?? with that ignorant attitude I HARDLY think YOUR murder would be any more meaningless/meaningful then the murder of the FOUR legged animals murdered to make your pathetic coat. Your lack of compassion speaks to your character or lack thereof.
  130. ceehound619Salvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 18:04
    Peta I hate those bastards too... They bring that shit to my kids school I will find the chapter that was handing it out, and make a little visit to them... hell I might even bring some dead animals to drop on thier step... I WILL TEACH MY CHILD RIGHT AND WRONG... not some tree hugging hippy bastard with his head up his ass... I will fucking ruin their day (in my own special way) if they come near my kid... So you think dead animals are funny?? if so... I venture you are brain dead....a shame you reproduced.
  131. ceehound619Salvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 18:07
    8) :D you may be a pimp on tuesday... but you are also a moron EVERY day.
  132. BorroSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 18:08
    An admirable cause. Those of us involved in charity work we often pick a cause that touches us in one way or another. For some its kids, for me its animals. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I love these PETA folks that care more about a squirrel than another human being. For some it's kids, for me it's animals......HAHAHAHAHA Oh ghad I can't stop laughing at this. Priceless.
  133. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 18:11
    I brought a ladder so you can climb off of your high horse. You've missed the whole discussion, no one was arguing till you came in here bumping your gums. OOOOoooOOOO i've got no character.......*rolls eyes* whatever. You cant even debate with someone who doesn't agree with your opinion, I don't know who you think you are but you're nothing special, just cause you've got compassion? Talk about a God complex.
  134. ceehound619Salvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 18:11
    I think alot of people here are missing the point... this argument is not a "us or them" premise... I am not advocating that animals are more important then humans....HOWEVER... animals deserve HUMANE treatment....to believe otherwise is to think as a two legged animal.
  135. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 18:14
    No one is denying that animals don't deserve humane treatment.
  136. BorroSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 18:16
    *stirs the pot* :banana_sml:
  137. ceehound619Salvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 18:17
    No one is denying that animals don't deserve humane treatment. You say " I will have a problem with the fur trade when slaughter houses cease to exist" .....have you SEEN how animals in the fur trade are murdered??? do you really believe humane methods are involved???. by your own hypocritical words you admit that you are okay with animals NOT being treated humanely.... ffs.... stay consistent.
  138. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 18:23
    No, you're not understanding me. While animals dont deserve abuse, that doesn't mean i'm going to stop supportng the industry. It would be nice if it were a quick kill, but you're not going to see me protesting humane treatment. I just choose to do nothing about it, it's not a passion or pulls my heart strings. I couldnt do any skinning of live animals but i'm not going to stop buying the products.
  139. ceehound619Salvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 18:27
    No, you're not understanding me. While animals dont deserve abuse, that doesn't mean i'm going to stop supportng the industry. It would be nice if it were a quick kill, but you're not going to see me protesting humane treatment. I just choose to do nothing about it, it's not a passion or pulls my heart strings. I couldnt do any skinning of live animals but i'm not going to stop buying the products. I understand...I was only pointing out you being hypocritical with those two statements....you buying fur but not being "able" to "do skinning" is in a sense a hypocrisy.... that is your right. edit..... also... your engaging me in continual debate on this topic proves that your contention that I am "unable to debate" is false. LMAO (gotta love it)
  140. BorroSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 18:28
    I buy ribeye steaks all the time....but I don't think I could work in a slaughter house.
  141. BorroSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 18:35
    LOL http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q47/greeneyedbastard19…
  142. ceehound619Salvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 18:36
    LOL http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q47/greeneyedbastard19… I particularly like the kneeling 2 -legged animals in this picture. An endangered species in the making to be sure.
  143. Anony-mousSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 18:57
    BATTLE ROYALE
  144. TaurinoSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 19:55
    Would you be wiling to watch a video about how fur is produced? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria I've seen it, Yeah, sucks for the animal. But hey by Darwin we are the better species. Thus, we own them and can do whatever we want with them. So because I'm on top of the food chain, I hunt, I can do fit as I want with any animal. So by darwin I am superior, I can mistreat or do as a wish and skin animals for my pleasure. However, I do have the responsibility of taking care of these animals too as I am in the top the food chain and on top of all species on earth. Yet I rather see my fellow man progress than animals. And doing so I donate to other human needs casuses much much more before any retarded animal humane society. because, animals aren't worth being treated humanely, keyword Humane because that is how we are supposed to treat other humans. It pisses me off with these animal lovers, 2 years and a half ago, I saw this pup in the park with no collar. I went to the Animal humane shelter to bring there. And they wouldn't take the dog, I was ticked because I wasn't going to keep it, I was doing something fucking nice right? So then I was there arguing I wasn't going to keep this dog and in the end I was like fuck it I'm not putting up with this shit. So then I was like well I'm putting this dog in the back of my truck and the bitch lady comes out and was like. Ok I hope you're not thinking of putting that pup in the back of your truck because it might fall and hurt or kill itself. And I was like uh yeah I am. ( I had a harley davidson truck at the time) And I told her I don't want this dog scratching up my harley davidson seats. Then bitch was like well if you don't put the pup inside I'm going to call the authorities on you. Then I told her to why? Because the dog woudl be stupid enough to fall of the back? And she said yeah it's illegal you have to treat the dog humanely. And I was like uh no the dog isn't human it's damn animal and it's in my possesion so I think i'll do as i please. So then I was getting ready to leave when the bitch starts calling 911 and I was just pissed off at this point that I didn't want to argue anymore so I put the bitch pup on the bottom floor of the inside of my truck and left. So I get to my dad's farm and dump the dog there and my dad finds it and took care of the dog until prolly went into someones land and killed the dog because they thought it was wild. Anyways my point is, these animals lvoers really get on my nerves and really need to contribute to society by helping kids in need instead of fucking around with all these pets and all these crap animals. And yes I'm going to buy 100's of fur coats to help out the kids' parents that are skinning these animals so they can go another day with food on their tables.
  145. ceehound619Salvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 19:58
    I've seen it, Yeah, sucks for the animal. But hey by Darwin we are the better species. Thus, we own them and can do whatever we want with them. So because I'm on top of the food chain, I hunt, I can do fit as I want with any animal. So by darwin I am superior, I can mistreat or do as a wish and skin animals for my pleasure. However, I do have the responsibility of taking care of these animals too as I am in the top the food chain and on top of all species on earth. Yet I rather see my fellow man progress than animals. And doing so I donate to other human needs casuses much much more before any retarded animal humane society. because, animals aren't worth being treated humanely, keyword Humane because that is how we are supposed to treat other humans. It pisses me off with these animal lovers, 2 years and a half ago, I saw this pup in the park with no collar. I went to the Animal humane shelter to bring there. And they wouldn't take the dog, I was ticked because I wasn't going to keep it, I was doing something fucking nice right? So then I was there arguing I wasn't going to keep this dog and in the end I was like fuck it I'm not putting up with this shit. So then I was like well I'm putting this dog in the back of my truck and the bitch lady comes out and was like. Ok I hope you're not thinking of putting that pup in the back of your truck because it might fall and hurt or kill itself. And I was like uh yeah I am. ( I had a harley davidson truck at the time) And I told her I don't want this dog scratching up my harley davidson seats. Then bitch was like well if you don't put the pup inside I'm going to call the authorities on you. Then I told her to why? Because the dog woudl be stupid enough to fall of the back? And she said yeah it's illegal you have to treat the dog humanely. And I was like uh no the dog isn't human it's damn animal and it's in my possesion so I think i'll do as i please. So then I was getting ready to leave when the bitch starts calling 911 and I was just pissed off at this point that I didn't want to argue anymore so I put the bitch pup on the bottom floor of the inside of my truck and left. So I get to my dad's farm and dump the dog there and my dad finds it and took care of the dog until prolly went into someones land and killed the dog because they thought it was wild. Anyways my point is, these animals lvoers really get on my nerves and really need to contribute to society by helping kids in need instead of fucking around with all these pets and all these crap animals. And yes I'm going to buy 100's of fur coats to help out the kids' parents that are skinning these animals so they can go another day with food on their tables. Once again the ignorant choose to make this an "animals vrs people" (chose one or the other) argument... no one here is saying animals are MORE IMPORTANT then humans... only that they are living breathing creatures that are alive and deserve humane treatment.... however seeing as how your brain is NOT alive... you probabaly cant understand this right now. ps.... you are without a doubt one of ths biggest cockholsters posting on this board....the best part of you ran down your bastard moms thigh in a white gooey,sticky streak......dad should have pulled out on time like amtrack... shame.. welcome to my ignore list....because that is what your ignorant mentality deserves... being ignored.
  146. BorroSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 19:59
    Let's have sex Taurino.
  147. BorroSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 20:00
    Bah Cee, ur from Cali. Anything u say I'm going to label as liberal garb hahaha. Tree huggin beehotch.
  148. ceehound619Salvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 20:01
    Bah Cee, ur from Cali. Anything u say I'm going to label as liberal garb hahaha. Tree huggin beehotch. fuck off cock gobbler. :xyxthumbs::1orglaugh:
  149. Anony-mousSalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 23:24
    i dont hunt, nor do i support fur trade. its a fucked up industry and should be out-lawed. i dont mind hunting tho i just dont like seeing animals suffer even if it is quick. dog fighting, cock fighting, bull fighting, and any other animal cruelty is fucked up imo
  150. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive3 Nov 2007, 23:50
    I clubbed a baby seal this weekend. Does that make me a bad person? I hit him real good so he wouldn't feel a thing.
  151. RaidenatorSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 01:05
    I clubbed a baby seal this weekend. Does that make me a bad person? I hit him real good so he wouldn't feel a thing. I won't label you if you'll share some of that sweet sweet baby seal meat.
  152. crazyjoeSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 01:12
    I've seen it, Yeah, sucks for the animal. But hey by Darwin we are the better species. Thus, we own them and can do whatever we want with them. So because I'm on top of the food chain, I hunt, I can do fit as I want with any animal. So by darwin I am superior, I can mistreat or do as a wish and skin animals for my pleasure. However, I do have the responsibility of taking care of these animals too as I am in the top the food chain and on top of all species on earth. Yet I rather see my fellow man progress than animals. And doing so I donate to other human needs casuses much much more before any retarded animal humane society. because, animals aren't worth being treated humanely, keyword Humane because that is how we are supposed to treat other humans. It pisses me off with these animal lovers, 2 years and a half ago, I saw this pup in the park with no collar. I went to the Animal humane shelter to bring there. And they wouldn't take the dog, I was ticked because I wasn't going to keep it, I was doing something fucking nice right? So then I was there arguing I wasn't going to keep this dog and in the end I was like fuck it I'm not putting up with this shit. So then I was like well I'm putting this dog in the back of my truck and the bitch lady comes out and was like. Ok I hope you're not thinking of putting that pup in the back of your truck because it might fall and hurt or kill itself. And I was like uh yeah I am. ( I had a harley davidson truck at the time) And I told her I don't want this dog scratching up my harley davidson seats. Then bitch was like well if you don't put the pup inside I'm going to call the authorities on you. Then I told her to why? Because the dog woudl be stupid enough to fall of the back? And she said yeah it's illegal you have to treat the dog humanely. And I was like uh no the dog isn't human it's damn animal and it's in my possesion so I think i'll do as i please. So then I was getting ready to leave when the bitch starts calling 911 and I was just pissed off at this point that I didn't want to argue anymore so I put the bitch pup on the bottom floor of the inside of my truck and left. So I get to my dad's farm and dump the dog there and my dad finds it and took care of the dog until prolly went into someones land and killed the dog because they thought it was wild. Anyways my point is, these animals lvoers really get on my nerves and really need to contribute to society by helping kids in need instead of fucking around with all these pets and all these crap animals. And yes I'm going to buy 100's of fur coats to help out the kids' parents that are skinning these animals so they can go another day with food on their tables. http://www.480x.com/files/images/big_cup_of_STFU.jpg
  153. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 03:04
    I've seen it, Yeah, sucks for the animal. But hey by Darwin we are the better species. Thus, we own them and can do whatever we want with them. So because I'm on top of the food chain, I hunt, I can do fit as I want with any animal. So by darwin I am superior, I can mistreat or do as a wish and skin animals for my pleasure. However, I do have the responsibility of taking care of these animals too as I am in the top the food chain and on top of all species on earth. Yet I rather see my fellow man progress than animals. And doing so I donate to other human needs casuses much much more before any retarded animal humane society. because, animals aren't worth being treated humanely, keyword Humane because that is how we are supposed to treat other humans. It pisses me off with these animal lovers, 2 years and a half ago, I saw this pup in the park with no collar. I went to the Animal humane shelter to bring there. And they wouldn't take the dog, I was ticked because I wasn't going to keep it, I was doing something fucking nice right? So then I was there arguing I wasn't going to keep this dog and in the end I was like fuck it I'm not putting up with this shit. So then I was like well I'm putting this dog in the back of my truck and the bitch lady comes out and was like. Ok I hope you're not thinking of putting that pup in the back of your truck because it might fall and hurt or kill itself. And I was like uh yeah I am. ( I had a harley davidson truck at the time) And I told her I don't want this dog scratching up my harley davidson seats. Then bitch was like well if you don't put the pup inside I'm going to call the authorities on you. Then I told her to why? Because the dog woudl be stupid enough to fall of the back? And she said yeah it's illegal you have to treat the dog humanely. And I was like uh no the dog isn't human it's damn animal and it's in my possesion so I think i'll do as i please. So then I was getting ready to leave when the bitch starts calling 911 and I was just pissed off at this point that I didn't want to argue anymore so I put the bitch pup on the bottom floor of the inside of my truck and left. So I get to my dad's farm and dump the dog there and my dad finds it and took care of the dog until prolly went into someones land and killed the dog because they thought it was wild. Anyways my point is, these animals lvoers really get on my nerves and really need to contribute to society by helping kids in need instead of fucking around with all these pets and all these crap animals. And yes I'm going to buy 100's of fur coats to help out the kids' parents that are skinning these animals so they can go another day with food on their tables. God, trouble just finds you doesn't it? That was a well funny story, it made me LOL forreal. You should have left the bby dog in the place and just run to the parking lot, they wouldn't have thrown him out. ************** WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ANIMAL TESTING AND HOW AMAZING IT IS?
  154. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 06:00
    I clubbed a baby seal this weekend. Does that make me a bad person? I hit him real good so he wouldn't feel a thing.http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y148/Zippozeppo/Serge.jpg It... Was... YOUUUUU!
  155. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 10:08
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I love these PETA folks that care more about a squirrel than another human being. For some it's kids, for me it's animals......HAHAHAHAHA Oh ghad I can't stop laughing at this. Priceless. The comment is not as you say. Read the first words. His desire to help children is admirable. In case you didn’t understand that means good. I agree with him. I too share a concern for children. My husband and I donate show after show to many well deserving organizations including children’s charities, but that is not the discussion we are having. . I was making a point that some people feel a kinship to certain charities. Those who have family suffering from hurricane Katrina may put that charity first. It in no way means they put rebuilding a home before a starving child. It is natural to be drawn to one thing over another when it affects your family. Why is that something to laugh at and make false accusations?
  156. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 10:14
    *rubs backs of fingers on shirt* Huh?
  157. crazee horseSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 10:19
    get on sorting your ignore list maria. They are lower than a snakes belly rofl.
  158. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 10:22
    No one is denying that animals don't deserve humane treatment. 2. It is not my concern whether the animal played in a forest before it died or was caught in a snair Are you saying a snare is humane? ... I don't have a problem watching animals being killed in a horrid manner... Doesn’t this contradict your other post?
  159. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 10:46
    ^^^Yes, probably
  160. raize te gaffSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 11:33
    I bet the eejits are going mental over Mighty mouse, i think them lil mice are the best. Only the Americans would take a rodent and give it extra stamina. If they escape then theres going to be problems.
  161. TaurinoSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 12:03
    Once again the ignorant choose to make this an "animals vrs people" (chose one or the other) argument... no one here is saying animals are MORE IMPORTANT then humans... only that they are living breathing creatures that are alive and deserve humane treatment.... however seeing as how your brain is NOT alive... you probabaly cant understand this right now. ps.... you are without a doubt one of ths biggest cockholsters posting on this board....the best part of you ran down your bastard moms thigh in a white gooey,sticky streak......dad should have pulled out on time like amtrack... shame.. welcome to my ignore list....because that is what your ignorant mentality deserves... being ignored. yeah i'm a IRL asshole, but I know truth and speak my mind when need to. I'm not making animals v.s humans, I'm making this as animals ARE below humans. And we as the top of the food chain and species on earth can do as we please with these animals below us. But at the same time we have the responsibility to take care of these animals so that way may have a food source and materials that these animals are here to provide us with. I mean you think a deer isn't aware that it's on the bottom of the food chain and wolves are cunning enough to do as the wish with the deer as their prey? You think wolves take it upon themeselves to either let deer go so that deer may further reproduce and thus it would allow more food for wolves? That's how I see humans and ourselves at the top. Like in the animal kingdom a predator willo help itself and it's pack or pride before helping it's prey. Thus, all these animal lovers need to realize that they should help unfortunate kids before any unfortunate animals. Call me ignorant if you don't agree with me, but I'm pretty sure it would be crazy not to help your fellow man before helping an animal. I see that as sickening.
  162. Vigil AnteSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 12:09
    Man, there are some sorry excuses for people on here. How a person treats somebody or something that they think is "below" them reveals their true nature. There are peeps here who are ugly both on the inside and out.
  163. boo_cockySalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 12:12
    yeah i'm a IRL asshole, but I know truth and speak my mind when need to. I'm not making animals v.s humans, I'm making this as animals ARE below humans. And we as the top of the food chain and species on earth can do as we please with these animals below us. But at the same time we have the responsibility to take care of these animals so that way may have a food source and materials that these animals are here to provide us with. I mean you think a deer isn't aware that it's on the bottom of the food chain and wolves are cunning enough to do as the wish with the deer as their prey? You think wolves take it upon themeselves to either let deer go so that deer may further reproduce and thus it would allow more food for wolves? That's how I see humans and ourselves at the top. Like in the animal kingdom a predator willo help itself and it's pack or pride before helping it's prey. Thus, all these animal lovers need to realize that they should help unfortunate kids before any unfortunate animals. Call me ignorant if you don't agree with me, but I'm pretty sure it would be crazy not to help your fellow man before helping an animal. I see that as sickening. You're contradicting yourself... Saying that wolves don't care about the deer is because wolves are animals and are acting solely out of instinct for survival... Yet, you say humans are above animals...but are somehow allowed to take the same approach to killing as animals do? Make up your mind Taurino, which is it? Animals are here for man's use...HOW we use them is one thing. There's nothing wrong with using animals for food or clothing...HOW you kill them to use them for those needs is a different story. Traps used for catching animals for their fur is CRUEL and humans KNOW better...the animal has a limb crushed in a trap, then sits there in pain to die a slow, agonizing death...is that humane to you? Aren't we above that type of treatment towards other animals? There's a right way and a wrong way to kill animals for man's use...a quick and relatively painless process vs. a cruel, torturous process. You're mixing apples and oranges on some superiority rage you're on and totally missing the current debate in here. There's some TRUTH for you...since you're so into 'truth'...absorb it.
  164. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 12:16
    are you really that nice a person or seriously sarcastic? Rofl only joking. I find people like ourselves who are animal lovers are a LOT different and happier to others. TRUE! I am a Real Animal Lover...yet I Hunt and Fish as well. I also have a cat and 12 Dogs and a lot of Doggie Poop to clean up every day! I know I am always smiling and in a Good Mood! No matter how mad I get!
  165. brownbearclanSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 14:05
    PETA started out as a good idea with good intentions. Unfortunately they became so over the top and then hypocritical of their own beliefs that they have lost any credibility they might have had. I believe in the ethical treatment of animals, but I sure as hell don't believe in an organization that is as ridiculous and fucked up as they are today lol. Some things are just obvious, like I am completely against the abuse of any animals in general. However I'm no vegetarian but I would hope that the animals we eat are raised humanely and slaughtered as humanely as possible and don't have to suffer in the process of becoming our tasty tasty dinner. :)
  166. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 14:57
    I clubbed a baby seal this weekend. Does that make me a bad person? I hit him real good so he wouldn't feel a thing. I won't label you if you'll share some of that sweet sweet baby seal meat. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y148/Zippozeppo/Serge.jpg It... Was... YOUUUUU! Holy crap! What did I put in that home brew?
  167. raize te gaffSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 15:01
    Holy crap! What did I put in that home brew? :1orglaugh::1orglaugh: Glad im not the only one who reads theyre own posts and thinks "wtf was i on"
  168. BustASalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 19:02
    Here's a good link for you: http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ I often receive phone calls from frantic people who have surrendered their pets to PETA with the understanding that PETA will "find them a good home." Many of them are led to believe that the animals will be taken to a nearby shelter. Little do they know that the pets are killed in the PETA van before they even pull away from the pet owner's home … I FUCKING LOL'D so hard
  169. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 20:03
    Be it a local shelter or PETA putting the animals down it’s a tragedy. May I ask do any of you have a humane suggestion on what to do with millions and millions of unwanted animals that suffer because of irresponsible humans? Would you support making puppy mills illegal? Would you support jail time for people for those who abandon their pets? Any suggestion at all or is there anything I can say to encourage you to be a part of the solution? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  170. ceehound619Salvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 20:37
    JAz_bDL3mic Gotta love Al.
  171. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 20:47
    Be it a local shelter or PETA putting the animals down it’s a tragedy. May I ask do any of you have a humane suggestion on what to do with millions and millions of unwanted animals that suffer because of irresponsible humans? Would you support making puppy mills illegal? Would you support jail time for people for those who abandon their pets? Any suggestion at all or is there anything I can say to encourage you to be a part of the solution? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria I'm not sure what the solution is, to be honest. Bob Barker gives good advice to pet owners, but we all know that not everybody listens. Pets are like part of the family to most people. Just like there are a lot of children that could be adopted, a lot of people prefer to have their own. In the case of animals, most people want puppies or kittens. I have to admit, I've been looking at getting a puppy and I have talked to breeders. That is only because I know what kind of dog I want, and they rarely end up normal shelters. They tend to end up in Bulldog rescues, which we don't have any of here. The one in Chicago, already shot me down due to geography. The local shelter did have a Rottweiler that I just loved, but because I live in a city with classifies him as a "dangerous breed" he would have been put down before I could get my yard up to their standards. What a lot of people don't realize, is that it isn't always easy to adopt a pet. A friend of mine was refused adoption rights because she lived in an apartment. The apartment complex was okay with it, and it wasn't like it was a huge dog that needed room to run. The shelter would rather risk the dog's life, than adopt to someone who lives in an apartment. I think there are a lot of things that we can do, but I don't know the ultimate answer. We have the humane society and a pet refuge, but it's not enough. Maybe when I move outside of the city limits, I can adopt a couple of dogs. I don't want a fence or a kennel, if I can avoid it. I'd rather have an invisible fence, but the city doesn't find that acceptable. Out in the county though, I can have all my land open and bury and invisible fence and let whatever breed of dog I choose roam and run free.
  172. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 20:49
    ^^^ An invisible fence wouldn't stop a kid from wandering into potential harm's way. Fair enough for the rest of what you've written: You've obviously given the matter a deal of thought Buddy. Good luck with it. Be it a local shelter or PETA putting the animals down it’s a tragedy. May I ask do any of you have a humane suggestion on what to do with millions and millions of unwanted animals that suffer because of irresponsible humans?That's closing the gate after the horse has bolted. Would you support making puppy mills illegal?Absolutely: There's currently talk here about banning the sale of dogs from stores altogether so potential owners must go to a licenced breeder. Would you support jail time for people for those who abandon their pets? Any suggestion at all or is there anything I can say to encourage you to be a part of the solution? Hugs and Hissessss, MariaI sure would: Lock 'em up for a couple of months, then make 'em do community service every weekend for a couple of years and disallow them from owning so much as a goldfish... forever.
  173. boo_cockySalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 20:52
    That's closing the gate after the horse has bolted. Does that really matter? So, if a problem arises...how do we deal with it? Certainly not by ignoring it and saying 'Oh well, the horse has already bolted, no sense fixing it now.' Maybe a solution should have been put in place long ago...but that's not the point anymore... Her question was, what do we do it about?
  174. ceehound619Salvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 20:53
    Be it a local shelter or PETA putting the animals down it’s a tragedy. May I ask do any of you have a humane suggestion on what to do with millions and millions of unwanted animals that suffer because of irresponsible humans? Would you support making puppy mills illegal? Would you support jail time for people for those who abandon their pets? Any suggestion at all or is there anything I can say to encourage you to be a part of the solution? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria It is already illegal to abandon pets... at least here where I live..... misdemeanor only... but illegal nonetheless.
  175. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 21:02
    BUtterz: To continue to deal with a problem while ignoring it's cause perpetuates an undesirable situation, and while doubtlessly it's kind and humane to rescue unwanted dogs and find them good homes, it's basically futile. I reckon: Control the source of the problem: "How much is that doggie in the window?" Close the puppy mills because all other considerations aside: Supply far exceeds not only demand but dog population 'carrying capacity' in increasingly urbanised nations.
  176. boo_cockySalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 21:03
    BUtterz: To continue to deal with a problem while ignoring it's cause perpetuates an undesirable situation, and while doubtlessly it's kind and humane to rescue unwanted dogs and find them good homes, it's basically futile. I reckon: Control the source of the problem: "How much is that doggie in the window?" Close the puppy mills because all other considerations aside: Supply far exceeds not only demand but dog population 'carrying capacity' in increasingly urbanised nations. Now we're getting somewhere... I think Maria was looking for that type of a reply, not 'well, the horse has already bolted'. That was my point.
  177. TaurinoSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 21:44
    You're contradicting yourself... Saying that wolves don't care about the deer is because wolves are animals and are acting solely out of instinct for survival... Yet, you say humans are above animals...but are somehow allowed to take the same approach to killing as animals do? Make up your mind Taurino, which is it? Animals are here for man's use...HOW we use them is one thing. There's nothing wrong with using animals for food or clothing...HOW you kill them to use them for those needs is a different story. Traps used for catching animals for their fur is CRUEL and humans KNOW better...the animal has a limb crushed in a trap, then sits there in pain to die a slow, agonizing death...is that humane to you? Aren't we above that type of treatment towards other animals? There's a right way and a wrong way to kill animals for man's use...a quick and relatively painless process vs. a cruel, torturous process. You're mixing apples and oranges on some superiority rage you're on and totally missing the current debate in here. There's some TRUTH for you...since you're so into 'truth'...absorb it. No you're missing my point. I'm above an animal, whatever happens to that animal I wont give a shit about it. But, whatever happens to another person, I'll feel sympathy for that person. Especially for a person in need, Like I've said, I've picked up animals before and I've brought them to shelters only to have them bite me in the ass everytime and most notably a year and a half ago. On the other hand I much rather pick up a man in need and take him to some shelter rather than a stray dog or cat. As i've said, I believe we're above animals and we can treat them however way possible. Because we are above them. You got that? When those animals start reasoning, Talking, educating, and culturing themeselves then those animals can be on the same level as us. Until then, they're just that. Animals. Now I've never said I enjoy killing animals for the pleasure, because I wouldn't do it for pleasure whatsover. I've killed deer and chickens and rabbits only to eat them later on. But I do enjoy watching bull fights and cock fights. Hey the bulls have a chance at taking down the person, and Cocks well no matter what when you put two cocks they'll always battle it out because it's their instinct. Look I have respect for animals, but I don't care what happens to them unless they are in some way useful to me. But why should I impose on another persons will to do as they wish to unintelligent species lower than a humans?
  178. boo_cockySalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 22:09
    No you're missing my point. I'm above an animal, whatever happens to that animal I wont give a shit about it. But, whatever happens to another person, I'll feel sympathy for that person. Especially for a person in need, Like I've said, I've picked up animals before and I've brought them to shelters only to have them bite me in the ass everytime and most notably a year and a half ago. On the other hand I much rather pick up a man in need and take him to some shelter rather than a stray dog or cat. As i've said, I believe we're above animals and we can treat them however way possible. Because we are above them. You got that? When those animals start reasoning, Talking, educating, and culturing themeselves then those animals can be on the same level as us. Until then, they're just that. Animals. Now I've never said I enjoy killing animals for the pleasure, because I wouldn't do it for pleasure whatsover. I've killed deer and chickens and rabbits only to eat them later on. But I do enjoy watching bull fights and cock fights. Hey the bulls have a chance at taking down the person, and Cocks well no matter what when you put two cocks they'll always battle it out because it's their instinct. Look I have respect for animals, but I don't care what happens to them unless they are in some way useful to me. But why should I impose on another persons will to do as they wish to unintelligent species lower than a humans? I understand what you're saying...I too lay my initial concerns with humans over animals... With that said, there's still room in my heart to care for some of the torture that animals are put through by MAN. Humans are capable of compassion, and we certainly don't always apply that to animals, and we should. A dog will bite, any animal in pain or feeling threatened will bite. That doesn't make them mean or evil, it makes them hurt or scared animals reacting the way God created them to...it's instinct, self preservation. Bull fights, cock fights...cruel in my opinion. Bulls and cocks do fight amongst themselves, it's in their nature. It's not in their nature to be forced into violent situations without them having an opportunity for retreat (which animals will do when they don't want to fight, or feel they are outmatched). Animal fights for entertainment is cruelty...it's people getting their rocks off by forcing animals to fight to the death...I don't see how any rational person can view it in any other form. If people enjoy that, then go to a boxing match, or go into a ring yourself and fight with someone to the death and see how you like it. I have no problem with hunting, fishing, etc. Hunters and fishermen are by and large animals lovers and kill for food, and kill the animal as quickly as they can. As long as there's a reason for the kill, aside from pleasure, and the kill is humane, no problem. God gave us animals for our use...not to torture them in the process for shits ad giggles.
  179. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 23:28
    Now I've never said I enjoy killing animals for the pleasure, But watching them suffer slow painful deaths gives you pleasure ... … But I do enjoy watching bull fights and cock fights. … I pray for people like you. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  180. TaurinoSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 23:34
    And same to you snake babe.
  181. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 23:37
    ... I have to admit, I've been looking at getting a puppy and I have talked to breeders. That is only because I know what kind of dog I want, and they rarely end up normal shelters. .... I know the feeling. There are so many interesting snakes I would love to buy but I just can’t bring myself when there are so many in need of homes. 90% of the snakes I have are rescues. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  182. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 23:38
    And same to you snake babe. SnakeBabe is one word, Capitol “S” Capitol “B” Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  183. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive4 Nov 2007, 23:51
    ..... I don't care what happens to them unless they are in some way useful to me. ... Interesting, you and VK have this “Ownership’ thing connected with the value of an animal. Can you tell me how pain and suffering is different when an animal is a possession of a human? Is the pain less? Is the torture less? Does the animal not scream out in torment the same scream as your pet would if it suffered in the hands of someone like you? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  184. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 00:08
    .... I don't agree with animal abuse, .... After reading your posts I am confused, can you define what you consider animal abuse? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  185. boo_cockySalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 00:16
    . . <------ Do snakes have penises and vaginas? Where?
  186. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 00:18
    Yes, in the same place. The vent is the only opening at the start of the tail. The penis is inside and comes out and does its thing in the female vent hole. Generally speaking Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  187. Captain ObviousSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 00:24
    I can't believe all you dicks hate animals so much. What the fuck is wrong with you idiots? I would find it so funny if your first born children suffered a horrible death while on a hunting trip with you. It's one thing to kill for food..it's another to torture animals or kill them for sport. You fucks are as bad as the Chinese. They have Elephants slaughtered just for the Ivory....they kill sharks just for the fins...the rest is discarded. Torino, you are one of the biggest dicks on this forum. You are such a worthless piece of scum. You give Mexicans a bad name you fucknut. You have no redeming quality in your fat chunkyass body whatsoever.
  188. boo_cockySalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 00:31
    I can't believe all you dicks hate animals so much. What the fuck is wrong with you idiots? I would find it so funny if your first born children suffered a horrible death while on a hunting trip with you. It's one thing to kill for food..it's another to torture animals or kill them for sport. You fucks are as bad as the Chinese. They have Elephants slaughtered just for the Ivory....they kill sharks just for the fins...the rest is discarded. Torino, you are one of the biggest dicks on this forum. You are such a worthless piece of scum. You give Mexicans a bad name you fucknut. You have no redeming quality in your fat chunkyass body whatsoever. Well, it wouldn't be funny if anyone's kid suffered a horrible death...let's not stoop to that level. And, is Taurino a chunkyass? lmao Is he like the shirtless fatty sitting on the porch in his avatar? Oh man...that would be great! Now I have something to picture him as...he's the shirtless fatty in his avatar! hahaha
  189. boo_cockySalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 00:33
    Yes, in the same place. The vent is the only opening at the start of the tail. The penis is inside and comes out and does its thing in the female vent hole. Generally speaking Hugs and Hissessss, Maria I've heard that humans and dolphins are the only two species who have sex for pleasure. I've caught dolphins checking me out at SeaWorld, too...so I believe it! :xyxthumbs:
  190. Heero ValentineSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 00:49
    I've heard that humans and dolphins are the only two species who have sex for pleasure. I've caught dolphins checking me out at SeaWorld, too...so I believe it! :xyxthumbs: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/8/81/Gonna_ge…
  191. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 04:43
    Captain Obvious: I have the opposite image of Taurino. I reckon he's probably a typical sleazy pretty-boy who thinks he can get by on looks alone. For Taurino's sake, I hope that this is the case and he can get a job as a model or some such, because I'd hate to think what would happen to him if he had to rely on his brains and winning personality.
  192. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 05:01
    JAz_bDL3mic Gotta love Al. Why'd you have to use a video hosted by that clown? His voice is comical.
  193. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 05:18
    After reading your posts I am confused, can you define what you consider animal abuse? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria Kicking a dog in the throat for reasons other than protection, fur, or food. Whats the point then?
  194. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 05:21
    ^^^ So, does or doesn't using snares constitute abuse VK?
  195. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 05:25
    Nah, that falls under the fur or food reasoning.
  196. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 05:34
    OK, assuming that an animal is to be killed solely for food: does using snares constiute abuse?
  197. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 05:34
    Interesting, you and VK have this “Ownership’ thing connected with the value of an animal. Can you tell me how pain and suffering is different when an animal is a possession of a human? Is the pain less? Is the torture less? Does the animal not scream out in torment the same scream as your pet would if it suffered in the hands of someone like you? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria No the pain isn't less but the responsibility is. Say someone beat up on one of your snakes(lets hope not) and someone beat up on a wild snake, would you feel more inclined to find the abuser of your snake or the wild snake. Equally you say, well you can press charges against that person, charges alot heavier than beating up a wild snake. Animals have more value as pets(generally) than wild. Whats that supposed to mean, 'someone like you?' Are you implying that I, I dunno about Taurino, abuse animals? Someone like me wouldn't abuse animals, someone like me would use products of that abuse but there's no blood on my hands.
  198. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 05:36
    OK, assuming that an animal is to be killed solely for food: does using snares constiute abuse? No, what if the animal is hard to catch or hard to kill, they don't call em' bear traps for nothing.
  199. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 05:44
    ... Whats that supposed to mean, 'someone like you?' Are you implying that I, I dunno about Taurino, abuse animals? Someone like me wouldn't abuse animals, someone like me would use products of that abuse but there's no blood on my hands.How can you be sure VK?
  200. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 05:58
    Cause I didnt kill anything.
  201. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 06:27
    That's it- if you truly can't see any ethical problem with buying something made by doing something you yourself wouldn't do, then there's no point debating with with you. Your stance on this issue is bizarrely hypocritical.
  202. sibSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 09:36
    Be it a local shelter or PETA putting the animals down it’s a tragedy. May I ask do any of you have a humane suggestion on what to do with millions and millions of unwanted animals that suffer because of irresponsible humans? We do what we have been doing all along, without the aid of peta, we educated and create shelters that work to distributed pets and if supply exceeds demand you humanely put down the surplus animals. We have laws on the books to address these problems and we fund these through our local tax structures. All of these happen without peta, because people understand the need for these types of service. This compassion is not exclusive to peta and the solution is not exclusive to peta, to pretend it is - is a fallacy. Would you support making puppy mills illegal? Of course, but again such legislation and definition of what entails the term "puppy mill" are not mutually exclusive to peta membership. Being politically opposed to peta does make a person pro-puppy mill. Would you support jail time for people for those who abandon their pets? I would creat a system for people to bring in their unwanted pets. Why would someone want to abandon their pet? The only determination I can make would be because the pet was unwanted. Not exactly an ideal situation for the pet, being in a situation where it is unwanted, this is a negative relationship and one that leads to abuse. To make the situation better for both the owner and the pet, I would allow people to transfer ownership of their unwanted pets to qualified shelters in hopes that the majority can be placed. Again, this really doesn't have anything to do with peta, there are no peta shelters in my area, we have a tax payer based public service. Any suggestion at all or is there anything I can say to encourage you to be a part of the solution? Hugs and Hissessss, Maria Rings of pretentiousness and makes the same logical fallacy that many religions make -"If you're not with us, you're not part of the solution." The fact is you can be against animal cruelty, for ethics, for addressing pet population and not agree the the quasi-religous/political lobby that is peta.
  203. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 11:20
    Thanks for posting. When you say We do what we have been doing all along, without the aid of peta, we educated and create shelters that work to distributed pets and if supply exceeds demand you humanely put down the surplus animals…. From what I see isn’t PETA is doing the very things you mention. I find is there is a lot of anger against PETA (many times justifiable anger) that clouds people ability to see the good they do. I would venture to say if any local shelter had one tenth the responsibility that PETA does they would fail often too. This often happens with anyone or any organization that the media holds under a microscope be it our President or even Angelina Jolie. It does not allow anyone to make a mistake. For those of you who think I am blindly following PETA let me add this. If you think my posts here are irritating you should see the letters I write them! …This compassion is not exclusive to peta and the solution is not exclusive to peta, to pretend it is - is a fallacy….. My quote did say Be it a local shelter or PETA I don’t think I said it was exclusive to PETA. I am making efforts to show that PETA is an organization helping animals. A flawed but still many times successful organization that has power and resources to do things a small rescue shelter such as mine could never do. I often use the old saying “don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.” I applaud the good they do and voice my criticisms directly to them. It’s not much but it is something. Again, thanks for commenting as you did on my posts. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  204. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 11:27
    Kicking a dog in the throat for reasons other than protection, fur, or food. ... So in your eyes if you hire someone to get you a fur then its ok? You approve of a guy like Taurino kicking a dog in the throat and then skin it alive as long as you get to buy the fur?
  205. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 11:34
    ....Animals have more value as pets(generally) than wild. ... . NO. And this is part of your misunderstanding. Life is valuable regardless of ownership. The loss has more emotional impact on ME if it is one of MY pets but a life is a life regardless. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  206. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 11:40
    ... Whats that supposed to mean, 'someone like you?' Are you implying that I, I dunno about Taurino, abuse animals? Someone like me wouldn't abuse animals, someone like me would use products of that abuse but there's no blood on my hands. This is where many of us can’t understand you and consider you a hypocrite. It’s like you hire a Hit-Man to kill someone but say it’s not your fault the guy is dead because you did not pull the trigger. There would be no need for fur if you didn’t buy it. You are responsible for the abuse even if in your mind you don’t get it. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  207. ICE420Salvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 12:00
    I could never harm an Animal, or can i understand how anyone could, don´t get me wrong, i´ll crush a roach , fly etc. I do however respect the right to Hunt, I could never do it but that´s me, when I say hunt i mean Legal hunting of non endangered animals and for it to be done as humanley as possible. Also all hunting of Animals with young should be banned I totaly loath Hare Coursing and Fox Hunting these sort of blood sports sicken me. Anytime one of those spastic so called Bull Fighters get´s injured or killed i´m feckin delighted, i know it´s no small mercy for the poor animal as there are a long line of gutless shitheads to take his place. I used to agree with PETA , well their aim, not their methods of getting the message across. There are a lot of Animal protection groups doing a lot of good, RSPCA, WWF etc, it´s a shame that PETA or parts of it have bought the whole lot into disrepute thus making more people not give a shite.
  208. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 13:27
    This is where many of us can’t understand you and consider you a hypocrite. It’s like you hire a Hit-Man to kill someone but say it’s not your fault the guy is dead because you did not pull the trigger. There would be no need for fur if you didn’t buy it. You are responsible for the abuse even if in your mind you don’t get it. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria I didn't put a hit on an animal though, that creature is going to be killed whether I buy the end product or not. Someone else will. This is going so overboard I don't even care anymore. If you want to think I personally go out and bash rabbits and minks with a shovel then so be it. If furs werent made I wouldnt buy them, simple. Oh well if you guys don't like my views and im a hypocrite, big deal. Arguing about it isn't going to do anything. I buy things from people that do things I wouldnt be able to. OOOoooOOO hypocracy:rolleyes: .
  209. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 13:43
    Actually, if you don't buy a fur then -while you're not saving the life of the animalS that went into that one in the window right there- you are saving the life of animals in the long term: The fewer furs sold, the less will be ordered, and so on back through the line. The trapper will find that he gets less per pelt, and while he may increase his 'production' to make ends meet, ultimately he may decide to change his livelihood altogether. A bit of a stretch, I know, but every little bit of demand feeds money up the line and maintains the status quo.
  210. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 13:58
    ...If furs werent made I wouldnt buy them, simple. ... . But they will continue to torture animals as long as there are people who will buy it. Simple Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  211. NaysayerSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 14:11
    Arguments like this make me smile every time I sink my teeth into a tender, delicious veal cutlet.
  212. UncoverRealitySalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 14:14
    I know you guys are arguing over using animals for fur, but I have a question...... What are your views on using animals for medical research??
  213. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 14:19
    Use them, but humanely. Meanwhile, look for alternatives to animal studies. The current reality for medical research is that all new drugs must be tested in animals. If one assumes that research into new drugs is neccessary, then one can't be against animal testing. I'm not so sure about drug research in general- but I'm no luddite and therefore give pharmaceuticals the benefit of the doubt.
  214. _booted_Salvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 14:20
    I know you guys are arguing over using animals for fur, but I have a question...... What are your views on using animals for medical research?? Or for sexual pleasure??:omg::eek7:
  215. UncoverRealitySalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 14:28
    Use them, but humanely. Meanwhile, look for alternatives to animal studies. The current reality for medical research is that all new drugs must be tested in animals. If one assumes that research into new drugs is neccessary, then one can't be against animal testing. I'm not so sure about drug research in general- but I'm no luddite and therefore give pharmaceuticals the benefit of the doubt. Ditto! :xyxthumbs: The reality is that drugs and techniques used to save lives everyday have been tested on animals first. If people do not agree with this research, they should refuse treatment. To do otherwise would be hypocritical imo. As long as the labs are vigorously controlled and regulated, I am cool with it. Fur however, is another story......
  216. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 14:30
    Or for sexual pleasure??:omg::eek7: Your pleasure, or the animals pleasure?
  217. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 15:06
    ^^^ I think one Draco Vulgaris might have some input for here to go along with the receiving it gets everywhere else on this board. I wonder if it's listening? ;)
  218. TaurinoSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 15:36
    Captain Obvious: I have the opposite image of Taurino. I reckon he's probably a typical sleazy pretty-boy who thinks he can get by on looks alone. For Taurino's sake, I hope that this is the case and he can get a job as a model or some such, because I'd hate to think what would happen to him if he had to rely on his brains and winning personality. Ding ding ding, winner! I want to model next year, but I dunno with school and work it might get complicated. Anyways, Sorry i have more compassion for a stranger and his kids than a stray dog or cat. Sorry I have the sympathy for a fellow man in need, so much that I would pick him up and put 20 dollars in his pocket. He may use it for alcohol or some drug or use it for some good purpose in his life. Sorry that I'm a good samartian, that I would help a stranger in need that I would give him a ride all the way to his house in the next town over out of my way. Sorry that I've donated a few thousand dollars to the childrens crusade. And sorry that I do this for all strangers and people in need yet I have no remorse for a dying and suffering animal. Call me crazy but that's how I am and that's how I feel.
  219. TaurinoSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 15:45
    This is where many of us can’t understand you and consider you a hypocrite. It’s like you hire a Hit-Man to kill someone but say it’s not your fault the guy is dead because you did not pull the trigger. There would be no need for fur if you didn’t buy it. You are responsible for the abuse even if in your mind you don’t get it. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria Hey sorry I feel that way, but I never said I would kill an animal for pleasure. NOT ONCE did I say that. But I did say I wouldn't mind buying fur coats so that my fellow man in a 3rd world country can have food on his table for another night. however that doesn't mean I've never killed an animal. I've killed a pig and goat before (hunted deer also). Even though the pig didn't die for another half hour it still needed to be bled out. Anyways both pigs and goats after they finally died were skinned and chopped up and eaten. I really don't see how you can compare this to a person or another child. Seriously, it's not comparable at all. It gets me when I say this stuff that other people come in here and say, oh how would you like it if one of your family members was killed and skinned? To be honest killing a human and killing an animal is not comparable whatsoever. how about instead of buying a cat for a pet, why not donate that money to a child in need? instead of wasting away with pets why not spend it on other people in need? Seriously, Only reason you should have an animals as a "pet" is if you actually need it for some purpose, My mother keeps 2 cats at the barn in her farm to keep away all the mice from there. My dad has 2 german shepards that are quite good for keeping watch on the house.
  220. TaurinoSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 15:59
    I can't believe all you dicks hate animals so much. What the fuck is wrong with you idiots? I would find it so funny if your first born children suffered a horrible death while on a hunting trip with you. It's one thing to kill for food..it's another to torture animals or kill them for sport. You fucks are as bad as the Chinese. They have Elephants slaughtered just for the Ivory....they kill sharks just for the fins...the rest is discarded. Torino, you are one of the biggest dicks on this forum. You are such a worthless piece of scum. You give Mexicans a bad name you fucknut. You have no redeming quality in your fat chunkyass body whatsoever. Blah blah blah, you think I care what happens to those animals? No, as long as they aren't reasoning, culturing, and educating themesleves then no I don't give a shit about an animal. And you are such a hypocrite, you stoop as so low to wish death on my potential future kids as to say they're worthless because you completley disagree with my opinion. Fact is animals are lower than us. And we have the responsability to do as we wish with them, I don't kill animals for pleasure, but I do find pleasure in seeing to animals go at it just as I would see two people go at it in the ring. So I think it's completeley stupid calling me immoral because I like to see animals fight to the death. They're animals, we do as we want. But anyways what I'm trying to say is that, why should I impose on another fellow man to do as he wishes with the animals below him? Now before you get your self all riled up again. I do believe however that in the wild, a balanced eco system should be kept, so much that we shouldn't intervene whatsoever in this ecosystem unless necessary to preserve the animals endangared, for those animals really might have potential use for us. I for a matter do not approve of poaching of endangered species nor do I approve of illegal ( overfishing) fishing or illegal hunting. Because the ecosystem is a crucial part of our survivial and we need this ecosystem for the benefit of ourselves. Yet I see no wrong in buying fur coats since most of the animals used for fur are breeded and grown in farms. Besides I put food on the table that skinned the animal for my use.
  221. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 17:05
    ^^^ Cockpits and dog fights for the sake of our enjoyment?! No way- give me the aerial kind of fighting- simulated only. Fuck fur: Synthetic is better. If one doesn't have access to synthetic, that's a different story entirely: One's probably subsisting. In this case, hunting is part of life- as is respect for the land and compassion for animals: The Netsilik Esquimeaux used to (still do?) give a piece of carefully saved river ice to a caught seal in the belief that the animal allowed itself to be killed because it was thirsty. I somewhat agree with the rest of your post Taurino. [edit] What was I thinking with that last bit? I totally disagree with your attitude: Let a pig suffer for 30 minutes?! Sick.
  222. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 18:25
    ... The current reality for medical research is that all new drugs must be tested in animals. Why not test on humans I ask?
  223. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 18:27
    Hey sorry I feel that way, .... Wonderful progress, you admit sorry for your lack of compassion. Hugs and Hissessss, Maria
  224. TaurinoSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 18:28
    ^^^ Cockpits and dog fights for the sake of our enjoyment?! No way- give me the aerial kind of fighting- simulated only. Fuck fur: Synthetic is better. If one doesn't have access to synthetic, that's a different story entirely: One's probably subsisting. In this case, hunting is part of life- as is respect for the land and compassion for animals: The Netsilik Esquimeaux used to (still do?) give a piece of carefully saved river ice to a caught seal in the belief that the animal allowed itself to be killed because it was thirsty. I somewhat agree with the rest of your post Taurino. [edit] What was I thinking with that last bit? I totally disagree with your attitude: Let a pig suffer for 30 minutes?! Sick. Oh about the pig, heh, that was a mistake on my part. Didn't mean to let it die for that long. I felt bad for it because I had to stab it 4 times before I finally got it right. So dat shit wasn't intentional.
  225. SnakeBabeSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 18:33
    ... but I never said I would kill an animal for pleasure. NOT ONCE did I say that. .... but watching them die gives you pleasure. how is that different?
  226. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 18:38
    Why not test on humans I ask?That comes after animal testing. The plain and simple reality -and I've already stated my ambivalence to drugs- is that testing is necessary before new drugs can be put in the hands of doctors. For what it's worth, the animals are treated 'well' and killed using barbituates when necessary. Cosmetic testing is -rather was, post Body Shop- another matter entirely. As always, the details are what's important: Why are we doing this to an animal? Is there any possible alternative? How can we minimise -eliminate entirely is a pipe dream- the critters' sufering?
  227. Smilecabi.netSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 18:41
    Hey sorry I feel that way, but I never said I would kill an animal for pleasure. NOT ONCE did I say that. But I did say I wouldn't mind buying fur coats so that my fellow man in a 3rd world country can have food on his table for another night. however that doesn't mean I've never killed an animal. I've killed a pig and goat before (hunted deer also). Even though the pig didn't die for another half hour it still needed to be bled out. Anyways both pigs and goats after they finally died were skinned and chopped up and eaten. I really don't see how you can compare this to a person or another child. Seriously, it's not comparable at all. It gets me when I say this stuff that other people come in here and say, oh how would you like it if one of your family members was killed and skinned? To be honest killing a human and killing an animal is not comparable whatsoever. how about instead of buying a cat for a pet, why not donate that money to a child in need? instead of wasting away with pets why not spend it on other people in need? Seriously, Only reason you should have an animals as a "pet" is if you actually need it for some purpose, My mother keeps 2 cats at the barn in her farm to keep away all the mice from there. My dad has 2 german shepards that are quite good for keeping watch on the house. Carnitas and Birria? Fuck dude, your family must be heavy duty bud light drinking Mexicans! (sabes, Bud light con clamato, sal y limon?) Dude! I have a heart for these animals because they have a neurological system and they do feel pain. But I guess that's just aesthetics. I eat meat from the store. Dude, my dad sides it straight outta Jalisco, so I've been to parties with the goat or the pig. But I just cant bring myself to eat it. I cringe man that I just saw the cute lil' goat or pig alive and there is no way I'm eating it. Medical research is another story. It's in the quest to save human lives and that's a noble cause. All I'm trying to say is that Animals give so much, they deserve respect and to be treated in humane manner. They're our friends, our help and our food. Like I said, they give us so much.
  228. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 18:44
    ... but I never said I would kill an animal for pleasure. ... ... Fact is animals are lower than us. And we have the responsability to do as we wish with them, I don't kill animals for pleasure, but I do find pleasure in seeing to animals go at it just as I would see two people go at it in the ring. So I think it's completeley stupid calling me immoral because I like to see animals fight to the death. They're animals, we do as we want. ...Watch a cock-fight or dog-fight where the loser dies, and you're a hypocrite. As it is, you merely take a perverse pleasure in seeing pain inflicted on animals and humans.
  229. Smilecabi.netSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 18:47
    Watch a cock-fight or dog-fight where the loser dies, and you're a hypocrite. As it is, you merely take a perverse pleasure in seeing pain inflicted on animals and humans. God, how grotesque. Hee, Hee.. Cock fight... Hope the black dudes stay home for that one.
  230. AfronaughtSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 19:19
    Watch a cock-fight or dog-fight where the loser dies, and you're a hypocrite. As it is, you merely take a perverse pleasure in seeing pain inflicted on animals and humans. Where I live, Cockfighting is a regular thing... the Locals here breed roosters for fights... Then again PETA is also non existant here... If they do try and push animal rights on the locals here they get told to fuck off... or get the shit kicked out of them... Back in south africa, I used to hunt regularly, Hunting is a common occurance in South Africa, however unlike American and European tourist who come to south africa and Fork out $5,000 to hunt Lion for trophies, Local South Africans hunt Kudu, which is a buck. There is a rule amongst most south african's who hunt, If you shoot it, you kill it, if you kill it, you eat it. My brother and I used to hunt every 6 months, we would only kill one Kudu between the 2 of us, as there is a lot of meat on a fully grown buck, the hunt usually involved spending a week in the bush tracking our prey. 1 fully grown Kudu would provide enough meat for My brothers family and my family for 4 Months, and a damn side cheeper than buying slaughterhouse steaks from the local supermarket. As far as I see it, Humand have been hunting and killing animals for food since the dawn of man, so have other animals, I have never Seen a PETA-Phile complain about how cruel lions, or aligators, or Leopards are when killing prey for food.
  231. TaurinoSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 19:22
    Watch a cock-fight or dog-fight where the loser dies, and you're a hypocrite. As it is, you merely take a perverse pleasure in seeing pain inflicted on animals and humans. Nah I just like two things going at it, wether be human or animal. I like seeing those Discovery channel vids where two animals go at it and either a one backs out or B one dies in defeat. So how does that make me a hypocrite?
  232. chillpillSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 19:53
    What was I thinking with that last bit? I totally disagree with your attitude: Let a pig suffer for 30 minutes?! Sick.[/quote] As much as i don't have a dog in this fight(pardon the pun),the phrase tourino used, "bleed out for 30 mins", is not as you think. When deer or other wild game are wounded, a hunter generally allows a time period for the animal to die. This sounds cruel but it usually prevents the injured animal from running to far. In turn, preventing the hunter from losing his meat. Might sound sick but better than killing an animal just to lose it and have it rot. Also, as far as the views on hunting, i think everyones local wildlife agency could shed as many pros from huntin as PETA can shed cons. Overpopulation of wild animals can be just as costly to us as human ignorence and cruelty can be to the animal. As for animal fights, Tourino i'm not gonna jump your case. I understand different cultures and races have different views but there is a big dif btw a UFC fight and a dog fight. Those guys chose to fight for money. Those animals are forced to fight for their lives. AND WHATS UP WITH PEOPLE WISHIN DEATH ON PEOPLES KIDS CAUSE THEY HUNT. lets just chill a little :smokin:
  233. TaurinoSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 20:00
    What was I thinking with that last bit? I totally disagree with your attitude: Let a pig suffer for 30 minutes?! Sick. As much as i don't have a dog in this fight(pardon the pun),the phrase tourino used, "bleed out for 30 mins", is not as you think. When deer or other wild game are wounded, a hunter generally allows a time period for the animal to die. This sounds cruel but it usually prevents the injured animal from running to far. In turn, preventing the hunter from losing his meat. Might sound sick but better than killing an animal just to lose it and have it rot. Also, as far as the views on hunting, i think everyones local wildlife agency could shed as many pros from huntin as PETA can shed cons. Overpopulation of wild animals can be just as costly to us as human ignorence and cruelty can be to the animal. As for animal fights, Tourino i'm not gonna jump your case. I understand different cultures and races have different views but there is a big dif btw a UFC fight and a dog fight. Those guys chose to fight for money. Those animals are forced to fight for their lives. AND WHATS UP WITH PEOPLE WISHIN DEATH ON PEOPLES KIDS CAUSE THEY HUNT. lets just chill a little :smokin: [/QUOTE] Nah I'm not into dog fights to be honest. I know i've said that plenty of times before in other threads. I just like bull fights because I do, it's part of my culture, plus the bull has a chance to gore the fighter or the picker on the horse and about cock fights well, cocks will fight each other regardless. More than likley cocks will fight to the death either way in the wild.
  234. TaurinoSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 20:01
    Carnitas and Birria? Fuck dude, your family must be heavy duty bud light drinking Mexicans! (sabes, Bud light con clamato, sal y limon?) Dude! I have a heart for these animals because they have a neurological system and they do feel pain. But I guess that's just aesthetics. I eat meat from the store. Dude, my dad sides it straight outta Jalisco, so I've been to parties with the goat or the pig. But I just cant bring myself to eat it. I cringe man that I just saw the cute lil' goat or pig alive and there is no way I'm eating it. Medical research is another story. It's in the quest to save human lives and that's a noble cause. All I'm trying to say is that Animals give so much, they deserve respect and to be treated in humane manner. They're our friends, our help and our food. Like I said, they give us so much. Fook man you don't try da meat from Carnitas and Birria? OMG YOU ARE MISSING OUT! Seriously mang. it's good and you down it with ice cold beer which makes it 10X better.
  235. Smilecabi.netSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 20:12
    Fook man you don't try da meat from Carnitas and Birria? OMG YOU ARE MISSING OUT! Seriously mang. it's good and you down it with ice cold beer which makes it 10X better. For sure bro. I've eaten it, my nino makes the bomb birria de chivo. I just don't want to see the process of making it. It's happened were I walk to the back yard and see it and I'm like damn ya estubo que no. It's sound strange I know. If the process is finished when I get there, then it's cool. But even I see the pile of meat on the table, I can't do it. Estoy loco?
  236. NanabungaSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 20:19
    Where I live, Cockfighting is a regular thing... Am I the only one who finds this absolutely hilarious coming from Afro ? :omg:
  237. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 20:24
    Am I the only one who finds this absolutely hilarious coming from Afro ? :omg: HAHA...now that you mention it.
  238. _booted_Salvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 20:35
    Am I the only one who finds this absolutely hilarious coming from Afro ? :omg: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/466/cockadinsbe8.gif
  239. ceehound619Salvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 20:40
    Where I live, Cockfighting is a regular thing... the Locals here breed roosters for fights... Then again PETA is also non existant here... If they do try and push animal rights on the locals here they get told to fuck off... or get the shit kicked out of them... Back in south africa, I used to hunt regularly, Hunting is a common occurance in South Africa, however unlike American and European tourist who come to south africa and Fork out $5,000 to hunt Lion for trophies, Local South Africans hunt Kudu, which is a buck. There is a rule amongst most south african's who hunt, If you shoot it, you kill it, if you kill it, you eat it. My brother and I used to hunt every 6 months, we would only kill one Kudu between the 2 of us, as there is a lot of meat on a fully grown buck, the hunt usually involved spending a week in the bush tracking our prey. 1 fully grown Kudu would provide enough meat for My brothers family and my family for 4 Months, and a damn side cheeper than buying slaughterhouse steaks from the local supermarket. As far as I see it, Humand have been hunting and killing animals for food since the dawn of man, so have other animals, I have never Seen a PETA-Phile complain about how cruel lions, or aligators, or Leopards are when killing prey for food. Just because something is traditional or "a regular thing" as you put it... does not make it RIGHT or HUMANE..... and yes... humans were hunting since the dawn of man.... are you suggesting then that we have not EVOLVED since then???Are you saying that what was "right" when we were caveman should still be used as a standard for what is right for THESE times we live in??? cmon.....wake up.............and to compare an animal killing another animal to a human killing an animal needlessly is a joke.
  240. ceehound619Salvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 20:41
    Am I the only one who finds this absolutely hilarious coming from Afro ? :omg: I think he meant SWORD-FIGHTING. :xyxthumbs::1orglaugh:
  241. _booted_Salvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 20:44
    ^^^ Nah.. He definitely meant cock fighting. But he meant this sort of cock fighting http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/466/cockadinsbe8.gif:1…
  242. NanabungaSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 20:44
    http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/466/cockadinsbe8.gif that is funny . . . and sick . . all at the same time. :omg:
  243. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 21:16
    Nah I just like two things going at it, wether be human or animal. I like seeing those Discovery channel vids where two animals go at it and either a one backs out or B one dies in defeat. So how does that make me a hypocrite? Nah I'm not into dog fights to be honest. I know i've said that plenty of times before in other threads. I just like bull fights because I do, it's part of my culture, plus the bull has a chance to gore the fighter or the picker on the horse and about cock fights well, cocks will fight each other regardless. More than likley cocks will fight to the death either way in the wild.So, you're not into dog fights. That's cool. You offer the little nugget that "cocks will fight each other regardless." There's a fundamental difference between observing the behaviour of wild animals in the wild and forcing them into a confined space with another male where their instincts take over and they must fight. You enjoy a bullfight. <Here's an opportunity for you to squirm out, or dig in mate: Your answer will portray you as a macho brute or a cowardly hypocrite> Would you be a picador or matador? Why? I think I know what you'll reply, but I'll let you speak for yourself.
  244. AfronaughtSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 21:50
    Am I the only one who finds this absolutely hilarious coming from Afro ? :omg: ^^^ Nah.. He definitely meant cock fighting. But he meant this sort of cock fighting hehehe, Afro dosent cockfight.... Afro Likes to Cockstroke :1orglaugh: :40:
  245. boo_cockySalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 21:53
    hehehe, Afro dosent cockfight.... Afro Likes to Cockstroke :1orglaugh: :40: So...do guys who like cock prefer a bigger cock or smaller one? Does it matter? If two guys fuck eachother in the woods, and no one is around...does the top still get shit dick?
  246. AfronaughtSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 21:59
    Just because something is traditional or "a regular thing" as you put it... does not make it RIGHT or HUMANE..... and yes... humans were hunting since the dawn of man.... are you suggesting then that we have not EVOLVED since then???Are you saying that what was "right" when we were caveman should still be used as a standard for what is right for THESE times we live in??? cmon.....wake up.............and to compare an animal killing another animal to a human killing an animal needlessly is a joke. It's a cultural differance, I Grew up in a 3rd world country where hunting is part of the culture. I'm living in a country where Life and death Human or animal is viewed as part of the way things are. I wear Leather, eat meat, injest medicins and vacsines derived from animal testing... And I refuse to be a hypocrite.... Animal rights are one thing, yes sure make rights for how you care for pets. But to go all "Christian" (Metopholriclay speaking) and force your standards onto other scocieties and cutlures is in my opinion, more criminal than the animal abuse itself.
  247. AfronaughtSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 22:01
    So...do guys who like cock prefer a bigger cock or smaller one? Does it matter? If two guys fuck eachother in the woods, and no one is around...does the top still get shit dick? It's not the size of the dick that counts its the tightness of the hole :40:
  248. boo_cockySalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 22:18
    It's not the size of the dick that counts its the tightness of the hole :40: LOL...:xyxthumbs:
  249. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 22:54
    So...do guys who like cock prefer a bigger cock or smaller one? Does it matter? If two guys fuck eachother in the woods, and no one is around...does the top still get shit dick?No, he gets a mars bar. :omg:
  250. AfronaughtSalvaged from archive5 Nov 2007, 22:55
    ^^^ oh Ewwwwwww.. Thats Grosssss :D

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