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1. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive30 Mar 2010, 12:49
   One of the major sticking points for Democrats on the health care reform bill was that it might allow taxpayer money to pay for abortions. Of course, the Republicans didn't like it either, but they were going to vote against it regardless. Well, Obama got some extra votes by agreeing to sign an executive order that would prevent the new health care reform from using taxpayer money to pay for abortions. Now, he's signed that executive order. The question I have is, where does he get the authority to change and/or create new legislation without congress? What is the relevance of congress, if the President can pass and change legislation on his own? There are instances where the President can and should use an executive order, but I fail to see where this particular legislation qualifies. Why aren't the geniuses in congress, and the media talking about this? Why aren't WE talking about this? We should all be outraged. Personally, I think that the problem is that people don't disagree with the outcome, so they're letting it slide. The problem is that like many of the practices taking place in Washington, we won't agree next time, and we won't be able to stop it. PS: Does every American have health insurance yet? If not, are you shopping for it yet? You better buy it before the fines, and/or jail time kick in. Don't forget that Congrees, the President, and illegal immigrants are exempt.
2. mousewallratSalvaged from archive30 Mar 2010, 16:01
   Do you mind if I ask a delicate question? Umm...were you planning to have an abortion? Kidding you, of course. The problem is that the fucking worthless Press isn't being the watchdog for the People, like they're supposed to. They have chosen a side, and their side can do no wrong.
3. Echo1Salvaged from archive30 Mar 2010, 17:48
   PS: Does every American have health insurance yet? If not, are you shopping for it yet? You better buy it before the fines, and/or jail time kick in. Don't forget that Congrees, the President, and illegal immigrants are exempt. no but i have fully recovered from cancer since last week.
4. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive30 Mar 2010, 18:54
   One of the major sticking points for Democrats on the health care reform bill was that it might allow taxpayer money to pay for abortions. Of course, the Republicans didn't like it either, but they were going to vote against it regardless. Well, Obama got some extra votes by agreeing to sign an executive order that would prevent the new health care reform from using taxpayer money to pay for abortions. Now, he's signed that executive order. The question I have is, where does he get the authority to change and/or create new legislation without congress? What is the relevance of congress, if the President can pass and change legislation on his own? There are instances where the President can and should use an executive order, but I fail to see where this particular legislation qualifies. Why aren't the geniuses in congress, and the media talking about this? Why aren't WE talking about this? We should all be outraged. Personally, I think that the problem is that people don't disagree with the outcome, so they're letting it slide. The problem is that like many of the practices taking place in Washington, we won't agree next time, and we won't be able to stop it. PS: Does every American have health insurance yet? If not, are you shopping for it yet? You better buy it before the fines, and/or jail time kick in. Don't forget that Congrees, the President, and illegal immigrants are exempt.As to the executive order preventing paying for abortions, I can't really say but from what you said here it seems like the regular to-and-fro involved with refining a contentious law so it may be passed. "We don't like it" "Well, how about we put in this then?" :shrug: Fines: We call it something different here: Our Medicare levy about two percent of taxable income, waived if one has health insurance. Basically if one earns about sixty grand it becomes cheaper to have insurance than to pay the levy. Jail time? Are you serious HB? :think:
5. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive31 Mar 2010, 16:42
   As to the executive order preventing paying for abortions, I can't really say but from what you said here it seems like the regular to-and-fro involved with refining a contentious law so it may be passed. "We don't like it" "Well, how about we put in this then?" :shrug: Fines: We call it something different here: Our Medicare levy about two percent of taxable income, waived if one has health insurance. Basically if one earns about sixty grand it becomes cheaper to have insurance than to pay the levy. Jail time? Are you serious HB? :think: I am serious. As for the executive order, congress could have put that into the bill themselves. That's the way it is supposed to be done. Our President doesn't have a line item veto, and the President isn't supposed to add to law either. The entire bill is being challenged in court by 13 states, and more are talking about challenging it because: 1) It forces individuals to buy something, or be penalized. 2) It adds to the cost of State Governments. In my state we are completely dismantling an existing health care entitlement so that we can afford the extra cost that the new National Reform will cost us. The current system that is being dismantled covered over 50,000 people in Indiana.
6. JooXSalvaged from archive31 Mar 2010, 20:25
   I am serious. As for the executive order, congress could have put that into the bill themselves. That's the way it is supposed to be done. Our President doesn't have a line item veto, and the President isn't supposed to add to law either. The entire bill is being challenged in court by 13 states, and more are talking about challenging it because: 1) It forces individuals to buy something, or be penalized. 2) It adds to the cost of State Governments. In my state we are completely dismantling an existing health care entitlement so that we can afford the extra cost that the new National Reform will cost us. The current system that is being dismantled covered over 50,000 people in Indiana. Are you buying it? Or is it your Taxes buying it? (no need to split hairs here)
7. rubicksSalvaged from archive1 Apr 2010, 03:29
   one might suggest the mod route for the painless separation
8. MontysDoubleSalvaged from archive1 Apr 2010, 06:04
   Funkoozies: You might want to remove the spam link from your signature. We don't take kindly to spammers around here. :-/
9. RaidenatorSalvaged from archive1 Apr 2010, 09:13
   As you may recall, the idea of forced health care was from the Republicans. But I completely agree with you about the changing of the bill without congress' involvement. He shouldn't have the ability to do that. His legislative power is supposed to come around when it finally ends up on his desk, not before that.
10. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive3 Apr 2010, 09:34
    Are you buying it? Or is it your Taxes buying it? (no need to split hairs here) You have to buy it yourself.
11. HeyBuddySalvaged from archive3 Apr 2010, 09:50
    As you may recall, the idea of forced health care was from the Republicans. But I completely agree with you about the changing of the bill without congress' involvement. He shouldn't have the ability to do that. His legislative power is supposed to come around when it finally ends up on his desk, not before that. The Republicans in Congress need to be voted out also. Having to choose between our government providing health insurance, and being forced to buy health insurance is kind of like having to choose between a urine smoothy, and a shit sandwich. If I had to choose though, I'd rather be forced to buy insurance from a private company than have the government provide it. My first reason is that I'm going to have insurance even if I'm not forced to. I live well within my means, and make sure that I have things like insurance. The biggest reason I don't want the government providing it is because they don't know how to run anything. I just heard on the news today that the post office may have to eliminate Saturday delivery. The post office is completely exempt from competition for first class mail, and yet they lose money trying to provide it. Anywhere they aren't exempt from competition, they get their teeth kicked in by UPS and FedEx. Imagine if our government ran health care. "Well, we're losing money so we'll close the hospital on Sunday, and stop all clinical trials." Also, my mom has had Medicare and Medicaid, and they both suck. Our state offers better plans for those that don't DON'T have Medicaid or Medicare. Let's not forget that both of those programs are already broke, and full of corruption.
12. __BLAK__Salvaged from archive6 Apr 2010, 18:56
    i thought you would be happy with that decision.... lol apparently the man can never do right

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