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  1. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive28 Jun 2006, 10:59
    When I was in the UK, about a month and a half ago, we went to this pretend American dinner. To my back in the booth behind me there were these 3 BITCHES who just knew how the world worked after spending a semster in college. They were talking about the council homes and how they segregate people by race. [council home-> goverment payed housing similar to section8 housing.] They went on saying ya know they put an indian family who needs council housing in an indian neighborhood. Makes sense doesn't it. They then had the fucking AUDACITY to say, "oh, they're trying to make us segregated and whatever like America." Im sure they've never even been to America, if they had they would have noticed we aren't segregated. They even had the (again) AUDACITY to give an example of how they moved an Indian family in a white neighborhood and their life was a living hell (i.e. bricks through the window, paint, etc.) They're way more racists than we are and those bitches had the nerve to talk about America? I got so pissed I talked about it for the next two days, bitching. There was more to their conversation but it was irrelevant, but equally as ignorant. I mean when I was over there people really just don't like us. Why? I wish i'd have turned around and said something to those 3 cunts. Fucking cunts!
  2. QuackersSalvaged from archive28 Jun 2006, 11:06
    Erm, are you american or british?
  3. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive28 Jun 2006, 12:24
    Erm, are you american or british? American. British by injection, haha, no i'm just being gross.
  4. QuackersSalvaged from archive28 Jun 2006, 13:14
    Well you cant judge a whole nation because of two people. Especially after just hearing a snatch of their conversation. And you come from Leicester? Unlucky, I had the misfortune to visit it once, the word shithole springs to mind.
  5. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive28 Jun 2006, 13:35
    Well you cant judge a whole nation because of two people. Especially after just hearing a snatch of their conversation. And you come from Leicester? Unlucky, I had the misfortune to visit it once, the word shithole springs to mind. You're thinking of Birmingham, it was more than just them everywhere I went you hear America bashing. The bastards. Of course not the whole nation, just alot of it.
  6. Snuff.Salvaged from archive28 Jun 2006, 14:27
    Uh, hate to say it but the whole fucking world ridicules America. It's nothing personal (although I understand why the example you cited pissed you off so much), it's what you get for being the super of super-powers. *shrugs* Doesn't America ridicule the British equally? Or is it because anti-Americanism is often more politically oriented than your traditional stereotyping? You mentioned that they were talking about an asian family moving into a caucasian neighbourhood: who's life was a living hell? Who threw the bricks? Please expand, I was intrigued but didn't quite see what you were getting at. Were the women who were talking council housing officers or what? Having said all this, England is as demographically multi-cultural as the United States; and I'm sure you'll find a welcome and interested reception when you move here, despite the negative media stereotype which your nation suffers.
  7. QuackersSalvaged from archive28 Jun 2006, 15:10
    Well you cant judge a whole nation because of two people. Especially after just hearing a snatch of their conversation. And you come from Leicester? Unlucky, I had the misfortune to visit it once, the word shithole springs to mind. You're thinking of Birmingham, it was more than just them everywhere I went you hear America bashing. The bastards. Of course not the whole nation, just alot of it. No, im thinking of Leicister. Though ive heard Birmingham is just as bad. Ive no desire to visit Birmingham, Glasgow, Slough, Luton or any of the other dumps in Britain. Id go as far to say that Leicester is the worse city ive ever visited, except perhaps Miami.
  8. OutlawIncarnateSalvaged from archive28 Jun 2006, 23:22
    Are there actually American's who hate Native Americans? I'm pretty sure they all died like 200 years ago. I think any rational American looks back and knows that what we did was a bad thing and we destroyed a culture but no way in hell would there be any racial violence towards an Native American.
  9. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive28 Jun 2006, 23:42
    Are there actually American's who hate Native Americans? I'm pretty sure they all died like 200 years ago. I think any rational American looks back and knows that what we did was a bad thing and we destroyed a culture but no way in hell would there be any racial violence towards an Native American. You've got it mixed up about the indian family moving to a mostly white area. They were asian Indians, the council put them in a primarily white neighborhood and apparently those whites did'nt agree with the idea. Thus vented their frustrations by throwing bricks through this families windows and all sorts of terrible things. Sorry bout the confusion yall. Leicester kicks ass anyhow, well I think so :P
  10. That DudeSalvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 04:14
    Doesn't America ridicule the British equally? Or is it because anti-Americanism is often more politically oriented than your traditional stereotyping? Almost everyone I talk to around here makes fun of britain, but most of the time it's like the banter you'd hear between two buddies after a few beers, but the alcohal and one of the buddies is not present. Britain is pretty well-liked in my area, I don't know about the rest of the U.S.
  11. taz_manSalvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 10:50
    Well you cant judge a whole nation because of two people. Especially after just hearing a snatch of their conversation. And you come from Leicester? Unlucky, I had the misfortune to visit it once, the word shithole springs to mind. You're thinking of Birmingham, it was more than just them everywhere I went you hear America bashing. The bastards. Of course not the whole nation, just alot of it. hey, fuck you, birmingham is a cool city 8) ...leicester is without doubt the shittiest place on earth...a quick drive down melton road would prove me correct.... :twisted: and yes most of us fucking hate americans ( actually its your government we fuckin hate )...just like the rest of the planet..how can you travel the world and not know that?.... :?
  12. andrexoteSalvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 11:05
    yup, sad but kinda true. i got an uncle who went to europe for vacations told me that many people disagree and hates the US goverment.., something that im not sure it is true...that most of europes (less england) doesnt want to talk english with other people, they preffer to talk another lenguage to "not suport" the US lenguage :? something like that i think oh btw : america is from canada to the south of argentina. north america from canada til united states. mid america from mexico til panamá, south america from venezuela til argentina. im american, a mexican is american, a canadian is american... pleeeaaase help this order not to dissapear, the name of america camed from americo vespucio who was the first who explore the south litoral of south america.
  13. taz_manSalvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 11:31
    your uncle is correct andrexote...many european countrys ( especially france ) refuse to speak english, they like to be ignorant with foreign visitors....they dislike america, and many dislike england for supporting america ( politically )... and yes, the main problem people have with the USA is its corrupt government...and its tendantcy to invade wherever it likes for whatever reason it likes.... :lol: and i never knew where the name "america" came from, so thanks for that info... :D
  14. tgd_02Salvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 11:38
    hooray wen i go to europe ima dress like the spanish do, so no one will suspect a thing!
  15. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 11:48
    Well you cant judge a whole nation because of two people. Especially after just hearing a snatch of their conversation. And you come from Leicester? Unlucky, I had the misfortune to visit it once, the word shithole springs to mind. You're thinking of Birmingham, it was more than just them everywhere I went you hear America bashing. The bastards. Of course not the whole nation, just alot of it. hey, fuck you, birmingham is a cool city 8) ...leicester is without doubt the shittiest place on earth...a quick drive down melton road would prove me correct.... :twisted: and yes most of us fucking hate americans ( actually its your government we fuckin hate )...just like the rest of the planet..how can you travel the world and not know that?.... :? Birmingham has amazing shopping and that's IT, you won't catch me out after dark, I like living without a knife in my back. I only go there for concerts. Leicester isn't shit, it's just small, and lovely. If you wanna see shit, come to Houston maybe Leicester is shit and i'm oblivious because it's such an upgrade from Houston, oh well, I still adore it. Well, I knew you guys didn't like us, just didn't know you'd be so blunt about it. I mean the difference is I can walk down the street here and not hear a single bad comment on Britain but when you go there it's like the thing to do to talk shit about America. And if you think it just stops at our government you're sadly mistaken, maybe for you it does. I mean they talk about how we're all greedy, money hungry, and drive around in Cadillacs with long horns on the front. I blame Dallas, the series.
  16. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 11:58
    hooray wen i go to europe ima dress like the spanish do, so no one will suspect a thing! ...AND WHICH ONE WOULD YOU DRESS LIKE? http://www.magicmakers.com/internet%20jpg%20S/spanish%20m… one? :roll: :lol: .....or this one? :arrow:http://www.blackiron.us/graphics/conquistador-sm.gifHEEHEE :lol:
  17. tgd_02Salvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 12:07
    the don quixote one please, the other one, straight up mexican shit
  18. QuackersSalvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 12:09
    Well you cant judge a whole nation because of two people. Especially after just hearing a snatch of their conversation. And you come from Leicester? Unlucky, I had the misfortune to visit it once, the word shithole springs to mind. You're thinking of Birmingham, it was more than just them everywhere I went you hear America bashing. The bastards. Of course not the whole nation, just alot of it. hey, fuck you, birmingham is a cool city 8) ...leicester is without doubt the shittiest place on earth...a quick drive down melton road would prove me correct.... :twisted: and yes most of us fucking hate americans ( actually its your government we fuckin hate )...just like the rest of the planet..how can you travel the world and not know that?.... :? Birmingham has amazing shopping and that's IT, you won't catch me out after dark, I like living without a knife in my back. I only go there for concerts. Leicester isn't shit, it's just small, and lovely. If you wanna see shit, come to Houston maybe Leicester is shit and i'm oblivious because it's such an upgrade from Houston, oh well, I still adore it. Well, I knew you guys didn't like us, just didn't know you'd be so blunt about it. I mean the difference is I can walk down the street here and not hear a single bad comment on Britain but when you go there it's like the thing to do to talk shit about America. And if you think it just stops at our government you're sadly mistaken, maybe for you it does. I mean they talk about how we're all greedy, money hungry, and drive around in Cadillacs with long horns on the front. I blame Dallas, the series. I can 100% why America gets so much critism. It consumes loads of electricty, damaging the enviroment ect, and the Government is very arrogant, and often involved in unjust wars ect, like Vietnam. They are trying to stop iran developing nuclear weapons, yet they have nukes themselves. How fucking arrogant. And they are the only nation to ever use them for offensive purposes, making them (in my opinion) the country with the least right to own them. Im not going to bother getting into an argument or anything, so dont bother flaming - I wont respond, thats just my opinion on some of the reasons why people hate America.
  19. taz_manSalvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 12:16
    Well you cant judge a whole nation because of two people. Especially after just hearing a snatch of their conversation. And you come from Leicester? Unlucky, I had the misfortune to visit it once, the word shithole springs to mind. You're thinking of Birmingham, it was more than just them everywhere I went you hear America bashing. The bastards. Of course not the whole nation, just alot of it. hey, fuck you, birmingham is a cool city 8) ...leicester is without doubt the shittiest place on earth...a quick drive down melton road would prove me correct.... :twisted: and yes most of us fucking hate americans ( actually its your government we fuckin hate )...just like the rest of the planet..how can you travel the world and not know that?.... :? Birmingham has amazing shopping and that's IT, you won't catch me out after dark, I like living without a knife in my back. I only go there for concerts. Leicester isn't shit, it's just small, and lovely. If you wanna see shit, come to Houston maybe Leicester is shit and i'm oblivious because it's such an upgrade from Houston, oh well, I still adore it. Well, I knew you guys didn't like us, just didn't know you'd be so blunt about it. I mean the difference is I can walk down the street here and not hear a single bad comment on Britain but when you go there it's like the thing to do to talk shit about America. And if you think it just stops at our government you're sadly mistaken, maybe for you it does. I mean they talk about how we're all greedy, money hungry, and drive around in Cadillacs with long horns on the front. I blame Dallas, the series. well, havnt been to houston so imma take yer word on it, lol. as for leicester, well i lived in melton mowbray all my childhood, and leicester was the nearest city...so i guess iv disliked it a long time..but have to admit that i havnt been there in a while ( 10 years maybe,lol )..so it might have changed... :wink: and yeah, bham has great shopping, concerts and the like....but it is also safe to go out for the night...some great clubs and bars...if you ever want showing around, just let me know.. :wink: lol
  20. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 12:22
    the don quixote one please, the other one, straight up mexican shitOkay....if You insist! (He's on the left) http://www.book-it.org/0506/images/DON-QUIXOTE-COLOR-web.jpg
  21. andrexoteSalvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 12:29
    niiiiiice, u got the armor, the book and the sancho...now u need to talk it!
  22. QuackersSalvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 12:31
    and yeah, bham has great shopping, concerts and the like....but it is also safe to go out for the night...some great clubs and bars...if you ever want showing around, just let me know.. :wink: lol You seem to be forgetting the awful awful accent.
  23. tgd_02Salvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 12:32
    the don quixote one please, the other one, straight up mexican shitOkay....if You insist! (He's on the left) http://www.book-it.org/0506/images/DON-QUIXOTE-COLOR-web.jpg o i know my oz, IM OFF TO FIGHT SOME WINDMILLS!
  24. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 13:33
    the don quixote one please, the other one, straight up mexican shitOkay....if You insist! (He's on the left) http://www.book-it.org/0506/images/DON-QUIXOTE-COLOR-web.jpg o i know my oz, IM OFF TO FIGHT SOME WINDMILLS! (or do Battle with a herd of SHEEP http://www.stefanmart.de/thumbs/don_quixote_09.jpg
  25. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 13:39
    Well you cant judge a whole nation because of two people. Especially after just hearing a snatch of their conversation. And you come from Leicester? Unlucky, I had the misfortune to visit it once, the word shithole springs to mind. You're thinking of Birmingham, it was more than just them everywhere I went you hear America bashing. The bastards. Of course not the whole nation, just alot of it. hey, fuck you, birmingham is a cool city 8) ...leicester is without doubt the shittiest place on earth...a quick drive down melton road would prove me correct.... :twisted: and yes most of us fucking hate americans ( actually its your government we fuckin hate )...just like the rest of the planet..how can you travel the world and not know that?.... :? Birmingham has amazing shopping and that's IT, you won't catch me out after dark, I like living without a knife in my back. I only go there for concerts. Leicester isn't shit, it's just small, and lovely. If you wanna see shit, come to Houston maybe Leicester is shit and i'm oblivious because it's such an upgrade from Houston, oh well, I still adore it. Well, I knew you guys didn't like us, just didn't know you'd be so blunt about it. I mean the difference is I can walk down the street here and not hear a single bad comment on Britain but when you go there it's like the thing to do to talk shit about America. And if you think it just stops at our government you're sadly mistaken, maybe for you it does. I mean they talk about how we're all greedy, money hungry, and drive around in Cadillacs with long horns on the front. I blame Dallas, the series. I can 100% why America gets so much critism. It consumes loads of electricty, damaging the enviroment ect, and the Government is very arrogant, and often involved in unjust wars ect, like Vietnam. They are trying to stop iran developing nuclear weapons, yet they have nukes themselves. How fucking arrogant. And they are the only nation to ever use them for offensive purposes, making them (in my opinion) the country with the least right to own them. Im not going to bother getting into an argument or anything, so dont bother flaming - I wont respond, thats just my opinion on some of the reasons why people hate America. Jealous :P
  26. QuackersSalvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 13:47
    Not at all, agrogance is one of the things that really piss me off.
  27. Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive29 Jun 2006, 22:33
    Not at all, agrogance is one of the things that really piss me off. You seem rather arrogant with your views. You must piss yourself off constantly. :lol: Vietnam was ran by politicians...always a bad thing yet in nearly every engagement that the U.S. military was involved in Vietnam we rolled them over. In the end we left..and what happened? South Vietnam fell like a lead weight in water to the communist North. Parallels to todays times only in the sense that we cannot leave until the job is done. And why does almost the ENTIRE WORLD not want Iran to have nukes? :roll: Because they will use them. We use them as a deterents only. If someone attacks us with nukes then they are well assured of destruction in the extreme in other words. Iran has stated publicly that is wishes to wipe Israel off the map. That it hates America. They are assisting the terrorist insurgence in Iraq. Iran is not a democracy. Their leader is an nutter islamic radical. We aren't being arrogant. We are trying to keep some tin plated dictator from setting off a nuclear war or nuclear terrorism. If you get a bunch of small countries with unstable totalitarian governments that sponser terrorism having nuclear weapons there is going to be an incredible shitstorm sooner or later...probably sooner. Anyways most of the foreign hatred comes from their biased media broadcasting and anti-american stories/editorials...showing every bit of bad they can, but at the same time downplaying anything good(if they even mention it at all). Jealously of the United States being the only Super Power left and the blind dislike of this. Also the misconception that America and Americans are arrogant. We protect our interests. We protected YOU. Forget WW II? Maybe some citizens are arrogant, but this is the case in any country. Not all Europeans hate the United States.
  28. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive30 Jun 2006, 00:00
    Well you cant judge a whole nation because of two people. Especially after just hearing a snatch of their conversation. And you come from Leicester? Unlucky, I had the misfortune to visit it once, the word shithole springs to mind. You're thinking of Birmingham, it was more than just them everywhere I went you hear America bashing. The bastards. Of course not the whole nation, just alot of it. hey, fuck you, birmingham is a cool city 8) ...leicester is without doubt the shittiest place on earth...a quick drive down melton road would prove me correct.... :twisted: and yes most of us fucking hate americans ( actually its your government we fuckin hate )...just like the rest of the planet..how can you travel the world and not know that?.... :? Birmingham has amazing shopping and that's IT, you won't catch me out after dark, I like living without a knife in my back. I only go there for concerts. Leicester isn't shit, it's just small, and lovely. If you wanna see shit, come to Houston maybe Leicester is shit and i'm oblivious because it's such an upgrade from Houston, oh well, I still adore it. Well, I knew you guys didn't like us, just didn't know you'd be so blunt about it. I mean the difference is I can walk down the street here and not hear a single bad comment on Britain but when you go there it's like the thing to do to talk shit about America. And if you think it just stops at our government you're sadly mistaken, maybe for you it does. I mean they talk about how we're all greedy, money hungry, and drive around in Cadillacs with long horns on the front. I blame Dallas, the series. well, havnt been to houston so imma take yer word on it, lol. as for leicester, well i lived in melton mowbray all my childhood, and leicester was the nearest city...so i guess iv disliked it a long time..but have to admit that i havnt been there in a while ( 10 years maybe,lol )..so it might have changed... :wink: and yeah, bham has great shopping, concerts and the like....but it is also safe to go out for the night...some great clubs and bars...if you ever want showing around, just let me know.. :wink: lol Well, I just found Leicester to be really quaint and just lovely. I recently went to uhh.....whats that parks name the one with Old John, those ruins, on top of it. Fuck I can't remember the name and i got engaged there. You know the one. Well we went up there at night and saw the whole city and I just fell in love with it. Birmingham remindes me just TOO much of NYC. But sure, if I ever go down there I wouldn't mind getting the taz_man tour. :D I like drinking in different places.
  29. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive30 Jun 2006, 10:44
    verticlekiller sez: .....whats that parks name the one with Old John, those ruins, on top of it. Fuck I can't remember the name and i got engaged there. You know the one. Well we went up there at night and saw the whole city and I just fell in love with it. Never been there but perhaps the Romance of the Evening clouded your vision....LOVE has a way of doing that you know! That is why you here about these idiots that meet at, work in and get MARRIED in a Friggin McDonald's! Love is Blind to what is really surrounding them! Open your eyes to everything before tying the knot, VK.....I think you may have issues that need to be dealt with first. I am saying this from my experiences in my own life and those around me. Either way, Best of Luck in whatever you do!
  30. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive1 Jul 2006, 22:19
    verticlekiller sez: .....whats that parks name the one with Old John, those ruins, on top of it. Fuck I can't remember the name and i got engaged there. You know the one. Well we went up there at night and saw the whole city and I just fell in love with it. Never been there but perhaps the Romance of the Evening clouded your vision....LOVE has a way of doing that you know! That is why you here about these idiots that meet at, work in and get MARRIED in a Friggin McDonald's! Love is Blind to what is really surrounding them! Open your eyes to everything before tying the knot, VK.....I think you may have issues that need to be dealt with first. I am saying this from my experiences in my own life and those around me. Either way, Best of Luck in whatever you do! I only went there once and for the life of me i just can not remember the name of the park, oh well. I don't have issues Ozzie......well a few but none that are preventing me from getting married. Childhood shit you know, nothing serious though. And thanks for the luck angel bottom. :)
  31. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive2 Jul 2006, 06:24
    VK wrote: I only went there once and for the life of me i just can not remember the name of the park, oh well. I don't have issues Ozzie......well a few but none that are preventing me from getting married. Childhood shit you know, nothing serious though. And thanks for the luck angel bottom Sorry VK, I did not mean that you had emotional problems or issues to deal with. What I meant was the question as to whether or not to lie to your fiance'. If you could lie over something so irrelevant as what you were going to lie about....then you have issues. Your relationship HAS to based on trust, when you lie...you no longer have that trust. Once you lie, the lies that follow come easy. Soon, you don't even realise that you are lying at all. Now you have woven a big web of deceit and you are stuck in it with no way out. Should your boyfriend, fiance' or husband catch you in this lie. It will destroy the fabric of your relationship and it may never be mended. Should they NOT catch you in the Lie, you will find it all that much easier to lie again about something just as unimportant. Until you are lying about the important things in your relationship. Just make sure that you both love each other enough to tie the knot and "become one". That way, you will never cheat on yourself, lie to yourself or hurt yourself.
  32. Snuff.Salvaged from archive2 Jul 2006, 11:01
    Not at all, agrogance is one of the things that really piss me off. You seem rather arrogant with your views. You must piss yourself off constantly. :lol: Vietnam was ran by politicians...always a bad thing yet in nearly every engagement that the U.S. military was involved in Vietnam we rolled them over. In the end we left..and what happened? South Vietnam fell like a lead weight in water to the communist North. Parallels to todays times only in the sense that we cannot leave until the job is done. And why does almost the ENTIRE WORLD not want Iran to have nukes? :roll: Because they will use them. We use them as a deterents only. If someone attacks us with nukes then they are well assured of destruction in the extreme in other words. Iran has stated publicly that is wishes to wipe Israel off the map. That it hates America. They are assisting the terrorist insurgence in Iraq. Iran is not a democracy. Their leader is an nutter islamic radical. We aren't being arrogant. We are trying to keep some tin plated dictator from setting off a nuclear war or nuclear terrorism. If you get a bunch of small countries with unstable totalitarian governments that sponser terrorism having nuclear weapons there is going to be an incredible shitstorm sooner or later...probably sooner. Anyways most of the foreign hatred comes from their biased media broadcasting and anti-american stories/editorials...showing every bit of bad they can, but at the same time downplaying anything good(if they even mention it at all). Jealously of the United States being the only Super Power left and the blind dislike of this. Also the misconception that America and Americans are arrogant. We protect our interests. We protected YOU. Forget WW II? Maybe some citizens are arrogant, but this is the case in any country. Not all Europeans hate the United States. Actually...no. Ahmedinjad's a pretty shrewd geezer (and a REAL shit-stirrer). The way he's managed to shut down the nuclear talks is pretty impressive, in my books. He's DEFFINATELY not a radical. He panders to the masses in an Islamic republic and, well...Muslims aint too hot on Israel. Go figure. Yes, Iran is heavily involved in the Iraqi insurgency, but it's mostly sectarian in nature. The only direct involvement is on behalf of Iranian security services, which as I understand it is a seperate entity in itself. The CIA like to paint them as gung-ho "terrorists", but once again the truth is a lot more subtle. Their involvement in Iraq is basically what's stopping you Yanks from over-flexing your muscles. :wink: Once again: go figure. And Iran would NOT use nukes if they have them! :lol: Please dude, you're making yourself look a tad silly now. The whole "wipe Israel off the map" agenda is no more than propaganda. Iran's got muscle but it knows how far it can push it. I suggest you pay closer attention to how they've handled the UN over the whole nuclear issue. :wink: Very sharp. They're playing good game. Finally: the Russians won WWII, as much as the "allies" (...waitaminute...) like to toot their own horn, it was Stalin who won the war. That's one of the major reasons America even got involved. You really are saturated with propaganda, man. Sort yourself out. But yes: you are right about European media jumping on the America-bashing bandwagon. It even gets boring for ME sometimes. :lol: Bottom line though: I love the Yanks. :) They sure as fuck don't always do the right thing, but they've only rarely done an out-right wrong thing, either.
  33. Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive2 Jul 2006, 21:29
    Actually...no. Ahmedinjad's a pretty shrewd geezer (and a REAL shit-stirrer). The way he's managed to shut down the nuclear talks is pretty impressive, in my books. He's DEFFINATELY not a radical. He panders to the masses in an Islamic republic and, well...Muslims aint too hot on Israel. Go figure. Yes, Iran is heavily involved in the Iraqi insurgency, but it's mostly sectarian in nature. The only direct involvement is on behalf of Iranian security services, which as I understand it is a seperate entity in itself. The CIA like to paint them as gung-ho "terrorists", but once again the truth is a lot more subtle. Their involvement in Iraq is basically what's stopping you Yanks from over-flexing your muscles. :wink: Once again: go figure. And Iran would NOT use nukes if they have them! :lol: Please dude, you're making yourself look a tad silly now. The whole "wipe Israel off the map" agenda is no more than propaganda. Iran's got muscle but it knows how far it can push it. I suggest you pay closer attention to how they've handled the UN over the whole nuclear issue. :wink: Very sharp. They're playing good game. Finally: the Russians won WWII, as much as the "allies" (...waitaminute...) like to toot their own horn, it was Stalin who won the war. That's one of the major reasons America even got involved. You really are saturated with propaganda, man. Sort yourself out. But yes: you are right about European media jumping on the America-bashing bandwagon. It even gets boring for ME sometimes. :lol: Bottom line though: I love the Yanks. :) They sure as fuck don't always do the right thing, but they've only rarely done an out-right wrong thing, either. YEAH HE'S DEFINITELY NOT A RADICAL OR TERRORIST HE'S A HARMLESS SMART LITTLE NERD PLAYING GAMES WITH THE U.N. http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/mahmoud_ahmadine… Mahmoud Ahmadinejad during the Iranian hostage crisis. There is no way in Hell you can predict what Iran would do with nukes. Their government is a religious toltalitarian regime and not as stable as some think. Only evil assholes play games over the creation of nuclear weapons. Your history needs revision don't even go into history with me it's something I am very familiar with. We entered the war officially in WW II because of Japan's attack of Pearl Harbor. The Russians entered the war because Germany broke treaty with them and attacked them almost taking Moscow. The Allied front was advancing and winning without Russian aid and we would have won without them WITHOUT A DOUBT. Sort your propaganda out.
  34. cezare79Salvaged from archive3 Jul 2006, 08:40
    Your history needs revision don't even go into history with me it's something I am very familiar with. We entered the war officially in WW II because of Japan's attack of Pearl Harbor. The Russians entered the war because Germany broke treaty with them and attacked them almost taking Moscow. The Allied front was advancing and winning without Russian aid and we would have won without them WITHOUT A DOUBT. Sort your propaganda out. WHAT??? :lol: Please, remind me, where exactly the Allied front was advancing? If memory serves me right, the British forces have retreated to the home base, France fell and the US forces have engaged the Nazis only in 1944. How many POWs Red Army has captured in Stalingrad? 300,000? Says volumes about where the bulk of Wermacht forces were at the time. Thanks, snuffelect
  35. Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive3 Jul 2006, 08:54
    Your history needs revision don't even go into history with me it's something I am very familiar with. We entered the war officially in WW II because of Japan's attack of Pearl Harbor. The Russians entered the war because Germany broke treaty with them and attacked them almost taking Moscow. The Allied front was advancing and winning without Russian aid and we would have won without them WITHOUT A DOUBT. Sort your propaganda out. WHAT??? :lol: Please, remind me, where exactly the Allied front was advancing? If memory serves me right, the British forces have retreated to the home base, France fell and the US forces have engaged the Nazis only in 1944. How many POWs Red Army has captured in Stalingrad? 300,000? Says volumes about where the bulk of Wermacht forces were at the time. Thanks, snuffelect WHAT? You misinterpret time frames. The war was well under way when the U.S. entered right. We were however supplying Allied powers up until our entrance. The attitude was strict isolationism back then and that's why it took Pearl to bring us in. Once we were in the war Russian army or no Russian army they were doomed. The United States had limitless resources and some excellent Generals..Patton was my personal favorite. Russia would have been DOOMED if not for their HARSH winters. Russian winter and bogged/cut German supply lines did more to push back the Germans from Russia than the Russian army could have at the time. German command had a hand in their loss as well. It may have taken longer without Russia, but don't you doubt the U.S. saved alot of asses in WW II. Don't doubt it for a second.
  36. cezare79Salvaged from archive3 Jul 2006, 09:59
    On one hand, I am rather reluctant to engage in this debate out of respect for all the men and women who have fought and died in this War: British, American, German, Russian... All had their role to play. On the other hand, I don't want to seem like a total pussy, so here it goes... Once we were in the war Russian army or no Russian army they were doomed. Well, they WERE doomed al right. Thats what happens to people when you sucker punch them. With all due respect, the US forces have struck from the rear. As I said, the major bulk of Wermacht armies have been engaged in Russia for almost four years by then. Fruthermore, the Nazi Germany had a great army back then. Small example: compare Sherman to any Panzer or Tiger tank. Do you really believe Shermans were better? It would be a futile debate though if we start discussing "what if" and dismiss the impact the Red Army had on events. Russia would have been DOOMED if not for their HARSH winters. Russian winter and bogged/cut German supply lines did more to push back the Germans from Russia than the Russian army could have at the time. German command had a hand in their loss as well. Yep, the Germans just froze to death. :) Although I agree that the Germans made a crucial mistake by pursuing the victory in Stalingrad instead of going for the oil-rich Caucasus, it is still quite a claim that only the weather conditions had any role to play in the victory of the Soviet Union. Please, indulge me with some facts
  37. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive3 Jul 2006, 10:23
    OH BABY! I feel a good one coming on! I wish my pop were here instead of all alone on his ranch in the Mountains of Wyoming! He relives WWII all the time! Still wears his uniform in parades and at reunions. Owns and drives an original restored WWII "Willys" Jeep. A real nut case when it comes to discussing both the European and Pacific conflicts. I just might have to throw a few posts in on this also............ hmmmmmm, wanna brush up on my dates and locations so I don't put the ol' size 14ew in my mouth! YEP, I just may throw my hat into this ring.......SHARPEN YER PENCILS, BOYS.......WE IS ABOUT TO DEBATE HISTORY!
  38. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive3 Jul 2006, 10:28
    WAIT A MINUTE! This thread is getting off Topic! The discussion here was about "Brits hating Americans" I believe....if you want to discuss WWII or Vietnam or the Korean Conflict....lets start a new thread under a new topic. Lets not disrupt this one!
  39. Snuff.Salvaged from archive3 Jul 2006, 13:02
    Evil Conservative is right that America pretty much saved EUROPE's ass during WWII in terms of supplies, but the fact remains that the war itself was won by Russia. On the Eastern Front 2,415,000 Germans were killed and 11,000,000 Soviets. Deaths in Europe barely exceeded the million mark: Poland: 80,000 Denmark/Norway: 5,700 France: 185,000 Balkans: 160,000 Greece: 35,400 Italy: 125,000 Ellis: 292,620 Clodfelter: 509,500 Deaths in Pacific: 1,192,120 American: 92,010 Japanese: 1,100,110 Now the USA's involvement in the pacific is undisputed, but do not doubt that the Russians and the Germans fought WWII, everybody else was hanging on for dear life and scavenging opportunities from the wreckage.
  40. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive3 Jul 2006, 13:54
    Evil Conservative is right that America pretty much saved EUROPE's ass during WWII in terms of supplies, but the fact remains that the war itself was won by Russia. The stats could be broken down even more. What about the civilians that paid the highest price aiding the allied forces while they were over there fighting? On the Eastern Front 2,415,000 Germans were killed and 11,000,000 Soviets. How many died due to lack of supplies, starvation and freezing to death? Deaths in Europe barely exceeded the million mark: What about the people who died in concentration camps, en-route to the camps or as they were rounded up? Are the civilian "under ground forces" taken account for in these numbers? Poland: 80,000 Denmark/Norway: 5,700 France: 185,000 France folded early in the war, but do these numbers include members of the French Resistance that did so much? Balkans: 160,000 Greece: 35,400 Italy: 125,000 Is this a total death from both when Italy was a member of the AXIS and after they surrendered to turn and help in the war AGAINST Germany? Ellis: 292,620 Clodfelter: 509,500 Deaths in Pacific: 1,192,120 American: 92,010 Does this figure include Filipino's, Australians and other allied forces such as the British and French who sent troops to the Pacific? and the Thousands who died in POW camps or on Death Marches? Japanese: 1,100,110 Is this just armed forces casualties? Does it include the casualties that were a result of the dropping of Atomic Bombs? Now the USA's involvement in the pacific is undisputed, but do not doubt that the Russians and the Germans fought WWII, everybody else was hanging on for dear life and scavenging opportunities from the wreckage. Thanks for the post ^^_snufftelect_^^....where did you secure the stats? Is there a web site [url] that I could research this somemore?
  41. Snuff.Salvaged from archive3 Jul 2006, 17:42
    your wish is my command: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/ww2stats.htm I took the statistics from a mean total of military deaths. Totted up from various encyclopedias, I believe. The figures refer to the number of deaths in each of the relative TERRITORIES, the country names do not refer to nationality. How many died due to lack of supplies, starvation and freezing to death? I would come to the conclusion from looking at those figures that more was expent upon the war by Russia and Germany than any other side. How they died is irrelevant by those terms: if Germany hadn't deemed Russia such a threat those men would've been sent to secure other fronts. Does this figure include Filipino's, Australians and other allied forces such as the British and French who sent troops to the Pacific? and the Thousands who died in POW camps or on Death Marches? I guess it's only American deaths. I cannot enlighten you any further upon that one, I'm afraid.
  42. Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive3 Jul 2006, 18:19
    Now the USA's involvement in the pacific is undisputed, but do not doubt that the Russians and the Germans fought WWII, everybody else was hanging on for dear life and scavenging opportunities from the wreckage. This statement of yours is idiotic. The ALLIES faught WWII. If Germany didn't have the U.S. and allies to worry about you could reverse it and say "welluh huhuhuh if Germany didn't have the U.S. and other allies to worry about then they could have concentrated on the Soviet front and knocked them back or held them..uh huhuh" Everyone else wasn't hanging on for dear life and especially not the United States. Historical Timeline of WW II (http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/ww2time.htm) This topic has been misdirected to Hell and back. How about getting back on it if it's to be continued.
  43. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive4 Jul 2006, 07:17
    ^^_snufftelect_^^ posted this url: your wish is my command: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/ww2stats.htm I took the statistics from a mean total of military deaths. Totted up from various encyclopedias, I believe. The figures refer to the number of deaths in each of the relative TERRITORIES, the country names do not refer to nationality Thanks Snuff's... I did check out the site........a rather imposing and confusing list of statistics I would say. It appears that the names next to the little black box are the resource that the information came from. As I scrolled down, I did notice that it breaks the death tolls into additional areas such as suicides and executions ( notely Germany). Also separate listings for civillians. Regardless, I do not believe that the final toll will ever be known for this war or any war. MIA's, Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, Illness caught while on foreign soils....they all add up. I suppose war is (unfortunately) modern mans "Population Control". Since the people of the world live so much longer these days, Starvation, famine and disease do not take their toll as they once did. I can not imagine what the worlds population would be today, if all the deaths that occurred during the many conflicts of the 20th Century had never occurred and were allowed to live and reproduce. The population would be astronomical!

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