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crazyjoeSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 17:02
Where do the stories of Adam and Eve, Noah's ark, and others come from? Who is the first person telling them? I have been forced to take catholic classes(conformation and others) and I have heard these stories, but they never include their origin. You are not told that god said "there was once adam and eve and blah blah blah." And furthermore how did Polytheism start(Paegens)? I mean it's not like the Greeks just randomly started to believe in their Gods. Somebody had to be telling them about the gods.
KitRaeSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 17:15
According to the christian religion, god told the guys that wrote the bible what to write...thus creating the stories. Imo, it was probably just some guy that wanted to make money and had way to much time on his hands that wrote it.
QuackersSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 17:16
Put the fear of God in someone and they'll behave. I imagine someone in Authority made it all up one day. Or it could have all just started as a bedtime story... Who knows. Foolish people believed it anyway, and it spread. It got bigger and bigger and children had it forced upon them from a young age, were effectivly brainwashed before they could form thoughts of their own. This brainwashing still goes on today. It was obviously spread by fanatics like Jesus, who was deluded enough to think he was the son of God. The bibles just an old fiction book really, it has no facts in it. In a few thousand years time someone will find a copy of Lord Of The Rings, and we'll all be Worshipping Gandalf as a new deity.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 17:48
According to the christian religion, god told the guys that wrote the bible what to write...thus creating the stories. Imo, it was probably just some guy that wanted to make money and had way to much time on his hands that wrote it. lol I hope that's not true. If it is what makes his account so true? I could say god told me to write fuck you. Would you believe me?
KitRaeSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 17:55
In that time, you would be sentenced to death if you didn't... They would chain you to a pole and throw rocks at you :? I'd believe anything if the alternative is a horrible death.
Rocker KidSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:02
This fight will never be solved.
QuackersSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:05
Until Christanity dies out and something else takes its place. Then the fight will just be irrelavent. Its dying out now, compare the numbers of people going to church now, with the number that went 60 years ago.
AllisterFiendSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:07
"Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue about that. I'm right and will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first, rock 'n' roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right, but his disciples were think and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me. - John Lennon, 1966
Rocker KidSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:14
"Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue about that. I'm right and will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first, rock 'n' roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right, but his disciples were think and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me. - John Lennon, 1966 Good quote man good quote. But it's people like you and me who want to revive Rock N Roll make it rule the world again.... Could sombody who has the right idea about Chritianity revive it as well?
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:16
Kitrae is right, God did tell them what to write. Christianity has been around since there has been someone to doubt it. It won't be going anywhere anytime soon. One guy didn't just make up the Bible to make money. Especially seeing as how back in the day people used to be killed for owning it. No one just made the Bible up, thats just a silly thuoght. By the way you guys shouldn't mix catholiacism and protestant. They're very very different. Unless you're talking about Orthodox Cathlics, that's more closely related to Protestant. Roman catholacism is....just not close at all.
AllisterFiendSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:20
Alright. My view on christianity. Blown totally out of proportion. I think.
KitRaeSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:20
I despise the people that can't think for themselves and their entire lives is made up of 'pleasing god'.... What christian branch is that?
QuackersSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:22
Kitrae is right, God did tell them what to write. Christianity has been around since there has been someone to doubt it. It won't be going anywhere anytime soon. What makes you so sure of that? All other major religions have run their course and died out. The roman and greek gods now only exist in history books, im sure people thought they would last forever at the time. We can learn alot from the past. Christanity isnt going to disappear overnight, but its losing members gradually. 500 years ago everyone believed in it, but the numbers of people attending church has slowly but steadily decreased. And God telling them what to write? Sounds much more like people with a screw loose hearing things.
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:25
That's what Christianity is about, pleasing God through your works and trying to save those around you. Thats the basic principle. Some take that too far, some use it as a way to do what you want without going to hell. It's a debate that will never end.
Rocker KidSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:26
I despise the people that can't think for themselves and their entire lives is made up of 'pleasing god'.... What christian branch is that? Baptist...
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:31
Kitrae is right, God did tell them what to write. Christianity has been around since there has been someone to doubt it. It won't be going anywhere anytime soon. What makes you so sure of that? All other major religions have run their course and died out. The roman and greek gods now only exist in history books, im sure people thought they would last forever at the time. We can learn alot from the past. Christanity isnt going to disappear overnight, but its losing members gradually. 500 years ago everyone believed in it, but the numbers of people attending church has slowly but steadily decreased. And God telling them what to write? Sounds much more like people with a screw loose hearing things. That's what it says and I have faith, that what makes me sure. All other major religions have run their course? Like Buddism, Mormonism, Hindu, Jewish-ism :? , I mean the list goes on. They're the main ones and they're still kicking. 500 years ago church was the center of everyones life. In some countries it was forced. Now that people have free will i'm sure it seems as if Christianity is dying out, but that just won't happen. Do you have any like proof to show church attendance and Christianity is dwindeling, besides personal perception?
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:34
I despise the people that can't think for themselves and their entire lives is made up of 'pleasing god'.... What christian branch is that? Baptist... Im baptist-ish and I think for myself. I think you know that first hand. You can't judge an entire group on a steriotype, that's like me saying all girls who play guitar are animal rights activist just because some of them are.
AllisterFiendSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:37
That's what it says and I have faith, that what makes me sure. All other major religions have run their course? Like Buddism, Mormonism, Hindu, Jewish-ism :? , I mean the list goes on. They're the main ones and they're still kicking. 500 years ago church was the center of everyones life. In some countries it was forced. Now that people have free will i'm sure it seems as if Christianity is dying out, but that just won't happen. Do you have any like proof to show church attendance and Christianity is dwindeling, besides personal perception? Seems like to me old religions are dieing out and new religions are being created in their place... :?
QuackersSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:39
Kitrae is right, God did tell them what to write. Christianity has been around since there has been someone to doubt it. It won't be going anywhere anytime soon. What makes you so sure of that? All other major religions have run their course and died out. The roman and greek gods now only exist in history books, im sure people thought they would last forever at the time. We can learn alot from the past. Christanity isnt going to disappear overnight, but its losing members gradually. 500 years ago everyone believed in it, but the numbers of people attending church has slowly but steadily decreased. And God telling them what to write? Sounds much more like people with a screw loose hearing things. That's what it says and I have faith, that what makes me sure. All other major religions have run their course? Like Buddism, Mormonism, Hindu, Jewish-ism :? , I mean the list goes on. They're the main ones and they're still kicking. 500 years ago church was the center of everyones life. In some countries it was forced. Now that people have free will i'm sure it seems as if Christianity is dying out, but that just won't happen. Do you have any like proof to show church attendance and Christianity is dwindeling, besides personal perception? They're still kicking now, but eventually they will have run their race. The world and everyone in it is forever changing, some things take awhile to change but nothing is the same forever. There was a time before Buddism Judaism ect exsisted, and im certain they will die out only leaving only memories behind one day. Your right, 500 years ago the church was the center of peoples lifes, and now its not. It dosnt enter lots of people lives now, and its been pushed to the side in others, its only so long until its pushed out altogether. I dont have church attendance statistics to prove anything, and im not going to waste my time digging them up, but look at your granparents generation, how many of them followed Christanity compared to the ammount of people you know in your generation. You claim to have faith in the Bible, but whats given you faith in this old book without any facts supporting the claims it makes?
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:40
That's what it says and I have faith, that what makes me sure. All other major religions have run their course? Like Buddism, Mormonism, Hindu, Jewish-ism :? , I mean the list goes on. They're the main ones and they're still kicking. 500 years ago church was the center of everyones life. In some countries it was forced. Now that people have free will i'm sure it seems as if Christianity is dying out, but that just won't happen. Do you have any like proof to show church attendance and Christianity is dwindeling, besides personal perception? Seems like to me old religions are dieing out and new religions are being created... Like I asked TRex. Any proof besides your own perception? You're young, and I doubt you've gone and studied what you're claiming or anything. When did this revelation make itself known to you, or is it just the cool thing to do?
KitRaeSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:42
That's what it says and I have faith, that what makes me sure. All other major religions have run their course? Like Buddism, Mormonism, Hindu, Jewish-ism :? , I mean the list goes on. They're the main ones and they're still kicking. 500 years ago church was the center of everyones life. In some countries it was forced. Now that people have free will i'm sure it seems as if Christianity is dying out, but that just won't happen. Do you have any like proof to show church attendance and Christianity is dwindeling, besides personal perception? First: you have to admit that it's a little weird to believe in something just because it is written in a book (not attacking the way you believe or something, just sayin' :)) Second: Jewish -ism???? :lol: :lol: :lol:
AllisterFiendSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:44
Like I asked TRex. Any proof besides your own perception? You're young, and I doubt you've gone and studied what you're claiming or anything. When did this revelation make itself known to you, or is it just the cool thing to do? Do you have any proof that it's not?
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:48
Kitrae is right, God did tell them what to write. Christianity has been around since there has been someone to doubt it. It won't be going anywhere anytime soon. What makes you so sure of that? All other major religions have run their course and died out. The roman and greek gods now only exist in history books, im sure people thought they would last forever at the time. We can learn alot from the past. Christanity isnt going to disappear overnight, but its losing members gradually. 500 years ago everyone believed in it, but the numbers of people attending church has slowly but steadily decreased. And God telling them what to write? Sounds much more like people with a screw loose hearing things. That's what it says and I have faith, that what makes me sure. All other major religions have run their course? Like Buddism, Mormonism, Hindu, Jewish-ism :? , I mean the list goes on. They're the main ones and they're still kicking. 500 years ago church was the center of everyones life. In some countries it was forced. Now that people have free will i'm sure it seems as if Christianity is dying out, but that just won't happen. Do you have any like proof to show church attendance and Christianity is dwindeling, besides personal perception? They're still kicking now, but eventually they will have run their race. The world and everyone in it is forever changing, some things take awhile to change but nothing is the same forever. There was a time before Buddism Judaism ect exsisted, and im certain they will die out only leaving only memories behind one day. Your right, 500 years ago the church was the center of peoples lifes, and now its not. It dosnt enter lots of people lives now, and its been pushed to the side in others, its only so long until its pushed out altogether. I dont have church attendance statistics to prove anything, and im not going to waste my time digging them up, but look at your granparents generation, how many of them followed Christanity compared to the ammount of people you know in your generation. You claim to have faith in the Bible, but whats given you faith in this old book without any facts supporting the claims it makes? Well society changes and it will eventually implode in on itself. I know you think i'm proving your point "yes, society is changing so religion will be pushed to the side." but it's because people HAVE abandoned Christianity that things are in such diarray. Do you think that the war over the holy land is going to be ending anytime soon? The Middle East is NEVER going to let religion die, EVER. My faith comes from the fact that as of yet I have not run into any contridictions, only contradictions in people. I dont understand what facts do I need proof for? Im not trying to be a smartass i'm just wanting an example of a claim that has no proof.
KitRaeSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:48
Like I asked TRex. Any proof besides your own perception? You're young, and I doubt you've gone and studied what you're claiming or anything. When did this revelation make itself known to you, or is it just the cool thing to do? Do you have any proof that it's not? There isn't. They have a name for a situation like that. It's called Religion.
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:53
Kitrae: Yeah it may seem strange to believe something just because its written down but if you look at it like that ALL religion is strange. That's just how it is. Jewish-ish; I couldn't think of the official name for it. That's the best I could do on short notice. Allister: I have no proof, but i'm also not claiming to know anything like you did. You seem to KNOW that christianity is dying, I said I don't THINK it is. What you're claiming is fact. All I asked for was proof.
AllisterFiendSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:54
God just woke up one day, and said "Hey! Im'ma make me a big round ball of rock and metal and put some people and animals on it! And if they don't do what I like, their going to burn in a fiery abyss for all of eternity!" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
QuackersSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 19:58
I think WWIII (which I think we will see someday) will settle alot of differences in the middle east, history is written by the victor, not the damned. You say people were persecuted for carrying bibles at one point? Why wont another religion spread in the middle east like that? It could start off with a few people, who are persecuted, become martyres ect, and eventualy it spreads to become the dominant religion. I dont think things are in such disaray due to people abandoning Christanity, certain politicians have claimed to have 'prayed to God' when deciding whether to go to war in iraq ect. And Christanity has a bloody history, the Crusades ect. Just because you havnt run into contradictions, dosnt mean that whats in the Bible is true? What makes you think that God created the world in 7 days? What makes you think that Mary became pregnant through the work of God?
KitRaeSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 20:01
I think WWIII (which I think we will see someday) will settle alot of differences in the middle east. I dont think things are in such disaray due to people abandoning Christanity, certain politicians have claimed to have 'prayed to God' when deciding whether to go to war in iraq ect. And Christanity has a bloody history, the Crusades ect. Just because you havnt run into contradictions, dosnt mean that whats in the Bible is true? What makes you think that God created the world in 7 days? What makes you think that Mary became pregnant through the work of God? So basically god is a hard-working, though two-timing pervert for making someone else's wife pregnant :lol:
babadiSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 20:13
Second: Jewish -ism???? :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote] isnts it like judaism?
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 20:36
Second: Jewish -ism???? :lol: :lol: :lol: isnts it like judaism?[/quote] nope
OverlordSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 22:01
Jewish-ism :? LMFAO
OverlordSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 22:12
Without going too deep into this, a couple comments: 1) No Christianity (the Religion) is not dead. 2) No the events and circumstances of the Bible are not "made up". We have more documents about the Roman age than any other period of history (except for the last couple hundred years, I mean ancient history) and they're not all from a Christian point of view nor reference. 3) If you hate Religion (as any belief system becomes over time and traditions seep into the faiths) then try someone more philosophical like Buddhism rather than becoming Catholic. 4) Here are some core beliefs 90% of humanity would agree on. - God is love - There is some form of higher awareness, being, or universal consciousness - Religion is a man made creation - Self-awareness is the key to understanding God 5) WWIII will not solve the Christian/Jewish/Muslim issue. More than likely it will just kill millions of innocent people. 6) 500 years ago the Church was only the center of people's lives in Western Europe??? That's some arrogant Western self-righteous thinking right there to think the world had already accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. T.Rex you should write speeches for the Bush administration. 7) AllisterFiend, what new religions are being created today? Scientology? LOL. Sorry I want more input on this. 8) verticalkiller, if you are a Baptist then I'm a Roman Cardinal. Baptists don't go around telling people to fuck themselves all the time like you do. that's all...
ParlousSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 22:50
Put the fear of God in someone and they'll behave. Fear? Last time I checked Christianity wasn't ISLAM. God(Yahweh) does not want you to fear him but LOVE him. You're getting two religions mixed up. It is stressed over and over in the Bible that man is free to love or hate God(Yahweh). Where as in the Qur'an and Hadit (Islam books) God(Allah) wants you to fear him not love him, it even says Allah could care less about your love for him. I am not against people who speak freely about opposing religion, just get your facts straight before you do so.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 23:34
No the events and circumstances of the Bible are not "made up". We have more documents about the Roman age than any other period of history (except for the last couple hundred years, I mean ancient history) and they're not all from a Christian point of view nor reference. Im not refering about Jesus not being real. I won't deny that. But I can't help but question alot of stories that are in the Bible which seem rather fictional. Like adam and eve. How did people know about it. That question was answered by VK. God told someone to write it down. But how do we really know God told him to write it down. What makes him believable?
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive18 Jul 2006, 23:46
Without going too deep into this, a couple comments: 1) No Christianity (the Religion) is not dead. 2) No the events and circumstances of the Bible are not "made up". We have more documents about the Roman age than any other period of history (except for the last couple hundred years, I mean ancient history) and they're not all from a Christian point of view nor reference. 3) If you hate Religion (as any belief system becomes over time and traditions seep into the faiths) then try someone more philosophical like Buddhism rather than becoming Catholic. 4) Here are some core beliefs 90% of humanity would agree on. - God is love - There is some form of higher awareness, being, or universal consciousness - Religion is a man made creation - Self-awareness is the key to understanding God 5) WWIII will not solve the Christian/Jewish/Muslim issue. More than likely it will just kill millions of innocent people. 6) 500 years ago the Church was only the center of people's lives in Western Europe??? That's some arrogant Western self-righteous thinking right there to think the world had already accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. T.Rex you should write speeches for the Bush administration. 7) AllisterFiend, what new religions are being created today? Scientology? LOL. Sorry I want more input on this. 8) verticalkiller, if you are a Baptist then I'm a Roman Cardinal. Baptists don't go around telling people to fuck themselves all the time like you do. that's all... Baptist-ish. The key part os that is the 'ish' part. By the way, it's nice to meet you Cardinal.
Rocker KidSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 00:14
Put the fear of God in someone and they'll behave. Fear? Last time I checked Christianity wasn't ISLAM. God(Yahweh) does not want you to fear him but LOVE him. You're getting two religions mixed up. It is stressed over and over in the Bible that man is free to love or hate God(Yahweh). Where as in the Qur'an and Hadit (Islam books) God(Allah) wants you to fear him not love him, it even says Allah could care less about your love for him. I am not against people who speak freely about opposing religion, just get your facts straight before you do so. It's not the fear of God its God Fearing. The fear of what god will do to you if you dno't follow his rules. Not literally fearing him like a strike of lightning will raighn down on you if you litter a platic cup fearing of judement after you die. Where does it say Allah doesn't give a fuck about you or care about you what-so-ever in the other books? I've heard Islam and Muzlum kids say they love Allah before... and if you think they're violent religions that only wanna blow up Americans you're completely wrong.. they basically want what a Christian would want... peace and Love... It's only the extremists that want to blow up themseleve and innocent people...
Uh ohSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 00:38
No the events and circumstances of the Bible are not "made up". We have more documents about the Roman age than any other period of history (except for the last couple hundred years, I mean ancient history) and they're not all from a Christian point of view nor reference. Im not refering about Jesus not being real. I won't deny that. But I can't help but question alot of stories that are in the Bible which seem rather fictional. Like adam and eve. How did people know about it. That question was answered by VK. God told someone to write it down. But how do we really know God told him to write it down. What makes him believable? the only really questionable stories of the Bible would be Adam and Eve and Noah's ark, since they took place so early in civilized history. however, Noah's Ark is a story extremely similar to other stories found in ancient babylonian texts. there are three sources (including the Bible) which describe an enormous flood and one man with many animals and a boat. i watched a discovery channel special on it (better than nothing) and the "epic of gilgamesh" (oldest known literature on earth) has parts that share similarties to the flood story. however there are numerous flood stories from ancient civilizations. the adam and eve story also shares similarties to other ancient stories. it's not too hard to believe the stories of Abraham or the Tower of Babel though.
Rocker KidSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 00:47
No the events and circumstances of the Bible are not "made up". We have more documents about the Roman age than any other period of history (except for the last couple hundred years, I mean ancient history) and they're not all from a Christian point of view nor reference. Im not refering about Jesus not being real. I won't deny that. But I can't help but question alot of stories that are in the Bible which seem rather fictional. Like adam and eve. How did people know about it. That question was answered by VK. God told someone to write it down. But how do we really know God told him to write it down. What makes him believable? the only really questionable stories of the Bible would be Adam and Eve and Noah's ark, since they took place so early in civilized history. however, Noah's Ark is a story extremely similar to other stories found in ancient babylonian texts. there are three sources (including the Bible) which describe an enormous flood and one man with many animals and a boat. i watched a discovery channel special on it (better than nothing) and the "epic of gilgamesh" (oldest known literature on earth) has parts that share similarties to the flood story. however there are numerous flood stories from ancient civilizations. the adam and eve story also shares similarties to other ancient stories. it's not too hard to believe the stories of Abraham or the Tower of Babel though. I think I saw somthing on the news a couple weeks ago and some guys are pretty sure they found the ark.... More news to come after testing...
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 01:21
No the events and circumstances of the Bible are not "made up". We have more documents about the Roman age than any other period of history (except for the last couple hundred years, I mean ancient history) and they're not all from a Christian point of view nor reference. Im not refering about Jesus not being real. I won't deny that. But I can't help but question alot of stories that are in the Bible which seem rather fictional. Like adam and eve. How did people know about it. That question was answered by VK. God told someone to write it down. But how do we really know God told him to write it down. What makes him believable? the only really questionable stories of the Bible would be Adam and Eve and Noah's ark, since they took place so early in civilized history. however, Noah's Ark is a story extremely similar to other stories found in ancient babylonian texts. there are three sources (including the Bible) which describe an enormous flood and one man with many animals and a boat. i watched a discovery channel special on it (better than nothing) and the "epic of gilgamesh" (oldest known literature on earth) has parts that share similarties to the flood story. however there are numerous flood stories from ancient civilizations. the adam and eve story also shares similarties to other ancient stories. it's not too hard to believe the stories of Abraham or the Tower of Babel though. I think I saw somthing on the news a couple weeks ago and some guys are pretty sure they found the ark.... More news to come after testing... I saw that too. I can't wait to hear the doubters claiming it's anything but the ark. I love the news!
AllisterFiendSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 01:25
No way Noah's Ark was real. No possible way he collected 2 of every animal in the world... :roll:
Rocker KidSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 01:44
No way Noah's Ark was real. No possible way he collected 2 of every animal in the world... :roll: There were only a select few anaimals he actually took and there were millions of un discovered species, the whole world wasn't flooded only certain places I think only where humans lived which was not the whole world... I was watching the Discovery Channel and it was all very possible... it's all in other books which animals he took and stuff.....
AllisterFiendSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 02:06
No way Noah's Ark was real. No possible way he collected 2 of every animal in the world... :roll: There were only a select few anaimals he actually took and there were millions of un discovered species, the whole world wasn't flooded only certain places I think only where humans lived which was not the whole world... I was watching the Discovery Channel and it was all very possible... it's all in other books which animals he took and stuff..... Yep, I believe that certain parts may of happend. But not how the bible says it does... :?
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 02:19
No way Noah's Ark was real. No possible way he collected 2 of every animal in the world... :roll: There were only a select few anaimals he actually took and there were millions of un discovered species, the whole world wasn't flooded only certain places I think only where humans lived which was not the whole world... I was watching the Discovery Channel and it was all very possible... it's all in other books which animals he took and stuff..... Yep. Allister, the Discovery Channel shit is based on the Bible. SO how can one be right yet the other wrong when they're both the same?
Rocker KidSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 02:21
Who knows....
AllisterFiendSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 02:21
No way Noah's Ark was real. No possible way he collected 2 of every animal in the world... :roll: There were only a select few anaimals he actually took and there were millions of un discovered species, the whole world wasn't flooded only certain places I think only where humans lived which was not the whole world... I was watching the Discovery Channel and it was all very possible... it's all in other books which animals he took and stuff..... Yep. Allister, the Discovery Channel shit is based on the Bible. SO how can one be right yet the other wrong when they're both the same? That's not what I'm talking about. I believe the flood happend. But not that engulfed the entire world.
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 02:24
No way Noah's Ark was real. No possible way he collected 2 of every animal in the world... :roll: There were only a select few anaimals he actually took and there were millions of un discovered species, the whole world wasn't flooded only certain places I think only where humans lived which was not the whole world... I was watching the Discovery Channel and it was all very possible... it's all in other books which animals he took and stuff..... Yep. Allister, the Discovery Channel shit is based on the Bible. SO how can one be right yet the other wrong when they're both the same? That's not what I'm talking about. I believe the flood happend. But not that engulfed the entire world. I know what you're saying. It just didn't happen the way the Bible said right? What im posing to you my dear friend is how would you believe the Discovery channel. It's giving proof that what the Bible said was true. It showed how it was possible. The idea of a flood came from the Bible. No one just came up with it out of no where. So again, how would you believe the dicovery channel yet not the Bible?
QuackersSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 07:00
No the events and circumstances of the Bible are not "made up". We have more documents about the Roman age than any other period of history (except for the last couple hundred years, I mean ancient history) and they're not all from a Christian point of view nor reference. Im not refering about Jesus not being real. I won't deny that. But I can't help but question alot of stories that are in the Bible which seem rather fictional. Like adam and eve. How did people know about it. That question was answered by VK. God told someone to write it down. But how do we really know God told him to write it down. What makes him believable? the only really questionable stories of the Bible would be Adam and Eve and Noah's ark, since they took place so early in civilized history. however, Noah's Ark is a story extremely similar to other stories found in ancient babylonian texts. there are three sources (including the Bible) which describe an enormous flood and one man with many animals and a boat. i watched a discovery channel special on it (better than nothing) and the "epic of gilgamesh" (oldest known literature on earth) has parts that share similarties to the flood story. however there are numerous flood stories from ancient civilizations. the adam and eve story also shares similarties to other ancient stories. it's not too hard to believe the stories of Abraham or the Tower of Babel though. You consider Mary getting pregant whilst still a virgin and Jesus feeding thousands of people from a single fish likey to happen? And whoever said the stuff about encouraged to love God ect, I didnt mean that , by 'The Fear Of God' I ment the fear of going to hell when you die. And whoever said the shit about Islam being a violent religion is an idiot. Its a select few fanatics that get involved in terrorism, or endorse it. Just like you get deranged Christian cults (West-boro baptist church ect). Fanatics who use religion as an excuse to channel their hate.
tgd_02Salvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 09:02
bow to Jebus!
Uh ohSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 09:26
No the events and circumstances of the Bible are not "made up". We have more documents about the Roman age than any other period of history (except for the last couple hundred years, I mean ancient history) and they're not all from a Christian point of view nor reference. Im not refering about Jesus not being real. I won't deny that. But I can't help but question alot of stories that are in the Bible which seem rather fictional. Like adam and eve. How did people know about it. That question was answered by VK. God told someone to write it down. But how do we really know God told him to write it down. What makes him believable? the only really questionable stories of the Bible would be Adam and Eve and Noah's ark, since they took place so early in civilized history. however, Noah's Ark is a story extremely similar to other stories found in ancient babylonian texts. there are three sources (including the Bible) which describe an enormous flood and one man with many animals and a boat. i watched a discovery channel special on it (better than nothing) and the "epic of gilgamesh" (oldest known literature on earth) has parts that share similarties to the flood story. however there are numerous flood stories from ancient civilizations. the adam and eve story also shares similarties to other ancient stories. it's not too hard to believe the stories of Abraham or the Tower of Babel though. You consider Mary getting pregant whilst still a virgin and Jesus feeding thousands of people from a single fish likey to happen? And whoever said the stuff about encouraged to love God ect, I didnt mean that , by 'The Fear Of God' I ment the fear of going to hell when you die. And whoever said the shit about Islam being a violent religion is an idiot. Its a select few fanatics that get involved in terrorism, or endorse it. Just like you get deranged Christian cults (West-boro baptist church ect). Fanatics who use religion as an excuse to channel their hate. disputing the fact that Jesus ever existed is not too easy to do. you may say "well all we have is the Bible, and everyone knows the Bible is one book written by some guy and everyone believed it." where you would be horribly wrong, as the gospels are four different peoples writings on the life of Jesus as they knew it. there are also many other gospels or ancient writings that testify to the existence of Jesus but they however are not in the Bible, there are other things i can list but let us get to the point. the historical authenticity of adam & eve and noahs ark are the most questionable of the Bible, there is an actual town of Bethlehem and such where Jesus was born, but we can not pin point where the Garden of Eden was, this is what i meant by questionable. your views on impossible occurences within the Bible that highten your disbelief is not what i am reffering to.
QuackersSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 09:49
I never denied the existance of Jesus, just the way he was concieved. Either Josepth sampled the goods before buying, or Mary was abit of a slut in my opinion. Fair enough, the bible was supposedly written by four people, but theres no proof that they wernt paid to do it, or that they wernt all brainwashed/mad.
Uh ohSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 16:31
no, the bible wasn't written by four people, many people were a part of it. four different people wrote the "gospels" (good news) of Jesus Christ. the first four books of the New Testament are the "Gospel According To"... Matthew/Mark/Luke/John. the term Bible means books in Greek i believe, there are 66 books of the Bible, the author's of some are obvious while the authors of others are debated. the Bible is a collection of many independent writings.
OverlordSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 17:49
Listen your "Bible" the result of selection of 2000 years of Catholic intervention. Go by a book called "Lost Christianities" by Bart Ehrman and read all the things the organized religion threw out over the years. Some of the new findings such as "The Judas Gospel" will blow your mind. Open your mind people. It's amazing to see the way the texts were altered and changed over the years. Adam and Eve were passed along in the oral tradition of the Jews right? Most of the Old Testament books were put together in the reign of King Solomon right? Also, the flood is real. Science has already established that it didn't rain for quite a while on earth (like a thousand years) in order to create the water table and when it finally did rain to flooded a significant part of the earth. This is easliy proven by the sedimentary layers found on all dry land from soil sample of that geologic period. Now I'm not saying that Moses built an ark but some scientists claim to have found part of it, too. I guess what I'm trying to say is use reason but you can't throw everything out of the Bible any more than you can throw away any other religion. Those stories originated somewhere and they may be true in certain contexts. What about Methusalah, who live supposedly 900+ years? Analyzing DNA some scientist believe we used to live long than we do now. It's facinating stuff...
Uh ohSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 18:47
Listen your "Bible" the result of selection of 2000 years of Catholic intervention. Go by a book called "Lost Christianities" by Bart Ehrman and read all the things the organized religion threw out over the years. Some of the new findings such as "The Judas Gospel" will blow your mind. Open your mind people. It's amazing to see the way the texts were altered and changed over the years. don't think i'm unaware of the history of the Bible. i know enough about language translations, the "lost books", and why what books were chosen. extremely devoted biblical scholars would read the original texts in their original language and i plan to do this later on. along with understanding why what books were chosen and at least knowing a good amount about the "lost books". with what is presented in the King James Version i have not found anything that requires immediate questioning, excluding the constant claims of inconsistencies and contradictions and what have you.
AllisterFiendSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 18:47
No way Noah's Ark was real. No possible way he collected 2 of every animal in the world... :roll: There were only a select few anaimals he actually took and there were millions of un discovered species, the whole world wasn't flooded only certain places I think only where humans lived which was not the whole world... I was watching the Discovery Channel and it was all very possible... it's all in other books which animals he took and stuff..... Yep. Allister, the Discovery Channel shit is based on the Bible. SO how can one be right yet the other wrong when they're both the same? That's not what I'm talking about. I believe the flood happend. But not that engulfed the entire world. I know what you're saying. It just didn't happen the way the Bible said right? What im posing to you my dear friend is how would you believe the Discovery channel. It's giving proof that what the Bible said was true. It showed how it was possible. The idea of a flood came from the Bible. No one just came up with it out of no where. So again, how would you believe the dicovery channel yet not the Bible? Where did I mention the discovery channel... I'm just saying that I believe a large flood happend and that's what the people who wrote the bible based the story around... Not that it engulfed the entire world killing every living thing that was not on that boat. There's no way that he collected every living animal from the earth (How did he get to the remote regions of the earth to collect exotic butterflies and Komodo dragons?)... And if the story is true, wouldn't we all be inbred? And how did the animals, once the flood stopped, disperse all over the world, to different continents?
KitRaeSalvaged from archive19 Jul 2006, 19:28
Santa Claus gives every kid in the world a present during Xmas time and he seems to manage... So why wouldn't Noah be able to gather each and every animal on a boat?...In pairs?? Oh I remember...it's as fake as Santa Claus himself. Imo it's stories made up by people that wanted more people to come to church.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive20 Jul 2006, 07:01
Bottom line when your dying 99.9% of you will be praying there is a creator and begging forgiveness that is if you have the time to ponder your death. Even Carl Sagan the reknowned athiest became a thiest in the end. Many of you are young and the young are arrogant and think they are invincible. It is utter arrogance to think that humans know everything and can rule out a creator. We know an infintisimal amount about existance living on this sand grain in an endless desert. Without a creator you and everything in this Universe would simply not exist IMHO. BTW your going to Hell T.Rex. http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/Emoticon_finger.gif
Snuff.Salvaged from archive20 Jul 2006, 09:24
I am quite willing to acknowledge a creating force running through us all...it IS science, IMO. But I refuse organised religion. The crimes committed in its name, the closed-mindedness it exacerbates amongst its followers and the glaring inaccuracies in its text all count against allowing someone to dictate my beliefs to me. Simple compassion is enough to summarise my reliance upon "religious virtue." I believe in life and its divine seperation from the eternal complexities of the physical universe, I believe in the ethical behaviour dictated to me by the compassion shown by my parents and the portion of society living under these laws, learnt from the divine and gifted to all mammalian life.
QuackersSalvaged from archive20 Jul 2006, 10:03
But I refuse organised religion. The crimes committed in its name, the closed-mindedness it exacerbates amongst its followers and the glaring inaccuracies in its text all count against allowing someone to dictate my beliefs to me. I agree with all of that. Peoples beliefs are often dictated by where they were born, and who to. How many of you christians would still be christians if you were born in Saudi Arabia?
KitRaeSalvaged from archive20 Jul 2006, 10:14
That would be a lot of dead people on sharp poles then :?
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive20 Jul 2006, 13:14
there are many "experts" and "scientists" that claim that there are many logical, scientific explanations to the events and occurences to many of the stories told by the bible. The following are the only ones that i can currently list off the top of my head. - When the river ran red with blood. Scientists now think that the red coloring of the water may have been caused naturally by a disease. smallpox. when in water, smallpox generally turns it into a dark hue of red, creating the illusion of blood. - It's raining frogs!!!!. Actually any strong gale, tornado, hurricane, t-storm, etc etc can pick up small creatures and deposit them somewhere else. Even now in various parts of the world, there are reports of fish falling from the sky. - When moses parted the waters. Scientists now calculate that strong gales blowing close and parallel to the waters may have been able to part the waters not all the way, but enough to make it shallow enough for humans to cross for a short period. Then collapsing again shortly after on the pursuents. - I had a conversation with god!. There are many facilities and institutes where patients with psychological diseases claim to have similar events. - The Burning bush. some skeptists say that the burning bush could have simply have been a bush on fire, along with the echoes of voices bouncing around them, with bits of chatter here and there to create the illusion of speech. I shall cite my sources later. I am not saying that this is true, i am only repeating what i have read and heard. dont shoot the messeger.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive20 Jul 2006, 15:17
^ I remember seeing an article on Yahoo news about how Jesus walked on water. Scientists said that the river/lake he walked one could have been partially frozen, or have ice blocks in which jesus walked on. Giving the illusion that he was walking on water.
QuackersSalvaged from archive20 Jul 2006, 15:26
Thats if he ever walked on water. Theres no evidence he did.
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive20 Jul 2006, 15:28
Thats if he ever walked on water. Theres no evidence he did. what bout the bible? lol. sry that was stupid.
OverlordSalvaged from archive20 Jul 2006, 16:25
there are many "experts" and "scientists" that claim that there are many logical, scientific explanations to the events and occurences to many of the stories told by the bible. The following are the only ones that i can currently list off the top of my head. - When the river ran red with blood. Scientists now think that the red coloring of the water may have been caused naturally by a disease. smallpox. when in water, smallpox generally turns it into a dark hue of red, creating the illusion of blood. - It's raining frogs!!!!. Actually any strong gale, tornado, hurricane, t-storm, etc etc can pick up small creatures and deposit them somewhere else. Even now in various parts of the world, there are reports of fish falling from the sky. - When moses parted the waters. Scientists now calculate that strong gales blowing close and parallel to the waters may have been able to part the waters not all the way, but enough to make it shallow enough for humans to cross for a short period. Then collapsing again shortly after on the pursuents. - I had a conversation with god!. There are many facilities and institutes where patients with psychological diseases claim to have similar events. - The Burning bush. some skeptists say that the burning bush could have simply have been a bush on fire, along with the echoes of voices bouncing around them, with bits of chatter here and there to create the illusion of speech. I shall cite my sources later. I am not saying that this is true, i am only repeating what i have read and heard. dont shoot the messeger. LOL. Your statements require more belief to agree with than the original Bible versions. Come on dude, hundreds of flying frogs, disease water? Either believe or don't but this version is totally ridiciulous.
OverlordSalvaged from archive20 Jul 2006, 16:28
I am quite willing to acknowledge a creating force running through us all...it IS science, IMO. But I refuse organised religion. The crimes committed in its name, the closed-mindedness it exacerbates amongst its followers and the glaring inaccuracies in its text all count against allowing someone to dictate my beliefs to me. Simple compassion is enough to summarise my reliance upon "religious virtue." I believe in life and its divine seperation from the eternal complexities of the physical universe, I believe in the ethical behaviour dictated to me by the compassion shown by my parents and the portion of society living under these laws, learnt from the divine and gifted to all mammalian life. Agree mostly but disagree with the last paragraph. In nature, mammalian life is anything but compassionate and society is not compassionate (wars, justice, mental illness, etc). Either instinct or deeper conscienceness gives us compassion and love in my opinion. Were we all animals we would devour each other and not care about the consequences.
QuackersSalvaged from archive20 Jul 2006, 16:51
Religion is hate, Religion is fear, Religion is war, Religion is rape, Religion's obscene, Religion's a whore.
OverlordSalvaged from archive20 Jul 2006, 17:13
Religion is hate, Religion is fear, Religion is war, Religion is rape, Religion's obscene, Religion's a whore. Religion is man-made. Religion is outside of God not part of him. Religion is man's attempt to legalize God. Religion is an idol instead of true belief.
Uh ohSalvaged from archive20 Jul 2006, 23:41
Religion is hate, Religion is fear, Religion is war, Religion is rape, Religion's obscene, Religion's a whore. you are being controversial and outspoken! this makes your views much more interesting, intense, and obviously based on fact, since you obviously included no bias! your post was very useless, it was a different way of saying you are disgusted by the idea of religion. also, by saying "is" you are stating absolutes and i believe that you sincerely mean what you say. however, the human mind is a proud thing. now what most people do not realize is that ancient history and modern history are not documented the same, nor are they studied in the same light! wow! evidence for modern events is extremely easier to collect than for events that happened thousands of years ago, who would have thought? the technology of modern times has improved our ability to retain the information we create throughout the years. hundreds of years ago this was barely possible to achieve effectively.
Rocker KidSalvaged from archive20 Jul 2006, 23:45
Religion is hate, Religion is fear, Religion is war, Religion is rape, Religion's obscene, Religion's a whore. You said you wished you believed in god.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive21 Jul 2006, 00:29
Religion is hate, Religion is fear, Religion is war, Religion is rape, Religion's obscene, Religion's a whore. Humans are hate. Humans are fear. Humans are war. Humans are rape. Humans are obscence. Humans are whores. :roll:
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive21 Jul 2006, 00:37
Religion is hate, Religion is fear, Religion is war, Religion is rape, Religion's obscene, Religion's a whore. Actually most religions preach love, peace, joy, and other things. But there are a few people who twist religion into hate.
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive21 Jul 2006, 11:37
there are many "experts" and "scientists" that claim that there are many logical, scientific explanations to the events and occurences to many of the stories told by the bible. The following are the only ones that i can currently list off the top of my head. - When the river ran red with blood. Scientists now think that the red coloring of the water may have been caused naturally by a disease. smallpox. when in water, smallpox generally turns it into a dark hue of red, creating the illusion of blood. - It's raining frogs!!!!. Actually any strong gale, tornado, hurricane, t-storm, etc etc can pick up small creatures and deposit them somewhere else. Even now in various parts of the world, there are reports of fish falling from the sky. - When moses parted the waters. Scientists now calculate that strong gales blowing close and parallel to the waters may have been able to part the waters not all the way, but enough to make it shallow enough for humans to cross for a short period. Then collapsing again shortly after on the pursuents. - I had a conversation with god!. There are many facilities and institutes where patients with psychological diseases claim to have similar events. - The Burning bush. some skeptists say that the burning bush could have simply have been a bush on fire, along with the echoes of voices bouncing around them, with bits of chatter here and there to create the illusion of speech. I shall cite my sources later. I am not saying that this is true, i am only repeating what i have read and heard. dont shoot the messeger. LOL. Your statements require more belief to agree with than the original Bible versions. Come on dude, hundreds of flying frogs, disease water? Either believe or don't but this version is totally ridiciulous. im not sure how you can say that its more believable that a river suddenly turned into blood, than to say it was smallpox.... :? perhaps an explanation?
tgd_02Salvaged from archive21 Jul 2006, 13:21
Religion is hate, Religion is fear, Religion is war, Religion is rape, Religion's obscene, Religion's a whore. wen u study religions and human nature, youll think otherwise
Uh ohSalvaged from archive22 Jul 2006, 16:08
i think i can see why those were said. religion is hate: religion can fuel hate against certain peoples, based on people claiming to be religious while practising hate. religion is fear: you either fear the consequences of death (or other things) or are in fear of whichever deity you worship. religion is war: religion has been a reason for many wars in history. religion is rape: catholic priests maybe? maybe religion raping the mind of people? religion's obscene: how can any logical, intelligent, rational person think religion is an actual answer to anything? it is utter idiocy. religion's a whore: i think this is just more of a derogatory term towards religion, i can't conclude any prostitute like activities by what we call religion. i guess religion requires some of your personal sacrifice for its own selfish benefit. now what i am saying is not fact, but views.
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive22 Jul 2006, 16:34
religion is a plague amongst mankind. atheism is the cure. = D. or w/e you wanna think....
.:FIZZY:.Salvaged from archive23 Jul 2006, 01:48
personally i think that religion was the first form of strict law, making it so that society can flow in a straight way and not cave in on itself. but some guy said hey why should we follow these rules, and thus a religious book with all of these stories was created to re-enforce the reason why the rules should be followed.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive23 Jul 2006, 05:53
religion is a plague amongst mankind. atheism is the cure. = D. or w/e you wanna think.... Yeah but what happens when you die and go to Hell/The Abyss because of your cure? http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/emoticon_transfo… Geuss you'll say "whooooooppppssAHHHHHHYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHH" Forever.
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 07:26
religion is a plague amongst mankind. atheism is the cure. = D. or w/e you wanna think.... Yeah but what happens when you die and go to Hell/The Abyss because of your cure? http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/emoticon_transfo… Geuss you'll say "whooooooppppssAHHHHHHYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHH" Forever. thats based on the naive assumption that hell actually exists. pardon me for saying that it doesnt.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 07:34
religion is a plague amongst mankind. atheism is the cure. = D. or w/e you wanna think.... Yeah but what happens when you die and go to Hell/The Abyss because of your cure? http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/emoticon_transfo… Geuss you'll say "whooooooppppssAHHHHHHYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHH" Forever. thats based on the naive assumption that hell actually exists. pardon me for saying that it doesnt. I'll pardon you for saying in your opinion it doesn't. I'll also pardon your "naive" assumption that there is no afterlife.
OverlordSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 10:04
im not sure how you can say that its more believable that a river suddenly turned into blood, than to say it was smallpox.... :? perhaps an explanation? A river suddenly filling with blood from smallpox is as irrational as saying it turned to blood is my point. It take as much faith in miracles as it would in science to believe in either outcome.
OverlordSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 10:06
religion is a plague amongst mankind. atheism is the cure. = D. or w/e you wanna think.... Since when has belief in God been "cured". It is literally part of our genetic makeup and all your rationalizations about it will not change the fact that you are hardwired to believe in something greater than yourself, be it government, science, religion, etc. You can't "cure" your genetic makeup. At least not yet.
Snuff.Salvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 10:08
Cheesemuffin: you've become confused. :) The scientific explanation for the Nile turning red was an algae bloom. It can happen: there was a recent satellite picture of a river in Iraq glowing red. Naturally everybody went off on a religious tangent until someone stepped in with the algae explanation and shut them all down. I'm guessing wherever you got your source from tried to tie in the plague with the rivers turning red. Maybe there was a deeper exlanation in that the algae killed the fish and decreased sanitation resulting in the steady spread of smallpox...but that's stretching it a bit. But the classical scientific explanation is algae, as I understand it.
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 10:11
religion is a plague amongst mankind. atheism is the cure. = D. or w/e you wanna think.... Yeah but what happens when you die and go to Hell/The Abyss because of your cure? http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/emoticon_transfo… Geuss you'll say "whooooooppppssAHHHHHHYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHH" Forever. thats based on the naive assumption that hell actually exists. pardon me for saying that it doesnt. Well i'd play it safe. Id rather be wrong and say that there is a God and there be nothing at the end. Then walk around so sure of myself that there is no God and be wrong at the end. Im just trying to e smart about this whole thing. Why risk eternal damnation when you dont have to?
Snuff.Salvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 10:14
I'm by no means a religious scholar, but didn't Moses tell the Israelites ('twas the Israelites, wasn't it?) not to worship idols? And couldn't organized religion be abstracted to idolitry in and of itself? How you lead your life should determine your proposed "judgement", not whether you accept "one true god" or stick to a certain context of belief regardless of your social environment. 2c.
OverlordSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 10:37
thats based on the naive assumption that hell actually exists. pardon me for saying that it doesnt. Well i'd play it safe. Id rather be wrong and say that there is a God and there be nothing at the end. Then walk around so sure of myself that there is no God and be wrong at the end. Im just trying to e smart about this whole thing. Why risk eternal damnation when you dont have to? As I've said before this is the "better safe than sorry" version of religion and it's total bullshit because if your omnipotent, omnipresent creator God knows you basically believed in them because you were too lazy to try to actually find truth on your own and you didn't want to stand up for what you really believe then you're just fooling yourself that you're safe. Seriously grow a pair of balls and believe in something or don't. But don't just be lazy and scratch your head like a monkey and say "who knows but I'd rather pay lip services than be sorry later". If you're content to bullshit yourself and I can see it, then why would you try to bullshit a God that's 1000x more intelligent than you?
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 10:55
thats based on the naive assumption that hell actually exists. pardon me for saying that it doesnt. Well i'd play it safe. Id rather be wrong and say that there is a God and there be nothing at the end. Then walk around so sure of myself that there is no God and be wrong at the end. Im just trying to e smart about this whole thing. Why risk eternal damnation when you dont have to? As I've said before this is the "better safe than sorry" version of religion and it's total bullshit because if your omnipotent, omnipresent creator God knows you basically believed in them because you were too lazy to try to actually find truth on your own and you didn't want to stand up for what you really believe then you're just fooling yourself that you're safe. Seriously grow a pair of balls and believe in something or don't. But don't just be lazy and scratch your head like a monkey and say "who knows but I'd rather pay lip services than be sorry later". If you're content to bullshit yourself and I can see it, then why would you try to bullshit a God that's 1000x more intelligent than you? Wow you really enjoy making personal insults out of nothing don't you? To me it's a damn good reason to START believing in God. Thats one of the reasons I believe in Him but not the only one. Don't try to tell me about my faith based on 2 or 3 sentences you don't know anything about me or what I believe in so you shouldn't be so quick to judge. I was giving the penguin a damn good reason to start belieing in something rather than claiming that he is for sure that there is no God. Cause hes not sure and if he says he is he's a liar. Next time you make a personal ASSUMPTION about someone reguarding their faith you better make damn sure you know what you're talking about sir.
OverlordSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 12:46
Wow you really enjoy making personal insults out of nothing don't you? To me it's a damn good reason to START believing in God. Thats one of the reasons I believe in Him but not the only one. Don't try to tell me about my faith based on 2 or 3 sentences you don't know anything about me or what I believe in so you shouldn't be so quick to judge. I was giving the penguin a damn good reason to start belieing in something rather than claiming that he is for sure that there is no God. Cause hes not sure and if he says he is he's a liar. Next time you make a personal ASSUMPTION about someone reguarding their faith you better make damn sure you know what you're talking about sir. Oh I'm sorry, I meant to say fuck you.
OverlordSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 12:46
Flametrolling bitch.
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 12:56
im not sure how you can say that its more believable that a river suddenly turned into blood, than to say it was smallpox.... :? perhaps an explanation? A river suddenly filling with blood from smallpox is as irrational as saying it turned to blood is my point. It take as much faith in miracles as it would in science to believe in either outcome. oh no no, you miss the point friend. the idea, is that these events could have happened through natural causes rather that miracles. and i didnt say yes, smallpox does spread that fast through water. Flametrolling bitch. LMAO. you know what, we agree on lots of things aside from the religion/belief mumbo jumbo.
OverlordSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 13:54
Flametrolling bitch. LMAO. you know what, we agree on lots of things aside from the religion/belief mumbo jumbo. Yeah I've had enough of her shit. I'm going to give a large heaping helping of her own medicine for a while. I've made it my new goal for the time being.
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 14:01
Flametrolling bitch. LMAO. you know what, we agree on lots of things aside from the religion/belief mumbo jumbo. Yeah I've had enough of her shit. I'm going to give a large heaping helping of her own medicine for a while. I've made it my new goal for the time being. you're just as pathetic as you claim I am. Get over it you fucking turd, you're not the savior of the forum, let people defend themselves. They're big boys and girls, they can handle it. Let it go, cause you're sounding crazy.Perhaps you should get a job rather than stalking my ass around the forum, psycho.
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 14:05
Flametrolling bitch. LMAO. you know what, we agree on lots of things aside from the religion/belief mumbo jumbo. Yeah I've had enough of her shit. I'm going to give a large heaping helping of her own medicine for a while. I've made it my new goal for the time being. you're just as pathetic as you claim I am. Get over it you fucking turd, you're not the savior of the forum, let people defend themselves. They're big boys and girls, they can handle it. Let it go, cause you're sounding crazy.Perhaps you should get a job rather than stalking my ass around the forum, psycho. yeah. you are a big girl. a REALLY big girl if you catch my drift. :wink:
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 14:10
Flametrolling bitch. LMAO. you know what, we agree on lots of things aside from the religion/belief mumbo jumbo. Yeah I've had enough of her shit. I'm going to give a large heaping helping of her own medicine for a while. I've made it my new goal for the time being. you're just as pathetic as you claim I am. Get over it you fucking turd, you're not the savior of the forum, let people defend themselves. They're big boys and girls, they can handle it. Let it go, cause you're sounding crazy.Perhaps you should get a job rather than stalking my ass around the forum, psycho. yeah. you are a big girl. a REALLY big girl if you catch my drift. :wink: You're so pointless.
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 14:13
Flametrolling bitch. LMAO. you know what, we agree on lots of things aside from the religion/belief mumbo jumbo. Yeah I've had enough of her shit. I'm going to give a large heaping helping of her own medicine for a while. I've made it my new goal for the time being. you're just as pathetic as you claim I am. Get over it you fucking turd, you're not the savior of the forum, let people defend themselves. They're big boys and girls, they can handle it. Let it go, cause you're sounding crazy.Perhaps you should get a job rather than stalking my ass around the forum, psycho. yeah. you are a big girl. a REALLY big girl if you catch my drift. :wink: You're so pointless. good comeback.
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 14:15
Flametrolling bitch. LMAO. you know what, we agree on lots of things aside from the religion/belief mumbo jumbo. Yeah I've had enough of her shit. I'm going to give a large heaping helping of her own medicine for a while. I've made it my new goal for the time being. you're just as pathetic as you claim I am. Get over it you fucking turd, you're not the savior of the forum, let people defend themselves. They're big boys and girls, they can handle it. Let it go, cause you're sounding crazy.Perhaps you should get a job rather than stalking my ass around the forum, psycho. yeah. you are a big girl. a REALLY big girl if you catch my drift. :wink: You're so pointless. good comeback. Its accurate though, you dont always have to call someone a stupid piece of garbage to get the point across. You're a waste of time you don't even have any relevency to your posts, its just.....pointless. Very simple for a simple boy.
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 14:23
Flametrolling bitch. LMAO. you know what, we agree on lots of things aside from the religion/belief mumbo jumbo. Yeah I've had enough of her shit. I'm going to give a large heaping helping of her own medicine for a while. I've made it my new goal for the time being. you're just as pathetic as you claim I am. Get over it you fucking turd, you're not the savior of the forum, let people defend themselves. They're big boys and girls, they can handle it. Let it go, cause you're sounding crazy.Perhaps you should get a job rather than stalking my ass around the forum, psycho. yeah. you are a big girl. a REALLY big girl if you catch my drift. :wink: You're so pointless. good comeback. Its accurate though, you dont always have to call someone a stupid piece of garbage to get the point across. You're a waste of time you don't even have any relevency to your posts, its just.....pointless. Very simple for a simple boy. and you dont post garbage? you views ARE garbage. simple, naive, views for a fatass nigger.
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 14:35
Flametrolling bitch. LMAO. you know what, we agree on lots of things aside from the religion/belief mumbo jumbo. Yeah I've had enough of her shit. I'm going to give a large heaping helping of her own medicine for a while. I've made it my new goal for the time being. you're just as pathetic as you claim I am. Get over it you fucking turd, you're not the savior of the forum, let people defend themselves. They're big boys and girls, they can handle it. Let it go, cause you're sounding crazy.Perhaps you should get a job rather than stalking my ass around the forum, psycho. yeah. you are a big girl. a REALLY big girl if you catch my drift. :wink: You're so pointless. good comeback. Its accurate though, you dont always have to call someone a stupid piece of garbage to get the point across. You're a waste of time you don't even have any relevency to your posts, its just.....pointless. Very simple for a simple boy. and you dont post garbage? you views ARE garbage. simple, naive, views for a fatass #!&*$+Â£. I dont just post that someone is oh lets say a fucking piece of shit. My insults have meaning to them, your's....hmm just there are no words for it. It's just that baffling. You simply flame when you dont get what you want, at least I try to be a bit more logical. But this is where we differ even more. We don't like each other, well i don't even know you not to like you. What do you do about it, you go fucking crazy with flames and rants and blah blah blah. This is what i'm going to do, i'm just not going to acknowledge you. That's what grown ups do. I would love to know what you called me behind all those characters. Just shows a little more the idiot I was dealing with. As of now though, you no longer exist. I'd advise you to follow suit. Otherwise, you're just ranting to no one.
tgd_02Salvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 14:36
MOTHAT FUCKING........................................... ...................................... PANTYSHOT !
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 18:00
OVERLOAD, PENGUIN BOY, I can sum this up for both of you.. here...http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/shut_f_u.jpg . Good job cutting my pic up for your avatar Overload. You both are flaming shit eating shit spewing assholes. You can both go to Hell. I don't stoop as low as you moronic children. You fell right into that other flame thread as I predicted "Hold to confirm." . Pathetic Human Trash.
andrexoteSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 18:04
he never cut ur pic for the avatar...he used it before u knew about this place
Uh ohSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 18:14
once you personally insult someone you are debating against it shows you have no counter argument. when you resort to name calling you show very obviously that you do not have fact or evidence for your belief which is most likely either irrational or based on misinformation and quick judgements.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 18:17
he never cut ur pic for the avatar...he used it before u knew about this place Really? I used it before on many boards before I even knew about this place. :lol:
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 18:19
once you personally insult someone you are debating against it shows you have no counter argument. when you resort to name calling you show very obviously that you do not have fact or evidence for your belief which is most likely either irrational or based on misinformation and quick judgements. Hey I agree with that. :lol:
tgd_02Salvaged from archive24 Jul 2006, 20:10
ovie been having that pic, you uptight asshole teh uber internetz pics dont belong to u, my little tool
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive25 Jul 2006, 07:41
Pathetic Human Trash. YOU HAVE BLOOD DRIPPING IN YOUR AVATAR AND YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF YOUR MOM AS AN AVATAR. and yet you call me trash? lol. i beg to differ. :roll:
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive25 Jul 2006, 09:00
Pathetic Human Trash. YOU HAVE BLOOD DRIPPING IN YOUR AVATAR AND YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF YOUR MOM AS AN AVATAR. and yet you call me trash? lol. i beg to differ. :roll: That's the best you could do? You can't even flame properly. Go back to a-wacking to your downloaded brown hole porn. :wink:
OverlordSalvaged from archive25 Jul 2006, 09:56
I've been using that pic for years turdstick. But I'll take the initiative and inform you that contrary to your personal belief, the world does not revolve around you. Neither have I ever met you anywhere else before your smelly corpse arrived here in all it's flaming glory a couple months ago. Oh and VK I can stalk anyone I want. Don't flatter yourself.
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive25 Jul 2006, 11:13
Pathetic Human Trash. YOU HAVE BLOOD DRIPPING IN YOUR AVATAR AND YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF YOUR MOM AS AN AVATAR. and yet you call me trash? lol. i beg to differ. :roll: That's the best you could do? You can't even flame properly. Go back to a-wacking to your downloaded brown hole porn. :wink: im not even sure how you can put together that last insult together w/o having a slightly twisted mind. :o
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive25 Jul 2006, 18:56
I've been using that pic for years turdstick. But I'll take the initiative and inform you that contrary to your personal belief, the world does not revolve around you. Neither have I ever met you anywhere else before your smelly corpse arrived here in all it's flaming glory a couple months ago. Oh and VK I can stalk anyone I want. Don't flatter yourself. Right the world revovles around you doesn't it. :roll:
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive25 Jul 2006, 18:57
im not even sure how you can put together that last insult together w/o having a slightly twisted mind. :o Well you certainly put it together didn't you. LMFAOROFL :lol: :twisted:
OverlordSalvaged from archive26 Jul 2006, 08:47
Right the world revovles around you doesn't it. :roll: Smaller planetary bodies tend to orbit larger ones so relatively speaking I guess that does make sense from your perspective doesn't it?
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive26 Jul 2006, 08:55
Right the world revovles around you doesn't it. :roll: Smaller planetary bodies tend to orbit larger ones so relatively speaking I guess that does make sense from your perspective doesn't it? Except we aren't a solar system and you would have ZERO gravity to attract any object. Even if it were you would be a bloated gas giant enternally "farting" into the gulf of space hoping to draw in another planetary body.. :lol:
OverlordSalvaged from archive26 Jul 2006, 09:04
I drew in you didn't I?
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive26 Jul 2006, 09:06
I drew in you didn't I? Nope some of your gas floated my way and I smelled you. :roll:
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive26 Jul 2006, 13:17
I drew in you didn't I? Nope some of your gas floated my way and I smelled you. :roll: well this thread went off topic fast. lol
cheese muffinSalvaged from archive28 Jul 2006, 15:25
In a few thousand years time someone will find a copy of Lord Of The Rings, and we'll all be Worshipping Gandalf as a new deity. ROFL, all hail the one ring!!!
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive28 Jul 2006, 16:44
Wow you really enjoy making personal insults out of nothing don't you? To me it's a damn good reason to START believing in God. Thats one of the reasons I believe in Him but not the only one. Don't try to tell me about my faith based on 2 or 3 sentences you don't know anything about me or what I believe in so you shouldn't be so quick to judge. I was giving the penguin a damn good reason to start belieing in something rather than claiming that he is for sure that there is no God. Cause hes not sure and if he says he is he's a liar. Next time you make a personal ASSUMPTION about someone reguarding their faith you better make damn sure you know what you're talking about sir. Oh I'm sorry, I meant to say fuck you. Here's where it got derailed.
Red/YellowSalvaged from archive12 Aug 2006, 12:07
Christianity is dying, it is an old religion and has been slowly losing influence. The reason it is happening so slowly involves the lack of any extreme destructive force to destroy it. Many of the forms of paganism were destroyed by the Romans and replaced with it's own version, Zoroastranism was removed with the Arabic invasion; the removal of the last natives of the middle-east. Judaism is in a similar nature to Christianity, it is widely accepted amongst prominately atheist and Christian societies. Since the Irish republican army was disarmed, there hasn't been any known conflicts between the different sects of Christianity. Islam, however has had plenty of internal conflicts, the constant alienation and murder of kurdish muslims and now there is a widening gap between Shhite and Sunni sects. This leads me to believe that Islam will fall relatively quickly due to the internal and external pressure (from forces such as Israel and America). Despite the internal differences in Christianity becoming almost irrelevent (in the view of a lot of Christians), the overall influence of the church -to whom are aware of it- is declining rapidly. Reserved for the latest census results that will be published soon (from Australia, the cenus was done on Tuesday), in order to show the falling influence of christianity in Australia. Edit: Right the world revovles around you doesn't it. :roll: Smaller planetary bodies tend to orbit larger ones so relatively speaking I guess that does make sense from your perspective doesn't it? Except we aren't a solar system and you would have ZERO gravity to attract any object. Even if it were you would be a bloated gas giant enternally "farting" into the gulf of space hoping to draw in another planetary body.. :lol: Answered using the new Evil conservative format of posting. Allegedly, everything has a gravitational, pull contrary to your opinion in my opinion. I believe that whether we are a significant astral body makes little difference on whether we have gravity or not, we still (according to the author of this post) have gravity. In my opinion your opinion is flawed, because my opinion allegedly states that your opinon doesn't believe in the possible existance of gravity. Assumably you are basing your knowledge of gravity on the solar system, but in my opinion according to that same source of information, the most likely theory (science is [in my opinion] based on the most probable situations, not necessarily on rules like religion) is that an atom might have a gravitational pull (in my opinion, that is just like the sun!) as well.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive12 Aug 2006, 17:36
http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/emoticon_zzzzzz.gif
Commando80Salvaged from archive12 Aug 2006, 18:30
http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/emoticon_zzzzzz.gif *nudge* hey buddy.. wake up! EC: huh..? What happend? you got bored man.. and fell asleep! EC: So? Well... the BK guy came around and raped you! Its all over the web now! You're pregnant with his child! EC: :http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h142/Rocker_Kid/ORLY.jpg Me:http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h142/Rocker_Kid/YARLY.jpg EC: OH NOEZ!
Commando80Salvaged from archive12 Aug 2006, 21:22
BUMP!
Jack KlompusSalvaged from archive12 Aug 2006, 21:34
BUMP! Dude, do u use like a Post-O-Matic or something?
Commando80Salvaged from archive12 Aug 2006, 21:37
Yeah I use the Post-O-Matic 3.0. Also... I didnt want to waste time thinking of that little insult to EC for nothing and have no one read it... T_T
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive12 Aug 2006, 21:58
*yawn* What's a BK guy? A Burger King employee? http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/emoticon_transfo…
AllisterFiendSalvaged from archive12 Aug 2006, 22:21
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k140/AllisterFiend_2006…
Commando80Salvaged from archive12 Aug 2006, 22:21
The Burger KING himself! Didnt you see that one vid of your clown and the BK guy getting it on? (TheCanadian posted it in the flash animation forum.)
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive12 Aug 2006, 22:38
The Burger KING himself! Didnt you see that one vid of your clown and the BK guy getting it on? (TheCanadian posted it in the flash animation forum.) I don't frequent that forum. I watched a bit into that animation then turned it off...some people really do have WAY too much time on their hands. The guy is probably terrified of IT(or was raped by a clown) and got some grisel in his BK burger so that's his way of dealing with it. I give it a -9 out of a 1 to 10 rating. http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/Emoticon_head_ba… http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/Emoticon_head_sh… http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/emoticon-dark.gif
AMERICASalvaged from archive12 Aug 2006, 22:58
the bible was written by jk rawlings's great ancestor she didnt know how to write good so its all mixed up and shit
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive13 Aug 2006, 01:39
BUMP! Are you trying to be like ballon?
Commando80Salvaged from archive13 Aug 2006, 10:49
No. Bumping a thread up doesnt mean you're baloonknott
t3hballerCSSSalvaged from archive13 Aug 2006, 18:15
Polyigmy aint that bad.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive13 Aug 2006, 23:31
Yes, but you are being annoying aswell so you're getting pretty damn near to it.
Clouds in the SkySalvaged from archive14 Aug 2006, 16:39
Bumping a thread up is not trolling...unless it's a flame thread then yes that would be trolling which is similar to what ballooknott has been doing.
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive14 Aug 2006, 19:10
We should rename this forum the "Troll Room". More appropriate yes.http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/emoticon-red.gif
AMERICASalvaged from archive15 Aug 2006, 02:30
yeeeeeehaw fuckers
rizzle_teaSalvaged from archive16 Aug 2006, 00:16
uhhh.... ima go with Darwin on this one! all im saying is...... Darwin's theorys can be backed up with some facts. how the hell is a man going to make a woman out of a rib?, i bet i could make something cooler out of a rib, and it wouldnt bitch. unless.....an alien came to earth and fucked a monkey, cuz we are kinda like a cross betwene a monkey and an alien if you think about it.haha
Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive16 Aug 2006, 00:40
unless.....an alien came to earth and fucked a monkey, cuz we are kinda like a cross betwene a monkey and an alien if you think about it.haha We got you don't we? BUWAHAHAHWAH http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/o/pott2613/WTF/emoticon_flaming…
Clouds in the SkySalvaged from archive7 Feb 2007, 05:47
I wonder who was really the monkey between the two...

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