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101 Contradictions in the Bible

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  1. cheese muffinSalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 13:44
    in response to VK's most recent flaming post in the thread titled "God" I find it strange that you're replying to one of my posts and have said nothing about it. Jehova's Witness don't hand out the Bible, God you know nothing of religion do you? Yet here you are, posting like you know something, why don't you try reading that Bible, finding contradictions and bringing them up rather than pulling anti-religious statements out of your ass without reason. I present to you: 101 Contradictions in the Bible(yes i have read all of them) Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel? (a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1) (b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1) In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel? (a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9) (b) One million, one hundred thousand (IChronicles 21:5) How many fighting men were found in Judah? (a) Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9) (b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5) God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine? (a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13) (b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12) How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem? (a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26) (b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2) How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem? (a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8) (b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9) How long did he rule over Jerusalem? (a) Three months (2 Kings 24:8) (b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9) The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time? (a) Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8) (b) Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11) When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after? (a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6) (b) Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14) How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark? (a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20) (b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9) When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture? (a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4) (b) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4) How many stalls for horses did Solomon have? (a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26) (b) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25) In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die? (a) Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8) (b) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1) How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple? (a) Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2) (b) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16) Solomon built a facility containing how many baths? (a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26) (b) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5) Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab? (a) Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6) (b) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11) How many were the children of Zattu? (a) Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8) (b) Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13) How many were the children of Azgad? (a) One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12) (b) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17) How many were the children of Adin? (a) Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15) (b) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20) How many were the children of Hashum? (a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19) (b) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22) How many were the children of Bethel and Ai? (a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28) (b) One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32) Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows: (a) 29,818 (Ezra) (b) 31,089 (Nehemiah) How many singers accompanied the assembly? (a) Two hundred (Ezra 2:65) (b) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67) What was the name of King Abijah’s mother? (a) Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2) (b) Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27) Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem? (a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40) (b) No (Joshua 15:63) Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary? (a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16) (b) Hell (Luke 3:23) Jesus descended from which son of David? (a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6) (b) Nathan(Luke3:31) Who was the father of Shealtiel? (a) Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12) (b) Neri’ (Luke 3:27) Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ? (a) Abiud (Matthew 1: 13) (b) Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway. Who was the father of Uzziah? (a) Joram (Matthew 1:8) (b) Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1) Who as the father of Jechoniah? (a) Josiah (Matthew 1:11) (b) Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16) How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ? (a) Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17) (b) But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16) Who was the father of Shelah? (a) Cainan (Luke 3:35-36) (b) Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12) Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come? (a) Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13) (b) No(John 1:19-21) Would Jesus inherit David’s throne? (a) Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32) (b) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David’s throne (Jeremiah 36:30) Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals? (a) One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). “And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.” (b) Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). “They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.” How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ? (a) By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17) (b) His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41) Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew? (a) By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22) (b) On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43) When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus’ daughter already dead? (a) Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, “My daughter has just died.” (b) No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, “My little daughter is at the point of death.” Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey? (a) Yes(Mark6:8) (b) No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3) Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist? (a) Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16) (b) No (Luke 9:9) Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism? (a) Yes (Matthew 3:13-14) (b) No (John 1:32,33) Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism? (a) Yes (John 1:32, 33) (b) No (Matthew 11:2) According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness? (a) “If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true” (John 5:3 1) (b) “Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true” (John 8:14) When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day? (a) Yes (Matthew 21:12) (b) No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17). The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once? (a) Yes. (Matthew 21:19) (b) No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20) Did Judas kiss Jesus? (a) Yes (Matthew 26:48-50) (b) No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12) What did Jesus say about Peter’s denial? (a) “The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times” (John 13:38). (b) “Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times” (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed. Did Jesus bear his own cross? (a) Yes (John 19:17) (b) No (Matthew 27:31-32) Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn? (a) Yes(Matthew27:50-5 1;MarklS:37-38) (b) No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46) Did Jesus say anything secretly? (a) No. “I have said nothing secretly” (John 18:20) (b) Yes. “He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything” (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him “Why do you speak to them in parables?” He said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given” (Matthew 13: 1 0-11) Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion? (a) On the cross (Mark 15:23) (b) In Pilate’s court (John 19:14) The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus? (a) Yes (Mark 15:32) (b) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43) Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion? (a) Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, “Today you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43) (b) No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, “I have not yet ascended to the Father” (John 20:17) When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice? (a) Yes(Acts9:7) (b) No(Acts22:9) When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground? (a) Yes (Acts 26:14) (b) No (Acts 9:7) Did the voice spell out on the spot what Paul’s duties were to be? (a) Yes (Acts 26:16-18) (b) No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10) When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague? (a) Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9) (b) Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8) How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt? (a) Seventy souls (Genesis 4&27) (b) Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14) What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus? (a) He bought a field (Acts 1: 18) (b) He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5) How did Judas die? (a) After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5) (b) After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18) Why is the field called “Field of Blood”? (a) Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:8) (b) Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19) Who is a ransom for whom? (a) “The Son of Man came...to give his life as a ransom for many” (Mark 10:45). “Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all... “(I Timothy 2:5-6) (b) “The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright” (Proverbs 21:18) Is the law of Moses useful? (a) Yes. “All scripture is... profitable...” (2 Timothy 3:16) (b) No. “. . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... “(Hebrews 7:18) What was the exact wording on the cross? (a) “This is Jesus the King of the Jews” (Matthew 27:37) (b) “The King of the Jews” (Mark 15:26) (c) “This is the King of the Jews” (Luke 23:38) (d) “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews” (John 19:19) Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist? (a) Yes (Matthew 14:5) (b) No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20) Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve? (a) Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19) (b) Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Luke’s gospel (Luke 6:12-16) Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collector’s office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name? (a) Matthew (Matthew 9:9) (b) Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27) Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after? (a) After (Mark 14:12-17) (b) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilate’s judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14) Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion? (a) Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42) (b) No. (John 12:27) In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did ‘he move away from his disciples to pray? (a) Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42) (b) One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46) Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer? (a) Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9) (b) Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42) What did the centurion say when Jesus dies? (a) “Certainly this man was innocent” (Luke 23:47) (b) “Truly this man was the Son of God” (Mark 15:39) When Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? ” in what language did he speak? (a) Hebrew: the words are “Eloi, Eloi …..“(Matthew 27:46) (b) Aramaic: the words are “Eloi, Eloi ….. “(Mark 15:34) According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died? (a) “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” (Luke 23:46) (b) "It is finished" (John 19:30). When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this? (a) Yes (Matthew 8:5) (b) No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6) (a) Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17) (b) Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5) (a) God decided that the life-span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3) (b) Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived 433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16) Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven? (a) No (John 3:13) (b) Yes. “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven” (2 Kings 2:11) Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread? (a) Abiathar (Mark 2:26) (b) Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20) Was Jesus’ body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs? (a) Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40) (b) No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices “so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus)” (Mark 16: 1) When did the women buy the spices? (a) After “the Sabbath was past” (Mark 16:1) (b) Before the Sabbath. The women “prepared spices and ointments.” Then, “on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment” (Luke 23:55 to 24:1) At what time of day did the women visit the tomb? (a) “Toward the dawn” (Matthew 28: 1) (b) “When the sun had risen” (Mark 16:2) What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb? (a) To anoint Jesus’ body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1) (b) To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1) (c) For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1) A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived? (a) They saw that the stone was “Rolled back” (Mark 16:4) They found the stone “rolled away from the tomb” (Luke 24:2) They saw that “the stone had been taken away from the tomb” (John 20:1) (b) As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6) Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus’ body? (a) Yes. “A young man in a white robe” (Mark 16:5). “Two men ... in dazzling apparel” later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote) (b) No. Mary met no one and returned saying, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him” (John 20:2) When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react? (a) Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9) (b) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus’ body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him “Teacher.” Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me...” (John 20:11 to 17) What was Jesus’ instruction for his disciples? (a) “Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me” (Matthew 2 8: 10) (b) “Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God” (John 20:17) When did the disciples return to Galilee? (a) Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee “some doubted” (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist (b) After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high” (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them “during forty days” (Acts 1:3), and “charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise ... “(Acts 1:4) To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph? (a) “To the Ishmaelites” (Genesis 37:28) (b) “To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh” (Genesis 37:36) Who brought Joseph to Egypt? (a) The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then “took Joseph to Egypt” (Genesis 37:28) (b) “The Midianites had sold him in Egypt” (Genesis 37:36) (c) Joseph said to his brothers “I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt” (Genesis 45:4) Does God change his mind? (a) Yes. “The word of the Lord came to Samuel: “I repent that I have made Saul King...” (I Samuel 15:10 to 11) (b) No. God “will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent” (I Samuel 15:29) (c) Yes. “And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel” (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions: i. “The Lord was sorry that he made man” (Genesis 6:6) “I am sorry that I have made them” (Genesis 6:7) ii. “And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people” (Exodus 32:14). iii. (Lots of other such references). The Bibl
  2. Commando80Salvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 13:56
    :shock:
  3. OverlordSalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 14:12
    yeah that was some good stuff. The old Testament is mostly the verbal history of the jews full of legends and irregularities. New testament is made up of the four gospels which were used by various sects of Christianity in the first couple centuries after Jesus' death and later unified as "Orthodox Christianity" under Constantine. Many of the gospels carry conflicting facts and variations of the same messages according to the sect that produced them. For example the Gospel of John is considered the first and possibly a Gnostic gospel where it has no parables and focuses more on the spirit than the legalism of Matthew and Mark. Anyway, this does hurt the "divine authenticity of scripture" argument does it not? So which message is the most "authentic"? Interestingly enough my belief in God does transcend the book or the religion as it must to have any meaning. Recently I re-read the Gospel of Thomas which is consider the oldest gospel to date and instead of a the life of Jesus, instead is a collection of his sayings and wisdom. Most follow the Gospels but some are totally different. I recommend it.
  4. cheese muffinSalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 14:20
    yes, part of my decision to remain an athiest was based upon this. I recently heard about a new gospel. The Gospel of Judas i believe. Anyways, it states that Judas did not betray Jesus, but instead, Jesus asked Judas to betray him so he could transcend his earthly form. (or some variation of that). The point is that there are so many versions out there that it is hard to know what to believe and what not to believe.
  5. Commando80Salvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 14:22
    You're converting others to athiesm with this stuff lol..
  6. OverlordSalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 14:30
    yes, part of my decision to remain an athiest was based upon this. I recently heard about a new gospel. The Gospel of Judas i believe. Anyways, it states that Judas did not betray Jesus, but instead, Jesus asked Judas to betray him so he could transcend his earthly form. (or some variation of that). The point is that there are so many versions out there that it is hard to know what to believe and what not to believe. Um, yes the Gospel of Judas is a Gnostic Gospel and very interesting. But seriously don't think that Jesus didn't exist because there is so much written about him and all of it is not in complete agreement. If anything all the variations show how significant and event it was and how many different cultures religions and societies were trying to understand it. Most of the differences in interpetation are due to cultural influences just like today. Its facinating but to simply shake your head and walk away is self chosen ignorance. Enter the discussion and think for yourself. The journey is worth it.
  7. Clouds in the SkySalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 14:42
    And then again, what is so bad about atheism? Free for all bitches! Go ahead, go foundle that goat you've always wanted to fondle! Slap that minster in the face. Moon a nun! Indesent exposure has never been so trendy! Fuck your brother's daughter! Shit on your neigbour's dog house! Pee in your pants while waiting in the Subway! Become a sandwich artist! Roll in relish! DO THE MONKEY!
  8. OverlordSalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 14:46
    And then again, what is so bad about atheism? Free for all bitches! Go ahead, go foundle that goat you've always wanted to fondle! Slap that minster in the face. Moon a nun! Indesent exposure has never been so trendy! Fuck your brother's daughter! Shit on your neigbour's dog house! Pee in your pants while waiting in the Subway! Become a sandwich artist! Roll in relish! DO THE MONKEY! Um. What does this accomplish? Also, I'm glad you don't live near me because I would prefer not to have shit in my yard. How did we get from contradictions in the Bible to urinating on ourselves in the subway. I don't think Canadians are getting enough air up there.
  9. cheese muffinSalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 14:46
    Um, yes the Gospel of Judas is a Gnostic Gospel and very interesting. But seriously don't think that Jesus didn't exist because there is so much written about him and all of it is not in complete agreement. If anything all the variations show how significant and event it was and how many different cultures religions and societies were trying to understand it. Most of the differences in interpetation are due to cultural influences just like today. Its facinating but to simply shake your head and walk away is self chosen ignorance. Enter the discussion and think for yourself. The journey is worth it. No no, believe me, im trying to not be ignorant. there was a time approx. 6 years ago, when i was agnostic. my friend who we shall call Jim Bob, convinced me to go with him several times, to a baptist church with him to take part in the usual church... whats the word.... "routine". After many sundays in church, nights staying awake contemplating, i decided to make a chart about each sides argument. It was quite a long chart. i still have it saved if you'd like to see it. But eventually i decided that atheism was more likely, along with evolution and science. I do believe that Jesus exists. I do not believe however, that he was the son of God. You're converting others to athiesm with this stuff lol.. yay, and my bad
  10. crazyjoeSalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 14:50
    And then again, what is so bad about atheism? Free for all bitches! Go ahead, go foundle that goat you've always wanted to fondle! Slap that minster in the face. Moon a nun! Indesent exposure has never been so trendy! Fuck your brother's daughter! Shit on your neigbour's dog house! Pee in your pants while waiting in the Subway! Become a sandwich artist! Roll in relish! DO THE MONKEY! Being an atheist doesn't mean that you do not abide by the laws :P
  11. Clouds in the SkySalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 14:50
    And then again, what is so bad about atheism? Free for all bitches! Go ahead, go foundle that goat you've always wanted to fondle! Slap that minster in the face. Moon a nun! Indesent exposure has never been so trendy! Fuck your brother's daughter! Shit on your neigbour's dog house! Pee in your pants while waiting in the Subway! Become a sandwich artist! Roll in relish! DO THE MONKEY! Um. What does this accomplish? Also, I'm glad you don't live near me because I would prefer not to have shit in my yard. How did we get from contradictions in the Bible to urinating on ourselves in the subway. I don't think Canadians are getting enough air up there. In other words, live your life freely without fear (within reasonable limits).
  12. OverlordSalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 15:08
    No no, believe me, im trying to not be ignorant. there was a time approx. 6 years ago, when i was agnostic. my friend who we shall call Jim Bob, convinced me to go with him several times, to a baptist church with him to take part in the usual church... whats the word.... "routine". After many sundays in church, nights staying awake contemplating, i decided to make a chart about each sides argument. It was quite a long chart. i still have it saved if you'd like to see it. But eventually i decided that atheism was more likely, along with evolution and science. I do believe that Jesus exists. I do not believe however, that he was the son of God. You totally missed my point. Going to church and having the group religious experience is exactly what I'm talking about NOT doing. I'm saying it's more interesting to understand why people believe what they do than simply sit back and say they're ALL crazy. Because not ALL of them are. Just most of them. 8)
  13. MerrillizerSalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 15:18
    Before the Middle Eastern religions, there was only nature and the mind. Humanity has gotten away from its roots, away from its origins and past. It now favors Middle Eastern fantasy and fables. Converting people to Atheism? No, I like to refer to it as converting people back to REALITY.
  14. Commando80Salvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 15:20
    Before the Middle Eastern religions, there was only nature and the mind. Humanity has gotten away from its roots, away from its origins and past. It now favors Middle Eastern fantasy and fables. Converting people to Atheism? No, I like to refer to it as converting people back to REALITY. Merri... I have always wondered... what the hell is that squirrel doing?
  15. cheese muffinSalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 15:31
    No no, believe me, im trying to not be ignorant. there was a time approx. 6 years ago, when i was agnostic. my friend who we shall call Jim Bob, convinced me to go with him several times, to a baptist church with him to take part in the usual church... whats the word.... "routine". After many sundays in church, nights staying awake contemplating, i decided to make a chart about each sides argument. It was quite a long chart. i still have it saved if you'd like to see it. But eventually i decided that atheism was more likely, along with evolution and science. I do believe that Jesus exists. I do not believe however, that he was the son of God. You totally missed my point. Going to church and having the group religious experience is exactly what I'm talking about NOT doing. I'm saying it's more interesting to understand why people believe what they do than simply sit back and say they're ALL crazy. Because not ALL of them are. Just most of them. 8) actually thats what i meant too. lol. guess it just wasnt in the post. whoopsies
  16. cheese muffinSalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 15:32
    Before the Middle Eastern religions, there was only nature and the mind. Humanity has gotten away from its roots, away from its origins and past. It now favors Middle Eastern fantasy and fables. Converting people to Atheism? No, I like to refer to it as converting people back to REALITY. Merri... I have always wondered... what the hell is that squirrel doing? lol, talk about random and off topic. :wink:
  17. MerrillizerSalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 15:40
    Before the Middle Eastern religions, there was only nature and the mind. Humanity has gotten away from its roots, away from its origins and past. It now favors Middle Eastern fantasy and fables. Converting people to Atheism? No, I like to refer to it as converting people back to REALITY. Merri... I have always wondered... what the hell is that squirrel doing? Squirrel? It's a skunk, not a squirrel. :lol: :lol: :lol:
  18. Clouds in the SkySalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 18:09
    It's Flower...from Bambi. He's such a metrosexual.
  19. cheese muffinSalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 19:51
    bump for VK
  20. Commando80Salvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 21:59
    Fine.. what the hell is that skunk doing? lol.
  21. .:FIZZY:.Salvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 22:56
    Fine.. what the hell is that skunk doing? lol. it looks like hes pulling the petals off of a flower
  22. MerrillizerSalvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 23:31
    She loves me...she loves me not.
  23. .:FIZZY:.Salvaged from archive27 Jul 2006, 23:53
    She loves me...she loves me not. exactly what i was thinking :D
  24. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive28 Jul 2006, 00:54
    Ya know what would be great? If you actually knew what you were talking about before you posted it. You don't even know what you'e copy and pasted. All you did was google contradictions and came up with this shit. You have no idea what you've written do you? Just stop. And the field of lood was named after Judas' bloody death. Just incase you didn't know. Which you don't you don't even know who that is do you? Just shut up you look like an idiot doing this.
  25. MerrillizerSalvaged from archive28 Jul 2006, 01:29
    Christianity sucks and should be destroyed. Get over it. It's lost all its power. People are waking up to fantasy now. It's losing it's grip. It's losing money. It's no longer the global power it once was with unbridled power. However it can still be used to indoctrinate a whole nation of people, it can be used to put the simpletons and pea brains under a spell, and it can be used to war. However, it is still losing it's power. Christianity ravaged Europe, and killed off millions and millions of people who would not accept it. You should know this, considering you're from England. Before Christianity, there were people of nature. People of reality. Druids, Norse, Heathens from the North.
  26. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive28 Jul 2006, 01:35
    Christianity sucks and should be destroyed. Get over it. It's lost all its power. People are waking up to fantasy now. It's losing it's grip. It's losing money. It's no longer the global power it once was with unbridled power. However it can still be used to indoctrinate a whole nation of people, it can be used to put the simpletons and pea brains under a spell, and it can be used to war. However, it is still losing it's power. Christianity ravaged Europe, and killed off millions and millions of people who would not accept it. You should know this, considering you're from England. Before Christianity, there were people of nature. People of reality. Druids, Norse, Heathens from the North. Im not from England dammit!!! Im an American in the UK...... :D You can think what you want at least you seem to know the reasons you disagree with it. You're not just bullshitting cause it's "cool." Well Whatever im going to believe in Christianity and not much anyone says is going to change it. This aint about me though its about the so called contradictions of the Bible.
  27. Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive28 Jul 2006, 06:10
    Christianity sucks and should be destroyed. Get over it. It's lost all its power. People are waking up to fantasy now. It's losing it's grip. It's losing money. It's no longer the global power it once was with unbridled power. However it can still be used to indoctrinate a whole nation of people, it can be used to put the simpletons and pea brains under a spell, and it can be used to war. However, it is still losing it's power. Christianity ravaged Europe, and killed off millions and millions of people who would not accept it. You should know this, considering you're from England. Before Christianity, there were people of nature. People of reality. Druids, Norse, Heathens from the North. Said like a true satanist.. :lol: Really though a member of the Church of satan would revel in your words...because they share the beliefs your posting here. :shock: :lol: Doubt me just look up the Church of satan. I believe in a Creator/God not because of the bible or religion, but because there could not be existance without something that transcends the Universe in which all things have a beginning and end. A transcendant Being/Intelligence had to start the cycle Something that had no beginning or ending a Creator that set the Universal rules down. The Bible is just one way to worship Him in a way we can comprehend with our limited minds. A way to thank Him for our existance and keep moral law in our society.
  28. cheese muffinSalvaged from archive28 Jul 2006, 07:14
    Said like a true satanist.. :lol: Really though a member of the Church of satan would revel in your words...because they share the beliefs your posting here. :shock: :lol: Doubt me just look up the Church of satan. I believe in a Creator/God not because of the bible or religion, but because there could not be existance without something that transcends the Universe in which all things have a beginning and end. A transcendant Being/Intelligence had to start the cycle Something that had no beginning or ending a Creator that set the Universal rules down. The Bible is just one way to worship Him in a way we can comprehend with our limited minds. A way to thank Him for our existance and keep moral law in our society. See this is what I like to hear EC. Nice, intelligent debate. (aside from the possible flaming in the first couple words?) :? Anyways, most scientists believe that , when it comes to creation science, that the earth, coalesced some X billion years ago. (the approx. no. escapes my head at the moment.) Then after that, through a series of unknown natural processes, that a single, microscopic, one celled organism emerged. And since then, all life has evolved from and begun.
  29. cheese muffinSalvaged from archive28 Jul 2006, 07:17
    This aint about me though its about the so called contradictions of the Bible. no ma'am, not the "so called" contradictions. "THE" Contradictions.
  30. cheese muffinSalvaged from archive28 Jul 2006, 07:19
    Ya know what would be great? If you actually knew what you were talking about before you posted it. You don't even know what you'e copy and pasted. All you did was google contradictions and came up with this shit. You have no idea what you've written do you? Just stop. And the field of lood was named after Judas' bloody death. Just incase you didn't know. Which you don't you don't even know who that is do you? Just shut up you look like an idiot doing this. Goddamnit, more flaming. Look at this whole thread. No one has flamed another yet. Not even EC. :shock: But here you are flaming me for giving you what you want. You said, " Bring up some contradictions in the bible" And i did...... i read each character of my original post. Do you just not like being proven wrong or something? :roll:
  31. Snuff.Salvaged from archive28 Jul 2006, 07:28
    Said like a true satanist.. :lol: Really though a member of the Church of satan would revel in your words...because they share the beliefs your posting here. :shock: :lol: Doubt me just look up the Church of satan. I believe in a Creator/God not because of the bible or religion, but because there could not be existance without something that transcends the Universe in which all things have a beginning and end. A transcendant Being/Intelligence had to start the cycle Something that had no beginning or ending a Creator that set the Universal rules down. The Bible is just one way to worship Him in a way we can comprehend with our limited minds. A way to thank Him for our existance and keep moral law in our society. I love this: "because they gots 'Saytan' in they name they must be Eevil." *goof smily* Satanism is entitled as such predominantly because they believe pretty much the polar opposite to what Christians believe: indulgence over piety and humbleness; the individual over the collective community and God. (...Wow, that last one's pretty much dictionary deffinition conservatism, doncha think? :lol: :lol: ) Evil, your arguments are so fallacious it's comical. Honestly, this is no flame or "piss take", as we say down here: but you just cited Satanism expecting your audience to recoil with the innate fear you and your Church expect the name to precipitate. In truth, the use of "Satan" in Satanism is a metaphorical and (dare I say) satirical abstraction of conventional Christian indoctrination. Now don't try and argue with me that Satanist sects do worship "Satan" as the "evil one" to whom goats are sacrificed and in who's name churches are burned: you applied the term to Merril's colloquialisation of paganism, and ultimately Satanism is that; and its very foundational doctrines dictate it's practice and theology to be as far removed from Christian teachings as possible. That being said: yes, I relate more closely to Satanism than Christianity on many fronts. :lol: Sorry if that last comment made your brain explode: not all of us are as tightly gripped in pre-enlightenment propaganda as your fine self is. :D
  32. Uh ohSalvaged from archive28 Jul 2006, 09:40
    i suggest that whoever finds these contradictions interesting find an apologetics website which most likely will have a well written out response for you. i believe www.carm.org adresses some of these contradictions. the Bible itself does not clame innerancy, you know why? because the Bible was put together by man, books that are together in the Bible were seperate before. and so two different accounts were recorded and while the fundamentals were the same the specifics were a little bit off. i can go into great detail about a lot of these contradictions but that would take up time. if anything they are expanding my understanding of what scripture is.
  33. OverlordSalvaged from archive28 Jul 2006, 10:02
    Ya know what would be great? If you actually knew what you were talking about before you posted it. You don't even know what you'e copy and pasted. All you did was google contradictions and came up with this shit. You have no idea what you've written do you? Just stop. And the field of lood was named after Judas' bloody death. Just incase you didn't know. Which you don't you don't even know who that is do you? Just shut up you look like an idiot doing this. No need to call him an idiot. Judas' death is a surpreme example of Scriptual Criticism. One one account he hangs himself. In another gospel he throws himself from a high place and spills his guts on the ground. I think even in one gnostic gospel he is stoned by the other apostles. What is very important is that ever version is different. Plus with REAL forgiveness why do we need the "villian" Judas to be the unforgiven one? you can say, "well he betrayed Jesus to the Romans", yes but don't we all every time we sin put him on the cross?
  34. wing554Salvaged from archive28 Jul 2006, 14:53
    The contradictions presented are legitimate arguments or statements, to simply ignore them and not question them would be to accept ignorance. These contradictions have been presented in the past, but as many people have already posted, prophets and apostles wrote the gospels; all of them of which were human. To have a few inconsistencies for doctrines centuries apart connecting the old testament with the new is understandable, for the entire bible was not written by a single individual. The important aspect to concentrate on is the overall message of the entire book: the love of God and the message of Jesus Christ. The bible was systematically gathered and sorted from an array of gospels by King James (in which it is often entitled the King James version). The Gnostic Gospels/ Dead sea scrolls were purposely excluded as they seemed concocted and illegitimate as they contradicted the over all life and message of Jesus (ex: Jesus married and had children, wait I think a read a book about this :roll: ). merrillizer wrote Christianity sucks and should be destroyed. Get over it. It's lost all its power. People are waking up to fantasy now. It's losing it's grip. It's losing money. It's no longer the global power it once was with unbridled power. However it can still be used to indoctrinate a whole nation of people, it can be used to put the simpletons and pea brains under a spell, and it can be used to war. However, it is still losing it's power. Christianity ravaged Europe, and killed off millions and millions of people who would not accept it. You should know this, considering you're from England. Before Christianity, there were people of nature. People of reality. Druids, Norse, Heathens from the North. Religion and specifically Christianity, are not delusions or fantasies, but a way of living life. It is statistically proven people are happier and live longer and more fulfilling lives because of religion. As humans we are all ALMOST pre-disposed to commit horrible acts. History can prove this time and time again; sadly, Christianity and religion have been used as an excuse for these acts as they become corrupted by man. These reinforce what the bible and most religions state about human nature: no human is above another for everyone is guilty of some evil/sin. I am almost done, promise verticalkiller wrote Ya know what would be great? If you actually knew what you were talking about before you posted it. You don't even know what you'e copy and pasted. All you did was google contradictions and came up with this shit. You have no idea what you've written do you? Just stop. And the field of lood was named after Judas' bloody death. Just incase you didn't know. Which you don't you don't even know who that is do you? Just shut up you look like an idiot doing this. To be religious or a Christian does not mean we should ignore or become deaf to all new ideas or beliefs. Fundamentalists of any religion are the ones who contradict themselves, from the crusade of slaughter through Europe in the past to flying plains into buildings in the present. All committed in the name of a great creator. In the end the original posts of the contradictions have an explanation for most. Be it human error of the writers, mistranslation, or simply taken out of context. But I will oblige to explain the popular error concerning the death of Judas. cheese muffin wrote How did Judas die? (a) After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5) (b) After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18 ) Its been stated that his bowels gushed out as he hung himself on the tree of his filed. Some have mentioned the bibles message not to be always taken explicitly for the message is metaphoric or implicit. Like most of the contradictions it is important to focus on the gospels that they emerged from. Matthew was written by the apostle himself who was physically present in the perimeter of Jesus and Judas, which makes the entire gospel a primary source. Acts was written by Luke, an aid of Paul during some of his missionary trips. Luke’s writings are secondary source, not to say they are not legitimate, but he does not always site the aspect of entire story. It has been noticed that all gospels of the New Testament recite the same story, but every single one has information that another gospel left out.
  35. Uh ohSalvaged from archive28 Jul 2006, 16:01
    we need more people like you around here. for a couple things you took the words kind of out of my mouth, i shared the same ideas as you but had yet to fully contstruct them. for the rest i fully agree.
  36. Evil ConservativeSalvaged from archive28 Jul 2006, 17:06
    I love this: "because they gots 'Saytan' in they name they must be Eevil." *goof smily* Satanism is entitled as such predominantly because they believe pretty much the polar opposite to what Christians believe: indulgence over piety and humbleness; the individual over the collective community and God. (...Wow, that last one's pretty much dictionary deffinition conservatism, doncha think? :lol: :lol: ) Evil, your arguments are so fallacious it's comical. Honestly, this is no flame or "piss take", as we say down here: but you just cited Satanism expecting your audience to recoil with the innate fear you and your Church expect the name to precipitate. In truth, the use of "Satan" in Satanism is a metaphorical and (dare I say) satirical abstraction of conventional Christian indoctrination. Now don't try and argue with me that Satanist sects do worship "Satan" as the "evil one" to whom goats are sacrificed and in who's name churches are burned: you applied the term to Merril's colloquialisation of paganism, and ultimately Satanism is that; and its very foundational doctrines dictate it's practice and theology to be as far removed from Christian teachings as possible. That being said: yes, I relate more closely to Satanism than Christianity on many fronts. :lol: Sorry if that last comment made your brain explode: not all of us are as tightly gripped in pre-enlightenment propaganda as your fine self is. :D Take the gord hat off now snufft..your always waiting on the sidelines to pop up in a thread with me in it. You misjudge me constantly and try to read my mind ...constantly.. well sorry you CANNOT. The satanism comparison had nothing to do with what you think it did. I was simply qouting a whimsical fact. True satinist do not believe in a God or a devil and they think as some of you do.( I HAVE ANTON LEVAY'S "BOOK") That's ALL I said. ..then you come on with your typical rant and your theories about what I really meant. You are lower than I(eewww ahhhhhh). Go back to hanging on the rails until my next post.
  37. Red/YellowSalvaged from archive12 Aug 2006, 11:42
    I was never a christian so I don't really care about it; just another tool used by the shephards to herd the masses.
  38. dudeSalvaged from archive17 Sept 2006, 21:30
    what the hell is the big deal? honestly, i mean yes i do believe in a middle eastern religion. Why is that be bad? I just cannot grasp the fact that the universe just came to be without divine intervention. the universe cannot come from nothing. try reading Blaise pascal, "pascals wager", or Rene Decartes in the meditations. just a thought.
  39. shawmuttSalvaged from archive18 Sept 2006, 01:02
    Jesus camp (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=16868699963320811… for those that think Christianity is "dead". It is very much alive in all its forms, sacred and damn scary. All middle eastern religions are based on violence. The media has glorified Muslim violence, and made it seem worse than Judaism and Christianity, but they all say the same thing--their god is the one true God, and all unbelievers need to convert or die. On the other hand, there is much good that can be gleaned from organized religion. I am a Unitarian Universalist (UU for short) and have learned to meld my Baptist (shiver) upbringing with the postive messages from other religions. There is a positive message that can be had from all religions.
  40. DrazSalvaged from archive18 Sept 2006, 01:03
    If your scared go to church.
  41. shawmuttSalvaged from archive18 Sept 2006, 02:12
    Let me clarify--all middle eastern religions call on their followers to commit violence in the name of their god. The Bible, the Torah, and the Koran all have passages in their holy books instructing believers to kill non-believers. For instance, in the Old Testament and the Torah there is Deuteronomy: Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10 Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16 Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7 Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13 Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
  42. tim2xSalvaged from archive18 Sept 2006, 11:14
    I'm surprised that you only came up with 101 contradictions in the Bible. Lots more. I'm still trying to figure out where Cain got a wife. Any way, most of those contradictions come from the Catholic church doing translations into other languages by hand centuries ago * see joke post about the church in jokes and pranks* Lets not forget, that hell and Satan did not exist until the dark ages. Originally there was no hell, condemning your soul forever for the deeds you did, but just purgatory, where your soul went to do penance for your life's misdeeds, then you went to heaven. But that didn't get enough converts, nor was it scary enough to keep people in line. That left the impression that after doing time in soul prison, you still went to heaven anyway. So now there's a hell. Not only a Hell, but at the time, if you were a good Christian, paid the right money to the right person in the church, your neighbors that weren't converts yet were convicted of heresy or whatever, and lost their goods, property or land. It was ok to do that to them, they weren't Christian. Good reason to convert- keep everything and stay alive, or lose everything, and die painfully and long. Notice how the description of Satan and his horns is directly lifted from the Wiccan horned one, who was the companion of the all mother. (this is where the Christians got Mary) Most Christian religious holidays are directly lifted from European pagan traditions, just with "Christ" slapped on them so that those pagans would convert. Christmas being the biggest one. There is nothing wrong with believing in a higher power. But that higher power has nothing to do with religion. All current powerful social religions were created originally by small minded, egotistical men with no importance in life, and no influence. They wanted that influence, power, and importance, and said that "god, or gods" said this was how things were supposed to be.
  43. ThanatosSalvaged from archive18 Sept 2006, 14:12
    I dont even know where to start, i think ive msised the bulk of the arguement. Suffice to say, religion is the root and cause of all evil....but can result in some good too. Religion facilitates misinterpretation, which causes violence and wars. If the bible/torah/koran etc were written more clearly and concisely (considering all the ppl in them are supposed to be wise) there would be less arguements and more understanding. I am happy to remain outside of all religions. As an observer looking in, religions only appear to offer happiness in a form of delusion. As Karl Marx would say - religion is the opiate of the masses, and a tool of the bourgeoisie used to keep the proletariat oppressed and decieved. Rise up against the machine! Atheism is the way forward! Religion is part of a past which most of us regret (although extremeists like the crazy RELIGIOUS lady would disagree). Society is doomed to stagmentation if religion remains. Social change is needed, and in a big way. Sorry for the rant, im a sociology student and have studied religions impact on society in great detail :)
  44. shawmuttSalvaged from archive18 Sept 2006, 15:11
    As Karl Marx would say - religion is the opiate of the masses, and a tool of the bourgeoisie used to keep the proletariat oppressed and decieved. Sorry for the rant, im a sociology student and have studied religions impact on society in great detail Shame, shame, all that book knowledge and all you have to share is a common misquote and incorrect interpertation of Marx. Maybe you should take your nose out of your college book and spend some time with those who can't afford to go to college. Atheism can also be an opiate.
  45. ThanatosSalvaged from archive18 Sept 2006, 15:18
    Incorrect how? Most common misconception of Marx is his theory of communism. Atheism cannot be an opiate as it offers no consolation for grievances, no idea of "suffer now, reward in afterlife". You are full of shit dude, why criticise in such a vague, misinformed way.
  46. shawmuttSalvaged from archive18 Sept 2006, 15:37
    Why criticize religion in such a vague misinformed way? Atheists are the new Christians--they suffer so much to bring people their version of the truth. They are "born again" and realizing the lies that ran their lives, they run about shouting from the rooftops their version of the truth. Atheism is not "anti-religion", it is a religion in and of itself--and prostelytizing religions such as atheism really get my goat. The correct Marx quote is: Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The meaning is more subtle than Atheists and other bullies lead the "masses" to believe. Question for you: how many people died due to religion? Hundreds of thousands? How does that compare to the millions killed by people, who like you, misunderstood Marx? How does that compare to the millions killed without the excuse of religion? Like I said, get your nose out of your books, and experience some real life.
  47. ThanatosSalvaged from archive18 Sept 2006, 16:42
    No one, i repeat NO ONE has been killed due to a misunderstanding of Karl Marx. And COUNTLESS millions have been killed in the name of some god or other. Your quote is a flimsy, meaningless, poetic reference, which jumps accross several topics with no explanation - wheres the "real life" in "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature"?!?! Jesus you are so full of it im actually losing my mind - no one suggested Atheism is anti-religion - it is ABSENCE of religion. A definition would go something like "I dont believe in god, therefore i am an atheist" not "I want to kill god and all his followers, therefore i am an atheist". Also, a religion is a social construction that facilitates worship of a higher being (as a rough definition) - atheists believe in no such being, and 99% of atheists have no active interest in protesting against religion, or even discussing religion as a whole - they simply abstain from the whole argument. And as for life experience - i havent read books, i have discussed with a tutor with more knowledge and experience in sociology and social study than is measurable. Get a fuckin clue, im getting really tired of this empty battle of expertise, seeing as you obvously have none. Where exactly in "life experience" do you learn about Karl Marx and his sociological theories anyway?!
  48. shawmuttSalvaged from archive19 Sept 2006, 03:06
    I need to clarify one of my statements. Atheism, per se, is not anti-religious. Some atheists, however, definitely are. There are humanists, atheists, and Buddhists among the congregation in my church, and none of them believe in any kind of God. They are also well-balanced, well-reasoned people who are more than happy to debate but never try to force their beliefs on others. They are able to sit amongst those that believe in gods and find common ground. Then there are the atheists, more often than not on the Internet, who make a point to disparage everyone who brings up a belief in a higher power. They are just as bad as fundamentalist Christians in my book. They fail to realize that, just as they can justify and rationalize their beliefs, so too can a person who believes in a God. This whole thread can easily be rationalized away by biblical scholars. It doesn’t make it right, but it would provide an explanation that would satisfy the pious. No one, i repeat NO ONE has been killed… Didn’t you read any history books in all that studying you did? Your quote is a flimsy, meaningless, poetic reference…. It’s what Karl Marx actually wrote. Your misquote has a very different meaning than what Marx meant. Where exactly in "life experience" do you learn about Karl Marx and his sociological theories anyway?! Am I seriously being asked that by a sociology student? I had to show my wife. She is about to finish her masters in sociology and really had a good chuckle at your statement. You show a general lack of understanding of history, politics, philosophy, and religion. You also have displayed little in the way of real life experience. That, coupled with the straw man you are trying to set up, means this discussion will go nowhere.
  49. ThanatosSalvaged from archive19 Sept 2006, 05:51
    Ahahaha, straw man, a term i havent seen since my A levels (oh yes, there were many). You cut part of my first quote, changing the meaning of it entirely, which brings me to believe you are struggling to find fault. You may have directly copied Marx's statement, but it was a very poetic, non-meaningful statement. Whereas my "quote" was a paraphrase of part of Marx's theory. Goddamn, I didn't expect to get into an argument over fucking sociology, I didn't even LIKE the subject that much. Karl Marx wrote ABOUT real life, and attempted to explain parts of it, but you do not encounter Marx or his theories in every day life, you simply do the things that he happened to write about. Incidently, where exactly can you go with a sociology masters? Social work? Charity work? PROBABTION? Its a dead subject - and has little-to-no impact on the lives of most people. I know, i know, "death of the subject" and sociological impact are debates within and about sociology, but that is my side of it. Please dont waste more time debating things that no one has the answer to.
  50. shawmuttSalvaged from archive19 Sept 2006, 07:24
    Incidently, where exactly can you go with a sociology masters? Social work? Charity work? PROBABTION? Its a dead subject - and has little-to-no impact on the lives of most people. Teaching--which, incidentally, has a big impact in the lives of most people. I didn't shorten your quotes to change their meaning, I shortened them because I didn't feel the need to quote the whole sentence.
  51. ThanatosSalvaged from archive19 Sept 2006, 07:28
    Furthur spreading useless knowledge.
  52. shawmuttSalvaged from archive19 Sept 2006, 07:31
    Useless indeed.
  53. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive19 Sept 2006, 17:25
    I agree with Thantos but he's a dumbass :) Muffin COPY AND PASTED these bullshit contradictions because I told him he should find out what he'd denying before he denies it. I told him to find me contradicitons and read before he speaks. His answer was to google contradictions in the BIble and happened upon this little gem. I'm sure he has no idea who the people are nor what they did, whom he has listed, or pasted. Which makes this list about as credible as a rotten stick. Id I wanted to dispute the field of blood with him, he wouldn't know what the fuck i'm talking about, thus making this thread without point. A meeger attempt to grant me my come-up-ins. You guys are disputing old news, its kinda......well, silly.
  54. ThanatosSalvaged from archive19 Sept 2006, 17:40
    so im a dumbass, but you havent managed to spell my name correctly ONCE :?
  55. verticalkillerSalvaged from archive19 Sept 2006, 17:42
    so im a dumbass, but you havent managed to spell my name correctly ONCE :? sorry. (*thinking*.......there must be something mean I can say) hmm......your name is stupid :)
  56. ThanatosSalvaged from archive19 Sept 2006, 17:49
    Whereas verticalkiller makes perfect sense lol (*hmmm...you kill while standing up?...*) Btw i kno my avatar is a bit weepy and emo but i only have 2 pics less than 100x100 and 9kb :?
  57. shawmuttSalvaged from archive19 Sept 2006, 18:47
    Btw i kno my avatar is a bit weepy and emo but i only have 2 pics less than 100x100 and 9kb Download gimp or the trial version of Photoshop and make your own.
  58. ThanatosSalvaged from archive19 Sept 2006, 19:24
    cheers - will do when its not 2am lol
  59. ThanatosSalvaged from archive20 Sept 2006, 05:51
    Thats a lot man :D appreciated

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