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verticalkillerSalvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 21:04
So I was watching this thing on DHC (Discovery Health Channel) and it was about this baby that was born without a face. I watched a few minutes and everyone else who was watching said change it cause it was just that horrible. www.homeworking.ws/children/juliannaatbirth.jpg Why would you bother keeping that alive? She's blind deaf, and fucked up looking. She'll always be some science experiment to doctors and shunned by society, why on Earth would you put your child through that? If it were me, cause i'm a heartless fuck to some of you, I would totally have made it a ward of the state or just fall down the stairs. SOMETHING but it just seems so CRUEL to keep that babything alive. Ok maybe thats mean to call it babything but come on....fine, baby. Then again, if my baby even ends up retarded in ANY manner it's totally being adopted out. I wouldn't be able to handle it (the situation, not the baby.) It takes a certain special type of person to care for a child with special needs and that aint me. perhaps god will punish me with a retarded baby, but I think he knows that doing that would just add to more adopted children and special needs adoptees at that. I could deal with blind oh God, not even that. Just no kids for VK. At least for now.
KitRaeSalvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 21:13
Pshh that kid doesn't have shit on me, I'm still uglier!! MHAAHAAAA!!! :twisted: But you are right imo, it IS cruel to keep that baby alive... She would have to get around on smell alone, considering she's deaf and blind :shock: Not to mention the suffering she has to endure cuz of all the experiments and shit. :shock:
babadiSalvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 21:28
well i mean is shes blind and deaf how the hell would she be able to do ANYTHING? let alone learn anything
That DudeSalvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 21:33
well i mean is shes blind and deaf how the hell would she be able to do ANYTHING? let alone learn anything Hellen Keller managed it, and she was a lot older before anyone attempted teaching her anything.
babadiSalvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 21:38
well it says that she was 1 and a half when she lost her sight and hearing so she could acually function alittle bit and maybe know some words too
That DudeSalvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 21:44
well it says that she was 1 and a half when she lost her sight and hearing so she could acually function alittle bit and maybe know some words too She lost her sight and hearing before she learned to speak though, right, and therefore she had no chance at learning word association before her problems came on.
babadiSalvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 21:49
but she didnt have a facial disfiguration like that i mean come on
That DudeSalvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 21:50
well i mean is shes blind and deaf how the hell would she be able to do ANYTHING? let alone learn anything This is what I'm responding to. I haven't said anything about her face. :)
babadiSalvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 21:53
ok ok lol but thinks for mentioning that thats a cool story
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 22:12
I just wanted to put my foot all in that child's parent's asses. They were thinking of themselves and not that child. They just didn't want to deal with the loss, thats fucking terrible. They should be put in jail. SICK! My mistake I meant this link, gives more of her story and some fucked up pics as well. http://www.mymultiplesclerosis.co.uk/misc/juliannawetmore…
tgd_02Salvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 22:21
oo yea they had this at somethingawful forums.... oooo time to depart soon!
babadiSalvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 22:21
now i really feel sorry for this girl i mean fed through the stomach? come on and constant surgeries? i mean i couldnt imagine what this girl is going through
QuackersSalvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 22:27
Yea sure, take the brat down to the river and drown the fucker just because it dosnt fit in with society... Its already been said that Hellen Keller managed despite being deaf and blind, why cant this child? Its horrific to even consider ending its life. The only person that should have that decision is the child itself. No one can decide whether she shouldnt have the right to live or not, just because she was born different.
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 22:39
Yea sure, take the brat down to the river and drown the fucker just because it dosnt fit in with society... Its already been said that Hellen Keller managed despite being deaf and blind, why cant this child? Its horrific to even consider ending its life. The only person that should have that decision is the child itself. No one can decide whether she shouldnt have the right to live or not, just because she was born different. It's not just about being born different, if you can't offer much to society and your life will pretty much be your families dark secret, what is the point in living? Not only is she deaf, blind and horribly horribly disfigured she'll rarely be taken seriously. Hellen Keller did all sorts of shit, but she didnt go through surgery after surgery after surgery and looked like a melted candle. Why not save the military another 3mil and just end it. Well you can't euthanise her now, shes too alive. But as a baby..........oh no. Just let it go. I doubt she'll live much longer anyway. What a terrible terrible life. Terrible, terrible life..........terrible
Anony-mousSalvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 22:40
ya in watched a special on her on National Geographic channel...sad
asdfSalvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 23:37
Atleast she has an awesome halloween mask already. j/k That is really sad, I wouldn't want my child to have to go through life like that.
That DudeSalvaged from archive8 Aug 2006, 23:45
I'm currently debating with myself whether euthanasia should have been legal for her case. Being hooked up to medical equipment and being turned into a medical guinea pig for the rest of one's life is not even a life. I feel so sorry for that child. This story is heartbreaking for me.
Snuff.Salvaged from archive9 Aug 2006, 08:16
Haven't seen the link and don't want to. But the whole "constant ops" deal is enough of a reason for euthanasia IMO. Quality of life is what is important. And VK, though you may now say you'd have your retarded child adopted, when it comes down to it you may find yourself with a different perspective after your brain's pump-loaded with maternal hormones and the like. If everybody was able to rationalize as you suggest given such circumstances mammalian life would be fucked. :wink:
AvalonerSalvaged from archive9 Aug 2006, 09:54
Well I would surely let this poor child die..because death is much better then what she is going trought, she can't understand what is happening with her, her whole life consists out of strange smells and one operation after the other. Its simply torture to keep her alive, her life wwill always be something she can't handel on her own, she will always be tied on the bed , always in fear that some...holes gonna open in your head, bones gonna fracture and there is nothing you can do for her, for gods sake let this child die and stop using her for experiments.
tgd_02Salvaged from archive9 Aug 2006, 11:33
kill the uh...baby
longbobSalvaged from archive9 Aug 2006, 11:46
She is not a 'thing' or an 'it', she is a person. The bottom line is that she is a little girl who loves her Mum and Dad and her Mum and Dad love her and that's more than a lot of people in this world will ever have. Longbob.
Tho-MliASTERSalvaged from archive9 Aug 2006, 11:54
Hmmm, I cannot decide if it right or not to let the child live that life
AvalonerSalvaged from archive9 Aug 2006, 13:40
The bottom line is that she is a little girl who loves her Mum and Dad and her Mum and Dad love her and that's more than a lot of people in this world will ever have. Wrong, if you would love someone then you don't torture him/her and do you really think they love each other, she never heard her parents, never saw them, maybe don't even had the chance to smell them, because I believe she is more in the hospital then somewhere else. All that she has and ever will have is something she will hold on and that will be her parents, what happends if they die, who will care for her? I don't say that she doesn't love her mum and dad but I don't know what are her parents and what are her doctors and so on, in the end noone can tell her that this is that, I hope you get what I'm trieing to say.
Uh ohSalvaged from archive9 Aug 2006, 15:11
just because the child won't be born "like us" does not mean it's life should be ended. every person here values, or should value the fact that they are alive. because a child is born horribly disfigured and challenged does not mean it should not have the chance to enjoy life as well. in today's society you can manage despite having many defects. fuck there's a guy who had his face torn off by a bear who's found a happy life after some surgery, and i watched a video with two blind+deaf people who married eachother.
Clouds in the SkySalvaged from archive9 Aug 2006, 15:16
That is sad... I know I'd hate my parents for keeping me alive.
Commando80Salvaged from archive9 Aug 2006, 15:18
Put it out of its misery is what I say.
Commando80Salvaged from archive9 Aug 2006, 15:18
That is sad... I know I'd hate my parents for keeping me alive. We'd still love you even if you looked like that annie! :lol: :lol:
Clouds in the SkySalvaged from archive9 Aug 2006, 15:19
heheh I think I'd have fun with it... I'd go terrorize the neighbours.
Commando80Salvaged from archive9 Aug 2006, 15:20
They would think you were an alien and hit you with a rake! :shock: :lol:
AvalonerSalvaged from archive9 Aug 2006, 15:35
@Uh oh: I'm not judging her because she is not like me or other "normal" persons, I just try to imagen what her life is like and what would I do when I'm in her situation/Parents situation and in every case, out of my experience I already collected in this world, I say its better that she is death rather than life a live full of torture experiments and operations, no matter how much operations she will get, she will never have eyelight or can hear something, she will always depend on people and believe me in this world, where already normal people aren't accepted because they simply have other skin color, do you think she could be accepted by people? I don't say that I wouldn't accept her but I would honestly feel sorry for her.
longbobSalvaged from archive10 Aug 2006, 00:55
The bottom line is that she is a little girl who loves her Mum and Dad and her Mum and Dad love her and that's more than a lot of people in this world will ever have. Wrong, if you would love someone then you don't torture him/her and do you really think they love each other, she never heard her parents, never saw them, maybe don't even had the chance to smell them, because I believe she is more in the hospital then somewhere else. All that she has and ever will have is something she will hold on and that will be her parents, what happends if they die, who will care for her? I don't say that she doesn't love her mum and dad but I don't know what are her parents and what are her doctors and so on, in the end noone can tell her that this is that, I hope you get what I'm trieing to say. What do you mean wrong? please re-read my statement that you quoted was wrong - 'The bottom line is that she is a little girl who loves her Mum and Dad and her Mum and Dad love her and that's more than a lot of people in this world will ever have.' Tell me what is wrong about those words!? You talk about caring for her. She has physical disabilities but nowhere in the article does it mention mental disabilities. Instead the article says 'Nancy DeBiase a nurse on the ward with Julianna requested a cat scan to check if there was a fully-formed brain inside this mis-shapen skull and was delighted and amazed to discover that there was.' so apart from here physical disabilities she is a regular human being with a mind of her own. Millions of people in the world have some form of physical disability, should we round them up and euthanise them? Are you advocating eugenics? These questions are not only for you Avaloner but for anyone who thought that Julianna should be 'put down'. Quality of life is what matters. Yes, she will have to go through many operations throughout her life and yes, her life may well be shorter than average and yes, she wont be winning any beauty pagents. At times she will feel sadness and pain but at other times she will also feel joy and happiness as we all do. She did draw the short straw in many ways but I still stand by my original post and say again that while she is less fortuanate than most in some respects, the fact that she has love in her life makes her better off than many. Longbob.
verticalkillerSalvaged from archive10 Aug 2006, 02:19
If her parents had loved her as much as they claim to she wouldn't be alive. It's like she's a normal child trapped in a shell. Can't hear, see and on top of that people will always treat her like some sort of cripple. I mean what would be the point of living. She's had a ton of surgery and there are more to come. Constantly being afraid of holes in her skull and......procedures that have already happened where they take a rib, slit it and put it in her head. All she is to doctors and specialists is a sciene experiment. She's the worst case ever documented whose lived and has a secondary gene disorder on top of this syndrom. She's unique and thats why they've opted to keep her alive I believe. Nothing about love. As far as me giving away my retard child, maybe my opinion will change but I doubt it. I HIGHLY doubt it. Im just not the one to deal with that type of situation.
QuackersSalvaged from archive10 Aug 2006, 02:44
I mean what would be the point of living. Thats her choice to make though, no one elses.
AvalonerSalvaged from archive10 Aug 2006, 04:29
Longbob: The wrong for me is that you say she loves her parents, but she don't know who her parents are, she never will because noone is able to tell her that and everyone with a normal brain wont be able to tell the differenc between people, when you neither hear or see them, how should she know that this person is her mother, this her dad and so on, she doesn't see them and she doesn't hear them she nearly get no information out of her surroundings, sure she feels touch and yes she can smell, but thats not enough to say "she loves her mum and dad, like a normal child" she simply doesn't know what persons are standing for something. Her pysical dysabilietis will pull mind dysabilietis behind, because she wont be able to understand what happends around her, she just will know things by their smell like hospital=pain=don't like it and exactly there is the point, there is nothing about love, its just mother=no pain=like her more, you call that love, just because she doesn't feel pain in the arms of her mother that this is the proof that she loves her mother and how can parents, who love their child keep her alive, knowing that she will never have a good live, knowing that she will be always in fear, in fear of something she doesn't even understand? And please t.rex, her choice, how can she change it, she can't say "Kill me" she will never be able to say it. She is simply to small for making such a decision and because of that her parents should make it, but they are simply too blind to see it.
longbobSalvaged from archive10 Aug 2006, 05:35
Longbob: The wrong for me is that you say she loves her parents, but she don't know who her parents are, she never will because noone is able to tell her that and everyone with a normal brain wont be able to tell the differenc between people, when you neither hear or see them, how should she know that this person is her mother, this her dad and so on, she doesn't see them and she doesn't hear them she nearly get no information out of her surroundings, sure she feels touch and yes she can smell, but thats not enough to say "she loves her mum and dad, like a normal child" she simply doesn't know what persons are standing for something. Her pysical dysabilietis will pull mind dysabilietis behind, because she wont be able to understand what happends around her, she just will know things by their smell like hospital=pain=don't like it and exactly there is the point, there is nothing about love, its just mother=no pain=like her more, you call that love, just because she doesn't feel pain in the arms of her mother that this is the proof that she loves her mother and how can parents, who love their child keep her alive, knowing that she will never have a good live, knowing that she will be always in fear, in fear of something she doesn't even understand? And please t.rex, her choice, how can she change it, she can't say "Kill me" she will never be able to say it. She is simply to small for making such a decision and because of that her parents should make it, but they are simply too blind to see it. I won't argue this any further as we obviously have opposing views so we will have to agree to disagree but I want to say that I have got kids of my own and around 2 decades more life experience than you :wink: Longbob.
Uh ohSalvaged from archive10 Aug 2006, 14:23
@Uh oh: I'm not judging her because she is not like me or other "normal" persons, I just try to imagen what her life is like and what would I do when I'm in her situation/Parents situation and in every case, out of my experience I already collected in this world, I say its better that she is death rather than life a live full of torture experiments and operations, no matter how much operations she will get, she will never have eyelight or can hear something, she will always depend on people and believe me in this world, where already normal people aren't accepted because they simply have other skin color, do you think she could be accepted by people? I don't say that I wouldn't accept her but I would honestly feel sorry for her. i understand that BUT, she's blind and deaf and has lost two of the main senses. it comes down to her to enjoy living which i think she would enjoy... but then again i'm not so sure. how can i relate? i know nothing similar to this situation. i know there was a kid with multiple sclerosis (i think) who had someone assist him in suicide because life was not fun. regardless of the disease he wanted to die because he hated life, if it was a guy but i don't remember. but that person would have seen and heard everything from other people, the girl in this situation would know nothing really and would never know anything. it's a very interesting topic, but i know too little to say too much.
Jack KlompusSalvaged from archive12 Aug 2006, 11:48
I wont act all Lawyer-guy-who-knows-stuff here. Filecabinet is the one place i can act all goofy and still be "yelling ´fuck the world´ on my victory lap". So i´ll try n be as simple and clear as i can. Im 26 years old and ive seen way too many weird things happen in Medicine. Remember that guy who woke up from that twenty-something years coma? Well u never know... those damn doctors. However there are such cases like this one of this particular baby in which things are not that simple. First of all i honestly doubt that lil creature will grow up to have a decent life. So thats the point right there. We have this ideal conflict of two important moral values: life itself and the dignity of that human being. Lets just say baby keeps his life. Who should pay for it? Medicines, oxigen or whatever this kid will need during his existence. Lots of care thats for sure. Whos paying for it. The State?!?!! Fuck me but ure damn wrong if u think the State should pay that bill. FOr one reason only: there r other serious and not so rare diseases/conditions out there. How many ppl would benefit from the cure of Cancer? HIV? Diabetes? Isnt the State supposed to assist the ppl as a group, as a society? So State assets should be destined to those matters involving interests of the largest number of ppl u can reach right? So if the family decides to pay for it... What the hell. No one is allowed to obligate the family to keep the baby alive. Not even the State, since theyre not paying shit (or at least they shouldnt be). Thats imo and not what would necessarily happen. Just remember its a lot of money and the family might not be able to afford the long-life treatment at all. If it was up to me to decide. Lets just say im the babys father. well... first of all id quit jerking off. That father dude mustve wasted all his good guys... :roll: ok tasteless joke. Then oh shit... hardest decision ever to be made. Rationally, and maybe, the right thing is to end it all. I dont have kids myself, but i guess once u have them and u look into those little eyes well... hard to just say "end it" and go home watch your ass on the 9 o clock news. So i guess i would keep him alive for the instincts and yea maybe against Reasoning. And then theres the Religion perspective. Im a Christian. So dont even get me started.

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