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1. Josh85Salvaged from archive8 Jan 2007, 10:42
   To skip the part where I talk trippy bullshit and get to the proper question, just scroll down to the next set of bold text :D With animals... insects.. fish... where do you draw the line when it comes to what has emotion, what can feel pain, what has a spirit? When do you stop feeling guilty? I don't consider myself any sort of delusional psychic but I've always been able to see "Auras" and in a certain way I judge things with "Auras" to have souls... but even then, though I might consider insects not to have souls because they have no auras, I can still consider the fact that ... well.. I simply may not be able to see their auras. That aside.. I still feel guilty about killing things as little as insects... just then in the kitchen (the reason I came up with this random topic) I had a fly hover in front of my face... in half-drunken disgruntledness I swatted it out of the air... rendering it retarded on the ground... then, feeling a sudden rush of guilt, I knelt down and punched it (my knuckles vs. It .. vs. the ground) to swiftly end any pain it may have. I felt guilty about harming a fly??? The same goes for earlier on today.. I went for a walk on the beach and found some sort of demented weird sea slug (I'm not even sure) type thing.. I knelt down for about an hour beside it.. just .. watching it.. because it had an aura.. and that kinda freaked me out because it seemed to be just a fucken slug.. but it's aura was huge.. I'm not even sure what it was.. eventually I let it go.. but yeh. I remember when I was a kid.. I might have rammed a stick through this thing.. and watched it writhe. It kinda makes me sick to think of even possibly doing that now. But yeh.. as for the slug thing... I touched it a few times to see what reaction it would give.. it was still living.. I even poured water from my water bottle over it to see if it would help it out at all.. but in general I didn't quite understand what the fuck it was so I just spent most of the time staring at it. Eh.. anyway.. right now I'm trying to form some some of structure to my late night drunken ramblings.. I think the general jist of it is... If you believe in souls... what has a soul? At what size.. do animals.. or moving objects.. have souls? At what size or scale do you think animals or insects can feel pain? And at what point do you feel guilty in killing an animal or insect? A part of me thinks that any animal that can -dream-.. has a soul.. and that generally the ability to -dream- might hold with it the presence of a soul. Like cats.. dogs... etc. But.. I don't know. Anyway.. that's my random spiritual question for this evening.
2. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive8 Jan 2007, 11:03
   OKAY, Josh.... hmmmm, been droppin' hits of 'cid lately or are these flashbacks to a previous experience? LMFAO...just bustin on ya! :lol: :lol: LOL, I feel the same way, I think it comes with age and experience. I use to be a very ambitious hunter...all styles and game. Couldn't wait to get out in the field and hunt something down and kill it. Not because I needed to, but because I could and wanted to! Now I find myself feeling guilty whenever I go hunting. I feel myself thinking about the animal that is now the food I am eating. Yes, animals feel pain, as do almost all life forms. As far as the Soul part, I do not know. Can't imagine my dogs not having a Soul...they have too much emotion not too!
3. Josh85Salvaged from archive8 Jan 2007, 11:11
   LOL I might not have worded my "questions" right. I had to include the aura part to sorta get around the soul bit. The real questions are in bold. But yeh.. I am in a kinda trippy mood lately. Big Ozzie: You think flies and spiders feel pain? I'm not sure.. I think they feel a type of ... sense of something isn't right.. like if you swatted a fly and it was still half alive, but it would know it's body is fucked up and it's doomed? I agree with you on the dog part. They are just too real to not have souls. It's why I get pissed whenever I see someone being cruel to their dogs.. the fuckers have souls and minds like us, they just don't have a voice.
4. Big OzzieSalvaged from archive8 Jan 2007, 12:21
   Fact: Insects have a nervous system AND a sense of touch...thus, they must feel pain. A spider will sit in its web with its legs touching strategic strands of the web. These strands of spun web fiber transmit vibrations when an insect becomes entangled. Therefore, they must have a sense of touch. When insects sense/see/feel/smell water, do they avoid it? A column of ants will not stumble blindly into water and die. They will seek a way around it. When most insects sense intense heat, don't they avoid it? Doesn't a worm wiggle even more when pierced with a fish hook? I think that while the sense of touch and/or Pain may not be as acute in insects or even some animals based on development of their nervous system. I do believe that all animals and insects feel pain. Some are just more acute and in tune with what they feel and have an understanding of what it is or means.
5. PASalvaged from archive8 Jan 2007, 14:01
   ozzie is a smart guy 8) i agree 100%

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