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FileCabi.netSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
http://www.filecabi.net/video/black-white-doll.html
fasterspiderSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
Bad link, goes no where.
TragedySalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
None of the new links work :\
Big OzzieSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
I don't know if there was a problem that was fixed by TG.....but the link is working for me! Try again! This video raises the Race questions again...is Prejudice taught to our children just by what they observe around them? OR is it taught to them by parents, elders and in turn, their peers? I can not imagine that a parent would teach their child that their own race is "Bad" or another is "Good". This must come from media contact and how different races are portrayed and broad casted on the news, TV shows and in public surroundings. One interesting question that raises in my mind, What would happen if you had FOUR dolls....a Caucasian, an Oriental, a Black and a Brown Doll? What would a child of Oriental extraction pick? Would a Black child put them in a certain order? Would a child that was Hispanic or Latino chose them differently? Interesting study....more so that the results end up the same even after 50 years!
InfernoSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
This video shows nothing. What is painful about it? What is bad? Ooo. Black kids like playing with a white doll. Something must be changed!!! No. Just no.
ArmasatSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
They should have added a green and a pink doll as additional alternatives. The result might have been another one. Btw: Every child shown in this clip was cute.
Big OzzieSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by Inferno View Post This video shows nothing. What is painful about it? What is bad? Ooo. Black kids like playing with a white doll. Something must be changed!!! No. Just no. That is not the point. I believe that the point that they were trying to make is that these little kids feel that when they have two identical dolls (with exception to skin color), that one could be a "Bad Doll" and one could be "Good". The only thing that these children can base their decision on is the skin color of the doll. The video shows that prejudice based on skin color starts at a young age and that despite efforts by groups and governments to create understanding and acceptance of different races, this prejudice is still just as strong as it was before the civil rights movements.
IhateNextelSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
I really am just blown away by this video.I don't really understand, as big oz has pointed out, what would lead them to make that choice. Is it media, is it home life, or is it just, hell, I don't know. That's sad, I really thought we had come a ways with this. I was hoping that through the ages, ( and I hate to say it ) that as all the older people died out , like my grandparents, that racial tension would go with it. I wonder, does every black person have an uncle or grandpa like the one from the boondocks? He hates black people..! lol
brownbearclanSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
I don't think this test proves a whole lot. 3/4 of the picks were for the white doll, so what. But I've said this before and I'll say it again, the negative stereotypes of black people are created by black people themselves. It really is unfortunate that the decent hard working law-abiding people of color get stereotyped because of the actions of their piers. Now if people want to actually do anything about this, try doing the obvious thing! Educate, mentor, be a positive roll model, etc. There is no quick fix for this issue, but every little bit helps.
OneOfTheLadsSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by brownbearclan View Post I don't think this test proves a whole lot. 3/4 of the picks were for the white doll, so what. But I've said this before and I'll say it again, the negative stereotypes of black people are created by black people themselves. It really is unfortunate that the decent hard working law-abiding people of color get stereotyped because of the actions of their piers. Now if people want to actually do anything about this, try doing the obvious thing! Educate, mentor, be a positive roll model, etc. There is no quick fix for this issue, but every little bit helps. I agree. It's just another race issue that's blown out of proportion. If race issues are just left to die, we'll never have to see it stirred up an interfere with our lives. Another thing, what would have happened if the children picked all black dolls and called the white dolls 'bad'? They had to pick one and whichever one it was, it was going to be the incorrect choice.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
Well.....if more dolls could be compared maybe it would mean something. I mean obviously a lighter color would be considered good(happy times, sunshine, rainbows etc). And a darker color would be bad(dark, spooky, etc).
PASalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
hmm..... this video is, sad in some sort of way, that i can not really explain. i mean the color of your skin does not matter, yet these children view themselves as "bad". food for thought
abbsSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
hey, my little cousin prefferes black dolls instead of white dolls, and she's white.
JegarSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
Urk.... regbergbdrfgbrfgb
Osiris7790Salvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
Im not sure I understand the problem here or what this test proves.
bloggsySalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
Now, why didn't they take a bunch of white kids and give them each a black and white doll. What do you think the results would be? In judging her documentary, I would deem it incomplete. She left out the counterview of white kids.
MaelstromccSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
kinda sad....
mrpygSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
I agree with bloggsy i would love to see the results of that test,theres a lot of wiggers out there
Firep0w3rSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
This IS sad...on soooo many levels.
mauriceSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
well i'm in psychology, have had a lot of research courses, and i can tell you this study sucks big time. the original guy either had no clue about scientific methods or was extremely biased. you could explain such behaviors in a lot of different ways. maybe white is just a more appealing color in general - who buys a fucking brown car? - or, maybe the adds the kid saw all had white dolls, etc. they didnt verify or control for that. i could easily see the same experiment, using some non-racial colors like green or blue, get the same numbers. they just randomly pick an explanation out of the bag, obviously the one they wanted. thats not science. its kind of ironic how they just draw a conclusion too quickly and generalize, which is exactly what racism is based on.
Rabid KimbaSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by Inferno View Post This video shows nothing. What is painful about it? What is bad? Ooo. Black kids like playing with a white doll. Something must be changed!!! No. Just no. Obviously by your response you are white. Let me ask you this one... How would you feel if white kids chose black dolls over white dolls most of the time?
beeeerSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by Big Ozzie View Post That is not the point. I believe that the point that they were trying to make is that these little kids feel that when they have two identical dolls (with exception to skin color), that one could be a "Bad Doll" and one could be "Good". The only thing that these children can base their decision on is the skin color of the doll. The video shows that prejudice based on skin color starts at a young age and that despite efforts by groups and governments to create understanding and acceptance of different races, this prejudice is still just as strong as it was before the civil rights movements. I agree with you Ozzie, except one thing I think should be taken into consideration... How can they say anything, and base any results from this test, when only 21 kids were involved?.. And where were those kids even from? Downtown Jersey? Canada? Europe? Queen street in Compton? Sunshine street in Naples? It doesn't justify "A problem". Of course there is a problem. But, I dont really think this study justifies anything. Of course there are problems, but...... "this prejudice is still just as strong as it was before the civil rights movements" I cannot agree with that. *street names are made up*
Rabid KimbaSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
It's funny how many of you think this is a none issue, I wonder how many posters here are black, so we can hear the other prespective, it's too one sided here.
DosageSalvaged from archive29 Jan 2007, 00:00
I've said it before and I'll say it again. You want a solution? Forced inter-racial breeding. Eventually, everyone would be brownish-tan and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference anymore.
crazyjoeSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by Rabid Kimba View Post Obviously by your response you are white. Let me ask you this one... How would you feel if white kids chose black dolls over white dolls most of the time? Why should that matter though? It's a doll. Not a human.
TurkeybasterSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by Big Ozzie View Post That is not the point. I believe that the point that they were trying to make is that these little kids feel that when they have two identical dolls (with exception to skin color), that one could be a "Bad Doll" and one could be "Good". The only thing that these children can base their decision on is the skin color of the doll. The video shows that prejudice based on skin color starts at a young age and that despite efforts by groups and governments to create understanding and acceptance of different races, this prejudice is still just as strong as it was before the civil rights movements. I see whree you are coming from, but I disagree on where you are going with it. I think that the results are the same, however the causes are different. Obviously in the 50's there was alot of white oppression and it was blatant. Now, however, I think that the oppression is from the black people themselves. Children are a very good litmus test, especially at that age. They are beginning to learn and draw conclusions on their own. When I see this video, it tells me that they look around their world and what does it tell them. When they see white, they see something good and kind. When they see black they see "bad". This for sure isn't taught from home, as they are raised in black family's. Take charge of your life. Don't blame people for your problems, and make a change by being a role model to the children and these things would not happen. If blacks can't change their preceptions of themselves then who can?
TurkeybasterSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by maurice View Post well i'm in psychology, have had a lot of research courses, and i can tell you this study sucks big time. the original guy either had no clue about scientific methods or was extremely biased. you could explain such behaviors in a lot of different ways. maybe white is just a more appealing color in general - who buys a fucking brown car? - or, maybe the adds the kid saw all had white dolls, etc. they didnt verify or control for that. i could easily see the same experiment, using some non-racial colors like green or blue, get the same numbers. they just randomly pick an explanation out of the bag, obviously the one they wanted. thats not science. its kind of ironic how they just draw a conclusion too quickly and generalize, which is exactly what racism is based on. OMG! yeah, your right. You are probably the better, with your intro to psychology class that you got a C in. Way better to judge then someone with 2 doctorate degrees and 20 years in his field. That's right you 20 yr. old twit. DR. Kenneth Clark was the first ever black man to get a degree in psychology from fucking Columbia University and first and only black man to hold the office of President of the American Psychological Association. He is a 5 time author and considered the expert in the field of racial prejudice the world throughout. But your right, you probably know more than him Can someone give me a Pwned?
A877Salvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
What's that supposed to mean? Exactly? I was curious why it would have been a bad thing for a black child to want to play with a white doll. One person made an ignorant comment on how it was just bad and needed to change. Anything more to add to your vague comments?
gwaneSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by brownbearclan View Post I don't think this test proves a whole lot. 3/4 of the picks were for the white doll, so what. But I've said this before and I'll say it again, the negative stereotypes of black people are created by black people themselves. It really is unfortunate that the decent hard working law-abiding people of color get stereotyped because of the actions of their piers. Now if people want to actually do anything about this, try doing the obvious thing! Educate, mentor, be a positive roll model, etc. There is no quick fix for this issue, but every little bit helps. Geez dud wake the hell up , 50 years ago black where thought to hate themselvs because of the color of there skin, a self hatered that was created by slavery, black saw them selves as less then Human by a country that treated them as such ..Now we fast forward 50 yr into the future and black children still feel the same way .. self hate .. Now how is it possible for kid 50 yr ago in the past to have self hate when they did not have the type of influences the black children have today. black society is like a rape victim they find it hard to love them selves after the many year of torture and the hurt has been past down from child to child over the years.
debaser2323Salvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Gwane, you were right on. Everyone harps on the black society creating all their ills. They simply don't want to believe or are too proud to put themselves in the other person's shoes. Quite frankly, people like that will simply not understand the full scope of issues. They are the ones who are likely to come up with botched quick-fix solutions and just f things up more and compound the issue. Unfortunately, we have painfully learned the effects on society when you incorporate slavery and years of segregations and oppression. Yes, to this day we are STILL seeing how damaging that institution was. You can continue to ignore the past but that will not fix the problem. The problem is so complex that I doubt it may ever be fixed. This is the so-called "white man's burden" that you and your children will deal with. You can ignore the problems of racism (still seen today if you guys can open your eyes) until it comes into your neighborhood. It usually happens like that because a lot of white america still hold racist tendencies. Don't get me wrong, I do believe in personal responsibility, but I bet many of the success stories in America come from strong families. As Gwane pointed out, we've had years of f'ed up black family structures due to slavery which has been passed down. Does anybody have any creative solutions for that? It's too easy to point fingers. Most of you don't give an f about black america or about stopping the cycle of assumption and negative attitudes. I treat everyone with respect and try not to hold assumptions. I have broken down walls of distrust with some of my black friends by giving them the chance to speak their story. You have lots of power to create change. I don't see any leaders on this thread unfortunately - just a lot of denial. Here's to the future
TurkeybasterSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by gwane View Post Geez dud wake the hell up , 50 years ago black where thought to hate themselvs because of the color of there skin, a self hatered that was created by slavery, black saw them selves as less then Human by a country that treated them as such ..Now we fast forward 50 yr into the future and black children still feel the same way .. self hate .. Now how is it possible for kid 50 yr ago in the past to have self hate when they did not have the type of influences the black children have today. black society is like a rape victim they find it hard to love them selves after the many year of torture and the hurt has been past down from child to child over the years. Wow, maybe the first time that I may agree with you, at least in part, on a race issue. It seems to me though that the difference is that the the hate used to be forced upon them from white people and segregation, but now they simpy retain the hate themselves without outside force. As a race they need to shake it off and stop blaming others for their problems. We all have problems. Take charge of your own life. I'm sure that residual racism still lingers, but never to an extent that would keep a driven person from getting what he wanted. Racism today is a joke compared to 50 years ago. In the words of Chris Rock Quote: There's nothing more racist than an old black man. You know why? 'Cause an old black man went through some real racism. He didn't go through that l-can't-get-a-cab shit. He was the cab. A white man just jump on his back, ''Main Street. ''Left, nigger! ''Left, you fucking nigger!''
redd_420_20Salvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
they know the white doll wont rob and murder them for pocket change,but instead give them food stamps,affirmitive action,housing,medical care etc.
debaser2323Salvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
excuse me, but minorities pay state and federal taxes too you knucklehead
solahSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by brownbearclan View Post I don't think this test proves a whole lot. 3/4 of the picks were for the white doll, so what. But I've said this before and I'll say it again, the negative stereotypes of black people are created by black people themselves. It really is unfortunate that the decent hard working law-abiding people of color get stereotyped because of the actions of their piers. Now if people want to actually do anything about this, try doing the obvious thing! Educate, mentor, be a positive roll model, etc. There is no quick fix for this issue, but every little bit helps. thats a retarted thing to say because teh stereotypes portrayed in films and tv are enforced by white people.
debaser2323Salvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by redd_420_20 View Post they know the white doll wont rob and murder them for pocket change,but instead give them food stamps,affirmitive action,housing,medical care etc. plus it's easy to dish "handouts" when you are in a position of power. DOH
ZombieBunnySalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Its so easy to dismiss things or ignore issues when they dont affect YOU. I mean how many white heterosexual men go around thinking about the issues and prejudice imprinted by society/religion that a homosexual has to go through on a daily basis or how about a muslim or even a woman.
redd_420_20Salvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by debaser2323 View Post excuse me, but minorities pay state and federal taxes too you knucklehead ya the few who have jobs
debaser2323Salvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
LOL, i know you're talking out of your arse. I'm sure your not as much as a knuckhead as you put out to be.
debaser2323Salvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by redd_420_20 View Post ya the few who have jobs Yeah, but they probably disproportionately fight the wars that keep our public interests and create an environment conducive for capitalistic growth. Come on...
mauriceSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by Turkeybaster View Post OMG! yeah, your right. You are probably the better, with your intro to psychology class that you got a C in. Way better to judge then someone with 2 doctorate degrees and 20 years in his field. That's right you 20 yr. old twit. DR. Kenneth Clark was the first ever black man to get a degree in psychology from fucking Columbia University and first and only black man to hold the office of President of the American Psychological Association. He is a 5 time author and considered the expert in the field of racial prejudice the world throughout. But your right, you probably know more than him Can someone give me a Pwned? lol nice attitude. i'm bored so i'll give you a pwned myself, thanks for the offer. i believe in things that make sense, i dont care whether they come from a bum or some uber expert. if you wanna be a naive sheep that mindlessly accumulates knowledge based on the status of the people that bring it to you, go ahead. according to perry's widely used and validated scale of adult epistemological development (google it), you are officially retarded in that department. had you been born in afghanistan, you probably would've been a nice little dumb recruit for ben laden. hopefully one day you'll be able to think for yourself. i sure hope you have some knowledge of social sciences' scientific methods, otherwise you'd be discrediting my opinion on a subject you have no fucking clue about. now that would be stupid. actually, you dont have any, because if you did you'd probably agree with me like so many others in this forum: the scientifical validity of this "study" is a big 0. its fucking blatant, its not even worth arguing about it. reading 0 or 10000 books on racism doesnt have shit to do with judging a study's methodology, numbnuts. also, if you had any clue about psychology's history as a science, you'd know that in the 40s it was pretty much at its birth (thats when he did the study). type 1940 and 2006 in an article's database, and you'll get a ratio of 1/5000 or something. hence, the scientific methods teached and used back then were kinda crappy, compared to today's anyway. i'm sure mr. clark has come a long way since then, just like the field... one last thing, you said "you probably know more than him". can you read english? i didnt say the conclusion he reached was crap - actually such a result wouldnt surprise me at all - i just said that the study didnt allow him to reach any conclusion. big difference mr. 80 iq pwnage. maurice, Ph.D. (soon!)
IfUcMeRunFooSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
This video proves kids are smarter than you think. Theres no need for pink or green or purple dolls, because there are no real people with those skin colors. Kids can look around themselves and get a pretty basic idea of the world that surrounds them. It may not be 100% correct but they will get the gist of things. This is where parents come in and help kids understand what they are seeing. Most people arent outwardly racist in public anymore, but people like redd_420_20 show you how quickly that comes back to the surface when they can either hide behind a mask of anonymity or are amongst those who share their same views. There are alot of people who are racist against blacks that have not even spent more time talking to or getting to know a black person than whatever amount of time they have spent arguing with black people about racism. Same for black people, but there sure seems to be more white people like that though. And another thing, there are some white people that havent done anything outwardly racist towards black people but can be "unconsciously" racist. Like those college kids who waited until Martin Luther King Jr.'s B-Day to dress up like various black people they've seen and even one kid with an obvious stereotype of black people written on his shirt. Some where reportedly even in blackface. They claim they didnt know it would offend anybody. And then it wasnt until pictures of the day were posted online and caused so much controversy that the schools (Some school in Texas and UCONN Law, one of them only 10% black)took action against it. Now they know black people dont like whites who act black and they wait until his B-Day of all days to do that??? So basically untill people realize that "conscious" or "subconscious" racism and ingnorace are one in the same and educate themselves into ways to eliminate it and not in ways to advance their own racist views this will always be an issue, whether on or under the surface.
AsskickerSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
The research is unintentionally bias. If the person asking the stupid question to the child was white then the child might prefer to save the white baby. If the person asking the stupid question was black then the child might prefer to save the black baby. Maybe a tan baby would out win them all or howabout a gorrilla. And now to see a more scientific explaination: Let's say that the parents did in fact communicate some words that meant "the racial problems in America" scaring the child somewhat about the possibility that black means "oppressed". Now as if that is what caused the "problem" we see in the video, let's now wonder why do parents dump terroristic problems on them? If your child was 14 or less you should not have said jack about the WTC attack or Saddam being a goner. I'm sick of your dumbness so I would rather believe the former, bias research. There really was no arguement about the black baby. If I was there I would have at least pretended that the black was much better just to see what the child has to say because nothing meaningful was said. Its leading evidence research.
debaser2323Salvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
wow, that was an asskicker DOH
TurkeybasterSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by maurice View Post lol nice attitude. i'm bored so i'll give you a pwned myself, thanks for the offer. i believe in things that make sense, i dont care whether they come from a bum or some uber expert. if you wanna be a naive sheep that mindlessly accumulates knowledge based on the status of the people that bring it to you, go ahead. according to perry's widely used and validated scale of adult epistemological development (google it), you are officially retarded in that department. had you been born in afghanistan, you probably would've been a nice little dumb recruit for ben laden. hopefully one day you'll be able to think for yourself. i sure hope you have some knowledge of social sciences' scientific methods, otherwise you'd be discrediting my opinion on a subject you have no fucking clue about. now that would be stupid. actually, you dont have any, because if you did you'd probably agree with me like so many others in this forum: the scientifical validity of this "study" is a big 0. its fucking blatant, its not even worth arguing about it. reading 0 or 10000 books on racism doesnt have shit to do with judging a study's methodology, numbnuts. also, if you had any clue about psychology's history as a science, you'd know that in the 40s it was pretty much at its birth (thats when he did the study). type 1940 and 2006 in an article's database, and you'll get a ratio of 1/5000 or something. hence, the scientific methods teached and used back then were kinda crappy, compared to today's anyway. i'm sure mr. clark has come a long way since then, just like the field... one last thing, you said "you probably know more than him". can you read english? i didnt say the conclusion he reached was crap - actually such a result wouldnt surprise me at all - i just said that the study didnt allow him to reach any conclusion. big difference mr. 80 iq pwnage. maurice, Ph.D. It just burns, doesn't it? When you get proven wrong? It burns HOT! I believe you said, and I quote Quote: "i can tell you this study sucks big time. the original guy either had no clue about scientific methods or was extremely biased" that sounds very close to you saying Quote: "the conclusion he reached was crap" And I guess that his methods were good enough to help pass Brown v. Board of Education and end segregation. Also, by your statement, you did imply that you knew more about scientific methods than someone who held the office of President of the American Psychological Association, which is voted upon by a national board of peers. And if you think for a second that I believe you are a Ph.D. after your first comment, you need to go see a psychologist. Unless of course you got it from"Ph.D.s R-Us". Saying you have a Ph.D. is easy to do behind a computer screen. Also, as a psychologist you would know that dolls are very commonly used in child psychology. It allows them to express thoughts, ideas, and feelings non-verbally, which works much better for children of that age. Way to whip out "adult epistemoligical development", was that last nights homework asignment, or did you just flip through the index of your "intro to psychology" book to find that?
IfUcMeRunFooSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by Asskicker View Post If I was there I would have at least pretended that the black was much better just to see what the child has to say because nothing meaningful was said. That is the reason alot of high profile court cases dont have cameras in the courtroom everyday and why they dont take public polls of who thinks the accused is guilty or innocent (even thought they still get media coverage, but still nowhere near what they would get if cameras were allowed every single day)...because it would cause the jury to tend to go with what everyone else thinks instead of what they comeup with themselves, therefore defiying the whole point of a fair trial. The same can be said for the experiment. Let the kid choose for itself to get a truly unbiased answer.
TurkeybasterSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by IfUcMeRunFoo View Post That is the reason alot of high profile court cases dont have cameras in the courtroom everyday and why they dont take public polls of who thinks the accused is guilty or innocent (even thought they still get media coverage, but still nowhere near what they would get if cameras were allowed every single day)...because it would cause the jury to tend to go with what everyone else thinks instead of what they comeup with themselves, therefore defiying the whole point of a fair trial. The same can be said for the experiment. Let the kid choose for itself to get a truly unbiased answer. Uhhh, if you are a jury member in many high profile court cases, i.e. the OJ case, they are completely isolated from any outside information. The jury members were not allowed to read anything that wasnt approved beforehand. Otherwise, that is considered jury tampering and the defendant could call for a mis-trial.
DozenSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by Inferno View Post This video shows nothing. What is painful about it? What is bad? Ooo. Black kids like playing with a white doll. Something must be changed!!! No. Just no. Just Like Inferno said it.I dont think there is something to worry about And anyway,ppl will always judge by race.There is nothing you can do to erase the past. I mean,for myself I am not a racist cuz I dont judge by race.But some races I dont like cuz most of them behav bad. For example in my city ,the turkish guys cause always trouble....but there are a handful of them,which are my friends.So I dont really hate the whole race. Sorry its too complicated to explain to you,cuz my english is not so well. Sad,just sad.
Studnutz1Salvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Racism is such a touchy topic in America because we have so many races...Here in a America (and probably every other country) we create our identity in society whether it be religous, race, sexuality, etc. For instance I live in Omaha, Nebraska. I live in the "west" end, it is very rare to see a minority in west Omaha, I can go days without seeing any minority. I work for a hospital down town as delivery driver and travel all over Omaha. I can see the obvious splits in cultures, for instance north east Omaha is all black, while south east omaha is all hispanic. There is no rules seperating us, it's our own choice to be more comfortable with our own identities...another example why does San Francisco have such a large gay population? We are creating our own segregation and I don't believe it is really ever going to be fixed completely, I believe there is hope it will improve but we will never rid of it. We are all to proud to belong to our own identity. I will admit I am proud to be Catholic and Irish. I don't see myself as better than anyone but I do not want to be anything else, because that is who I am. I wish everyone can see their selves as human beings but we can't, we lose ourselves in the process. My point is this is a problem that will never be solved, but we need to understand that we are all different and each identitity is going to have their own problems. I have seen so many white people I know talk all this racist garbage but when they meet a minority they treat them like any other person. The thing is alot of racism is not necessarily hatred but a shield for people to hide behind to feel like they are protecting their own identity. That is definatly not the case for all, there are some people who truly HATE which is very sad.
revxwiseSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Breaking new story. Kids have been asked which they feel safer with, a Teddy Bear or a GI Joe Doll. The majority have chosen the Teddy Bear. Kids are more likely to feel safe with a bear and this has absolutely nothing to do with the way the products are advertised. (I'm not saying black dolls are advertised negatively, but the majority of commercials have girls playing with white dolls so there tends to be an association of good feelings)
prettykateSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
first time user. Yes, I agree, Maurice is not a Doctoral candidate. He also made alot of mistakes in his writing. Since when is TEACHED the past form of the verb? Using HENCE at the begining of a sentence is what high school students do. I came on this site to thank Dr Love for the free dvds but had to reply to this video instead. I dont see what the problem is. I am a black 23 year old and KNOW EXACTLY why we are in the position in society we are in. Must go
TurkeybasterSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by prettykate View Post first time user. Yes, I agree, Maurice is not a Doctoral candidate. He also made alot of mistakes in his writing. Since when is TEACHED the past form of the verb? Using HENCE at the begining of a sentence is what high school students do. I came on this site to thank Dr Love for the free dvds but had to reply to this video instead. I dont see what the problem is. I am a black 23 year old and KNOW EXACTLY why we are in the position in society we are in. Must go Welcome to the forum. Please feel free to stick around and offer a black prespective. Right now all we really have is Gwane and he is often less than reasonable to argue with
Big OzzieSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by prettykate View Post first time user. Yes, I agree, Maurice is not a Doctoral candidate. He also made alot of mistakes in his writing. Since when is TEACHED the past form of the verb? Using HENCE at the begining of a sentence is what high school students do. I came on this site to thank Dr Love for the free dvds but had to reply to this video instead. I dont see what the problem is. I am a black 23 year old and KNOW EXACTLY why we are in the position in society we are in. Must go OH, enlightened one! Please share with the rest of us your all knowing, worldly knowledge that you have accumulated in your short 23 years! Do tell us why we are in the position that we are in.
TurkeybasterSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by Big Ozzie View Post OH, enlightened one! Please share with the rest of us your all knowing, worldly knowledge that you have accumulated in your short 23 years! Do tell us why we are in the position that we are in. Come on Ozzie, you know it was "The Man" "The Man" always holds the black people down
snufftelectSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by prettykate View Post first time user. Yes, I agree, Maurice is not a Doctoral candidate. He also made alot of mistakes in his writing. Since when is TEACHED the past form of the verb? Using HENCE at the begining of a sentence is what high school students do. I came on this site to thank Dr Love for the free dvds but had to reply to this video instead. I dont see what the problem is. I am a black 23 year old and KNOW EXACTLY why we are in the position in society we are in. Must go According to our IP checks you are in fact Dr Love. Just so you know.
DriZSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Childeren of that age don't look to skin color
borba72Salvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Her voice is pretty sexy...ooo I'd like to hear that voice whispering in my ear.
tgd_02Salvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by redd_420_20 View Post they know the white doll wont rob and murder them for pocket change,but instead give them food stamps,affirmitive action,housing,medical care etc. worst post in 6 pages! welcome to filecabi you retard!
silenthill22Salvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
It's no surprise when magazines, black actresses and Hollywood in general always whiten up black females to make them "hot". These black celebs getting plastic surgery to look more white. Society or entertainment, take your pick, has set the standard for beauty and it's so unrealistic. These children are being bombarded with this crap every day.
BuzzghSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
NIgras have closed da pools
mauriceSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by prettykate View Post first time user. Yes, I agree, Maurice is not a Doctoral candidate. He also made alot of mistakes in his writing. Since when is TEACHED the past form of the verb? Using HENCE at the begining of a sentence is what high school students do. I came on this site to thank Dr Love for the free dvds but had to reply to this video instead. I dont see what the problem is. I am a black 23 year old and KNOW EXACTLY why we are in the position in society we are in. Must go guess what, english is my 2nd language. maybe i should jump to conclusions like you and Clark like to do: since you're black, you're probably a half-pimp, half crack dealer on parole with a criminal record as long as his huge dick.
mauriceSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
oh your name is prettykate, nevermind the dick part.. lol
Jack KlompusSalvaged from archive30 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by maurice View Post well i'm in psychology, have had a lot of research courses, and i can tell you this study sucks big time. the original guy either had no clue about scientific methods or was extremely biased. you could explain such behaviors in a lot of different ways. maybe white is just a more appealing color in general - who buys a fucking brown car? - or, maybe the adds the kid saw all had white dolls, etc. they didnt verify or control for that. i could easily see the same experiment, using some non-racial colors like green or blue, get the same numbers. they just randomly pick an explanation out of the bag, obviously the one they wanted. thats not science. its kind of ironic how they just draw a conclusion too quickly and generalize, which is exactly what racism is based on. That is a good point indeed. I´m not a psychologist but I read a lot. This study is not isoleted though. There are other similar studies to back up the same exact idea of the video. This comes out from the book Body Consciousness. That is by Seymour Fisher. He is (or at least was by the time he wrote the book) a professor of psychology at the Upstate Medical Center of the State University of NY. I bought that while in NYC in a dusty secondhand bookshop. I don´t know if you have heard of the guy, but this book is pretty neat, about bodies in general from many different perspectives and, of course, there are lines about racism. Calder & Boyars publishing. From p. 67, quote: "It is likely that many Negroes have as negative a concept of black as do the white person. Several studies (for example, Williams, 1964) have shown that Negroes equate black with that which is bad and dirty. [...] The black child´s rejection of his own skin was particularly sadly revealed in one exploratory study that we carried out. This experiment was concerned with the possible theurapeutic effects of making a child more clearly aware of the boundary region of his body. [...] One of the procedures we used to intensify awareness of the body boundary involved calling the child´s attention to his skin (for example, by tickling and rubbing it). Quite innocently, we included both white and black children in our study, and to our surprise we found that while the procedure seemed to increase the body security of the white children, it had the opposite impact upon the black children. When the black children were strongly confronted by the experience of their own skin, they were really disturbed by it." On p. 79: "What happens to the body concept of the Negro or Jew who is given the message that his body is inferior? Obviously, and as already stated, he becomes convinced that his body is substandard. This is well illustrated by a number if ingenious experiments that have been able to demonstrate that Negroes secretly feel relatevely more negative toward pictures of dark-skinned than toward light-skinned Negroes and more negative toward blakc than toward white person representations. There also reports in the literature in which black children show a preference for white as compared to dark skinned dolls. [...] The intensified effort by the black community to teach its children that "Black is beatiful" is intuitively one of the most meaningful approaches that could be undertaken to cope with the attitude of the black toward himself." Btw great video. 5d. Just adding one more thing: I have some more two or three articles that point in the same direction, but they´re not in English so you will just have to take my word for it. Besides, I don´t feel like typing for ever... And for that I apologize.
TurkeybasterSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by silenthill22 View Post It's no surprise when magazines, black actresses and Hollywood in general always whiten up black females to make them "hot". These black celebs getting plastic surgery to look more white. Society or entertainment, take your pick, has set the standard for beauty and it's so unrealistic. These children are being bombarded with this crap every day. I see what you are saying, and agree that maybe those have an impact on young black teens and older, but I have a hard time thinking that they would affect a 6 year old. 6 year olds dont read Cosmo and Jet. They have never seen Monsters Ball with "Light skinned" Halley Berry. Children watch Spongebob and Teletubbies. That is why they are a good litmus test for society, as they are mostly immune to the media bombardment. But hey, what do I know. Like Maurice, I'm not a Ph.D. in psychology . That is just how I see it.
mauriceSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by Turkeybaster View Post It just burns, doesn't it? When you get proven wrong? It burns HOT! I believe you said, and I quote that sounds very close to you saying And I guess that his methods were good enough to help pass Brown v. Board of Education and end segregation. Also, by your statement, you did imply that you knew more about scientific methods than someone who held the office of President of the American Psychological Association, which is voted upon by a national board of peers. And if you think for a second that I believe you are a Ph.D. after your first comment, you need to go see a psychologist. Unless of course you got it from"Ph.D.s R-Us". Saying you have a Ph.D. is easy to do behind a computer screen. Also, as a psychologist you would know that dolls are very commonly used in child psychology. It allows them to express thoughts, ideas, and feelings non-verbally, which works much better for children of that age. Way to whip out "adult epistemoligical development", was that last nights homework asignment, or did you just flip through the index of your "intro to psychology" book to find that? seems like you didnt get it. the most brilliant psychology researcher of the 1940s would probably be a very average one today, thats how much the methods have improved since. anyhow, skills as a researcher dont have much to do with being a good candidate for the APA presidency. i know dolls are often used with kids both in research and clinical settings, just like games, drawings and projective tests. that fact doesnt make clark's study any more valid though, make some sense. you definitely have 0 clue about what makes a study valid or not. about the Ph.D. part, why the fuck would i bother writing (soon) if i was lying. about william perry's scale, i did a whole research on it, lol. part of what i did was rate about 30 subjects on the scale, so when i said you were really low on it, unlike clark's study, it was valid! when you said "it allows them to express thoughts, ideas and feelings non-verbally, which works much better for children of that age". why does it work better? cant they just share these thoughts etc verbally? i'll be waiting for your answer with a red pen... peace
matangoSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2007, 00:00
Yesterday a black doll on crack stole my ipod.
mauriceSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2007, 00:00
good job, klompus. hey i agree with clark's conclusions, which seems to have been validated by a zillion studies (cept the doll one!). i remember he did a research where he asked black kids to draw themselves; a lot of them ended up using colors that were lighter than their actual skin tone. now that was a valid one, unlike the one in the video, which is just.. crap. if you're interested in psychological studies and can somehow access a university network, go see the psycINFO database. basically every freaking research is in there, its great! type (self-concept or body concept) and (afro-american or black).. or something. theres probably tons of studies, about how blacks see themselves, that use roger's popular self-concept theory.
TurkeybasterSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by maurice View Post seems like you didnt get it. the most brilliant psychology researcher of the 1940s would probably be a very average one today, thats how much the methods have improved since. anyhow, skills as a researcher dont have much to do with being a good candidate for the APA presidency. i know dolls are often used with kids both in research and clinical settings, just like games, drawings and projective tests. that fact doesnt make clark's study any more valid though, make some sense. you definitely have 0 clue about what makes a study valid or not. about the Ph.D. part, why the fuck would i bother writing (soon) if i was lying. about william perry's scale, i did a whole research on it, lol. part of what i did was rate about 30 subjects on the scale, so when i said you were really low on it, unlike clark's study, it was valid! when you said "it allows them to express thoughts, ideas and feelings non-verbally, which works much better for children of that age". why does it work better? cant they just share these thoughts etc verbally? i'll be waiting for your answer with a red pen... peace Oh, dont even try on the "(soon)" thing. I know you came back and edited that in after the fact . How do I know? Because I quoted you and it was not in there, and no I didn't tamper with it. Anyway, it is clear that I am not going to convince you otherwise, and you are not going to change my mind, so we are going to just have to agree to disagree. I think I have more people that agree with my statements as opposed to yours, but since it is a matter of opinion and not a black and white issue (Pardon the punn) there really is no wrong answer. I am by no means conceeding, I'm just tired of wasting my breath . But I must admit that it was a fun exchange . C-ya on the next topic
MonstermashSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by maurice View Post well i'm in psychology, have had a lot of research courses, and i can tell you this study sucks big time. the original guy either had no clue about scientific methods or was extremely biased. you could explain such behaviors in a lot of different ways. maybe white is just a more appealing color in general - who buys a fucking brown car? - or, maybe the adds the kid saw all had white dolls, etc. they didnt verify or control for that. i could easily see the same experiment, using some non-racial colors like green or blue, get the same numbers. they just randomly pick an explanation out of the bag, obviously the one they wanted. thats not science. its kind of ironic how they just draw a conclusion too quickly and generalize, which is exactly what racism is based on. I agree with the comments above, we don't know the reasons behind why the children made the choices they made. If they were given a choice between more colours or even different looking dolls, or dolls even dressed differently, this may have changed the outcome. There needs to be be more advanced research, I don't think you can take those findings at face value.
TacHeadSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2007, 00:00
What a load of bollocks... I dont see what the hell that has to do with Racism a black girl chosing a white doll.. Whoop de fucking doo, whats so good about that?
youknowmeSalvaged from archive31 Jan 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by Rabid Kimba View Post It's funny how many of you think this is a none issue, I wonder how many posters here are black, so we can hear the other prespective, it's too one sided here. It's a good thing they don't do a study on the racism that goes on in this website's (or any other website's) forums. Everytime theres a video about a black person there's always comments with people using the "N" word or saying how much they hate black people. Those people are the same people who don't see anything wrong with this video.
daverskullySalvaged from archive31 Jan 2007, 00:00
Why is ANYONE listening to a 17 year old's "research"? It's mind boggling that this was even on the news. The station must have ran out of interviews of grade primary students on their thoughts of ThE FirSt DAy of ScHoOl. This girl knows nothing of research. I could write a few pages about how stupid this "experiment" is and why anyone is listening to it, but I don't have the time. I don't even know why I comment on these things anymore. This entire message board community has the IQ of a paperclip.
mauriceSalvaged from archive1 Feb 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by Turkeybaster View Post I think I have more people that agree with my statements as opposed to yours, but since it is a matter of opinion... see above comment . it is a matter of opinion but not much; judging a study's validity goes by pretty objective criterias. its not like "hey man i like carrots and you dont"...
porcelinaSalvaged from archive2 Feb 2007, 00:00
(first time user) we like to think along the lines of "black people have been here for a few hundred years, so they're not really a minority anymore." not true. black population in America is still only 13% (source). that's not a whole lot. white people rule the majority with a population of 80% in the US. Most television shows, ads, models (as one poster has mentioned: "black actresses and Hollywood in general always whiten up black females to make them "hot".") are just examples of (from a sociological perspective) integration. Most people see this as being racist or racially biased. It's just human nature. In cultures that have a majority of black people, the minority of white people integrate in the same manner. just some food for thought before people start slinging around the term "racist".
cet30048Salvaged from archive3 Feb 2007, 00:00
This video has nothing to stand on, how do we know these kids are'nt supposed to pick the white dolls. What if this "filmmaker" decided to only show the kids who choose white dolls? It looked rather staged to me. People like this are truly moronic to use little kids to exploit difference in race, especially ones who are'nt even old enough to realize what they are doing is being used as another attempt at fueling a dying fire, which is racial differences.
gwaneSalvaged from archive25 Feb 2007, 00:00
This tread should not be labeled "How black children view white children" thats far from the truth when it should be labeled "How black children view themselves." is more accurate ..
gwaneSalvaged from archive25 Feb 2007, 00:00
Quote: Originally Posted by debaser2323 View Post Gwane, you were right on. Everyone harps on the black society creating all their ills. They simply don't want to believe or are too proud to put themselves in the other person's shoes. Quite frankly, people like that will simply not understand the full scope of issues. They are the ones who are likely to come up with botched quick-fix solutions and just f things up more and compound the issue. Unfortunately, we have painfully learned the effects on society when you incorporate slavery and years of segregations and oppression. Yes, to this day we are STILL seeing how damaging that institution was. You can continue to ignore the past but that will not fix the problem. The problem is so complex that I doubt it may ever be fixed. This is the so-called "white man's burden" that you and your children will deal with. You can ignore the problems of racism (still seen today if you guys can open your eyes) until it comes into your neighborhood. It usually happens like that because a lot of white america still hold racist tendencies. Don't get me wrong, I do believe in personal responsibility, but I bet many of the success stories in America come from strong families. As Gwane pointed out, we've had years of f'ed up black family structures due to slavery which has been passed down. Does anybody have any creative solutions for that? It's too easy to point fingers. Most of you don't give an f about black america or about stopping the cycle of assumption and negative attitudes. I treat everyone with respect and try not to hold assumptions. I have broken down walls of distrust with some of my black friends by giving them the chance to speak their story. You have lots of power to create change. I don't see any leaders on this thread unfortunately - just a lot of denial. Here's to the future as long as you see the problem there is hope .. thank you..

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