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1. FileCabi.netSalvaged from archive2 May 2007, 00:00
   Never before seen Video of WTC 9/11 attack
2. K-LabSalvaged from archive2 May 2007, 00:00
   Every time I see video of those planes hitting that building I always egt the same feeling I got when I first seen them hit on TV.Terrible terrible tragedy.
3. jonmcc33Salvaged from archive2 May 2007, 00:00
   Quote: Originally Posted by K-Lab View Post Every time I see video of those planes hitting that building I always egt the same feeling I got when I first seen them hit on TV.Terrible terrible tragedy. Every time I hear about Muslims in the Middle East getting executed I feel no pity. Let them all die and let them all kill each other.
4. andrexoteSalvaged from archive2 May 2007, 00:00
   Quote: Originally Posted by jonmcc33 View Post Every time I hear about Muslims in the Middle East getting executed I feel no pity. Let them all die and let them all kill each other. you,kid, are so punchable..
5. Oni-NekoSalvaged from archive2 May 2007, 00:00
   Quote: Originally Posted by K-Lab View Post Every time I see video of those planes hitting that building I always egt the same feeling I got when I first seen them hit on TV.Terrible terrible tragedy. Every time I see footage of it, I think how much the impact of the plane looked more like a detonation. I'd like to see more intel on the alleged government conspiracy behind 9/11.
6. Rabid KimbaSalvaged from archive2 May 2007, 00:00
   Quote: Originally Posted by jonmcc33 View Post Every time I hear about Muslims in the Middle East getting executed I feel no pity. Let them all die and let them all kill each other. But see it's the hypocrisy of the U.S. government that pisses me off almost as much as the Arab terrorists themselves. We attacked Iraq but the main culprit was Saudi Arabia (nothing but Saudi terrorists inside those planes), our allies. Why won't the USA bomb the shit outta Saudi Arabia? This is why... http://www.cis.umassd.edu/~gleung/panofo/xts27.jpg America has sold itself to the devil.
7. JokermanSalvaged from archive2 May 2007, 00:00
   Damn that plane was MOVING!
8. sokule10Salvaged from archive2 May 2007, 00:00
   FAKE!!! hehe, had to say it
9. guidedbyvoicesSalvaged from archive2 May 2007, 00:00
   Quote: Originally Posted by Oni-Neko View Post Every time I see footage of it, I think how much the impact of the plane looked more like a detonation. I'd like to see more intel on the alleged government conspiracy behind 9/11. You should read more books on the subject matter. Looks and diatribe can be convincing and misleading to many that take information off the net (ie, blogs) and other unprofessional media sources as some sort of ill-conceived professional P.O.V.. Usually it is inflated political rhetoric used as propaganda talking points. Here's a link to put you forth in a non-fictional direction: http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html Here's a good book on the matter: http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-M.../dp/158816635X Here's another (Bipartisan) book you can actually check out at your local library: http://www.the911commissionreport.com/ Happy reading.
10. KelstaSalvaged from archive2 May 2007, 00:00
    I still feel for the poeple that died, and those that were left behind however, i'm getting sick of 9/11 bing used as an excuse for everything the US does overseas. I couldn't give to shits that they went into IRAQ, it was a fucked up place before, but i hate being lied to as to why. As someone said before Saudi Arabian citizens where the only terrorists on those planes, why say Saddam was involved when he clearly wasn't.
11. BraldoSalvaged from archive2 May 2007, 00:00
    Your own president do this, think about it.
12. Boingy420Salvaged from archive2 May 2007, 00:00
    Quote: Originally Posted by Oni-Neko View Post Every time I see footage of it, I think how much the impact of the plane looked more like a detonation. I'd like to see more intel on the alleged government conspiracy behind 9/11. Truth. The towers are the first buildings in history to collapse from an explosion too lol skyscraper-wise lol
13. RhomphaiaSalvaged from archive
    Yay, another shit-stirring video from filecab...
14. CurmudgeonSalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by Boingy420 View Post Truth. The towers are the first buildings in history to collapse from an explosion too lol skyscraper-wise lol [REMOVED] Like Jonah Goldberg notes, pointing out again and again the fallacies of the conspiracy theorists misses the point. The point is we shouldn't have to argue with crazy people.
15. Oni-NekoSalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by guidedbyvoices View Post You should read more books on the subject matter. Looks and diatribe can be convincing and misleading to many that take information off the net (ie, blogs) and other unprofessional media sources as some sort of ill-conceived professional P.O.V.. Usually it is inflated political rhetoric used as propaganda talking points. Here's a link to put you forth in a non-fictional direction: http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html Here's a good book on the matter: http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-M.../dp/158816635X Here's another (Bipartisan) book you can actually check out at your local library: http://www.the911commissionreport.com/ Happy reading. Thanks much for the info. I'll be sure to study up a bit more, and hopefully dig up a few of my own good sources.
16. VagrantToadSalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by Kelsta View Post I still feel for the poeple that died, and those that were left behind however, i'm getting sick of 9/11 bing used as an excuse for everything the US does overseas. I couldn't give to shits that they went into IRAQ, it was a fucked up place before, but i hate being lied to as to why. As someone said before Saudi Arabian citizens where the only terrorists on those planes, why say Saddam was involved when he clearly wasn't. Wow I wish I thought in cliches. Your [REMOVED] without an original thought. You do not know what the US should do. If US did attack saudi arabia you would bitch about that too.
17. RaidenatorSalvaged from archive
    Please PLEASE for the love of god don't start spouting off about it being a government consipiracy. After my own research into the matter I just find it a bunch of bullshit. I think Maddox illustrates it pretty well, here's a link for reference. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=911_morons I'm not saying Maddox' word is law, but I read his article about it after I figured it out for myself, and it makes perfect sense to me.
18. guidedbyvoicesSalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post [REMOVED] Like Jonah Goldberg notes, pointing out again and again the fallacies of the conspiracy theorists misses the point. The point is we shouldn't have to argue with crazy people. I agree with your notation by Goldberg even though you're using it in questionable context. You see, why call people idiots when they don't agree or even understand your perspective (in your case, one you did not put forth). Is it not better to draw people to knowledge and debate rather than to black-flag them as imbeciles? Case in point; my approach to Onie-Necko(sp?) I posted earlier. I know it's a touchy subject but try to lighten up a bit Curm. My 5th grade teacher once told me 'ignorance' is NOT to be confused with 'idiocy'. That much is undeniable.
19. deathfromaboveSalvaged from archive
    depends on where the {conspiracy theories} came from and which you choose to accept
20. CurmudgeonSalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by guidedbyvoices View Post I agree with your notation by Goldberg even though you're using it in questionable context. You see, why call people idiots when they don't agree or even understand your perspective (in your case, one you did not put forth). Is it not better to draw people to knowledge and debate rather than to black-flag them as imbeciles? In this case, no; because you have to be an imbecile to believe the conspiracy bullshit even after it's been debunked thousands of ways by thousands of people. I only trouble with drawing people to knowledge if they demonstrate that they're receptive to it; and a debate with someone who isn't is a fool's errand. There's a difference between ignorance and willful ignorance. Notice Oni-Neko doesn't actually advocate the conspiracy position, but merely expresses curiosity about it. The people who do advocate the 9/11 conspiracy crap, frankly, aren't worth arguing with because they cling to their notions no matter how many times they are incontrovertibly proven wrong and how overwhelming the evidence is against them. They simply retort that the evidence is falsified as part of the conspiracy or that the debunkers are a part of it -- the intellectual equivalent of "nanny-nanny-boo-boo." It's become a religion to these nutwhacks, and I long ago grew tired of arguing with the cultists.
21. MightyTinySalvaged from archive
    Conspiracy theorists are very much like religious fundamentalists, I've found - mainly, that they are very sceptical.... very selectively. Anything with "the government" even marginally associated with it will immediately be subject to the closest scrutiny to look for any signs of conspiracy - even an appearance of something unusual (even if that's an appearance that would evaporate with 5 minutes of thought or study) will be presented as proof of a conspiracy. On the other hand, their own conspiracy theories are not subjected to any sort of critical scrutiny - there's no standard the evidence is required to meet, provided that the evidence can be seen to support the conspiracy. Further, conspiracy theorists tend to trust their own arm-chair philosopher's judgements on subjects they have no expertice on, subjects which absolutely would require that expertice to fairly and realistically evaluate the matter. The "experts" the conspiracy theorist cites for his case aren't scrutinized for their credentials, or actual level of expertise - these experts, if they publish their views for peer review (which is rare), tend to publish in obscure publications that aren't specialized to the relevant field. (This way, the "peers" that judge the publication, won't actually have any expertice in the subject, to tell whether it's good or a load of junk - thus defeating the purpose of peer review.) Conspiracy theorists often also pick and choose camera angles and pictures which can be seen to support their case, and neglect to show those camera angels and pictures which would undermine it. They use quotes out of context, to make it appear that something was said that wasn't actually said. And lastly, they protect the conspiracy from potential falsification - if you make too good arguments against the conspiracy, then you must be working for the government, and in on it, OR if the presented "evidence" can be undermined and argued against, or there's a lack of evidence, then that just goes to show how clever the conspiracy is. Thus it is impossible, even in principle, to convince a hard line conspiracy theorist of the fallacy of the conspiracy claim; simply because lack of evidence is just as much evidence for the conspiracy as actual evidence. Compare all these tactics to the religious fundamentalist's tactics - the similarities are striking. Distortion or selective reporting of evidence, promotion of flimsy and thoroughly refuted "experts", recycling of arguments which have been refuted ad nauseum, quoting out of context, applying different evidentiary standards for their belief than for everything else, judging arm-chair philosophies and gut feelings as authorative, as if they'd come from an expert, and protecting the belief against any attempt to undermine it. (The religious fundamentalist's tactic only differs in detail - if an argument against the belief is too good, then it's the devil tempting you!) Here's a pretty good article critically examining the claims of the 911-conspiracy theorists: http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/06-09-11.html Recommended reading for anyone on the fence about the subject - as said, nothing can convince a hard line conspiracy theorist, but those who still have an open mind left will find that article very revealing and informative.
22. RTYaoSalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by VagrantToad View Post Wow I wish I thought in cliches. Your an idiot without an original thought. You do not know what the US should do. If US did attack saudi arabia you would bitch about that too. haha yeah no shit this guy it right people find anything to complain about just like the fucking media I mean with Anna Nicole and shit who honestly wanted to fucking know like maybe .0000007% of the world no one gave a shit but everyone else was tired of "the war on terror"
23. ICE420Salvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by Boingy420 View Post Truth. The towers are the first buildings in history to collapse from an explosion too lol skyscraper-wise lol Yup and WTC 7 became the 3rd and that was not even hit by a plane.
24. ICE420Salvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post You're an idiot. Like Jonah Goldberg notes, pointing out again and again the fallacies of the conspiracy theorists misses the point. The point is we shouldn't have to argue with crazy people. Calling someone an idiot because of their opinion , wow that´s brave and show´s you have the communication skills of a dead goat.
25. MaelstromccSalvaged from archive
    i very much liked the point of views brought up by the guys behind the loose change documentries. go google video it and im sure its still there. and try not to "poo poo" every idea that goes against the ruling body b/c once upon a time, the world was flat.
26. CurmudgeonSalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by ICE420 View Post Calling someone an idiot because of their opinion , wow that´s brave and show´s you have the communication skills of a dead goat. Your theory presupposes there can be no idiotic opinions unworthy of serious contemplation. This theory is, of course, disproven on an hourly basis right here in the filecabi forums. Now go back to fucking your dead goat.
27. RhomphaiaSalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by Maelstromcc View Post and try not to "poo poo" every idea that goes against the ruling body b/c once upon a time, the world was flat. So you're saying that anyone who doesn't think the events of 9/11 was a conspiracy is saying the world is flat? Nice way of "poo-pooing" someone else's views... Anyways, a major hole was blown into the conspiracy theory Sunday by way of traffic accident. A tanker truck filled with gasoline crashed on the Oakland Bay Bridge and the contents spilled out and caught fire. In the open inferno, the steel of the bridge weakened and collapsed (some reports say steel melted by I doubt that). Now jet fuel burns a hell of a lot hotter than gasoline, plus the interiors of those buildings were basically in blast furnace conditions. Given that and the immense friction produced by the collapse, I would actually be quite surprised if the steel in the WTC towers did not melt.
28. CurmudgeonSalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by Maelstromcc View Post i very much liked the point of views brought up by the guys behind the loose change documentries. go google video it and im sure its still there. and try not to "poo poo" every idea that goes against the ruling body b/c once upon a time, the world was flat. Poo-poo this: The jagmopes behind the Loose Change "documentary" are actually PART of the conspiracy. They are actually government plants whose patently absurd claims and theories are calculated to discredit 9/11 conspiracy theorists by making them look like barking-mad, unhinged cranks. After all, why would the government conspirators let them disseminate their information about the theory unless it's actually disinformation? HUH?? I have to admit, it's the most brilliant part of the conspiracy because it works so well...
29. CurmudgeonSalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by Rhomphaia View Post Anyways, a major hole was blown into the conspiracy theory Sunday by way of traffic accident. A tanker truck filled with gasoline crashed on the Oakland Bay Bridge and the contents spilled out and caught fire. In the open inferno, the steel of the bridge weakened and collapsed (some reports say steel melted by I doubt that). Chimpy McBushitler orchestrated it to send a message to all the peace-loving hippies in San Fran! (You watch -- the conspiracy theories will start pouring forth soon enough...)
30. fakebritishSalvaged from archive
    who cares who did this or that, the truth is dropping 1000000 million bombs and deploy hundreds of thousands of troops will not bring those people back and the US gov dosn't care about bringing them back or honour their memory they just care about making the fat cats pockets fatter than they are and that’s the whole thing. Pity such a beautiful country with so many great people has such a bad judgement when it comes to elections. BTW the truth conspiracy is that GWB didn't win the elections in the 1st place and that’s a proved fact.
31. macphisto80Salvaged from archive
    Holy fuck! I've stumbled upon a hive of my worst fear - bullshiting yanks! Can you fuckers not have a conversation without being so serious and shoving bullshit down another bullshitter's neck, one after the other. Abuse eachother in a funny matter. Try to get a laugh out of it. Seriously, no wonder you fucks are shooting eachother dead in schools. You lot talk too much shit, like anyone even gives a flying fuck! You ARN't gonna convince anyone of anything. Shit talkers. Imagine being stuck in an elevator with a bunch of shit-talking Yanks. Christ! I'd chew my own bollocks off! Oh, and as for conspiracies - there ain't no smoke without fire. Your goverment made a massive shit sandwich, and yer all taking a bite from it. YUM! How's it taste!?
32. HailsSalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by FileCabi.net View Post Never before seen Video of WTC 9/11 attack Disturbing , very disturbing still till this day.
33. S14DGENER8Salvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by Rabid Kimba View Post But see it's the hypocrisy of the U.S. government that pisses me off almost as much as the Arab terrorists themselves. We attacked Iraq but the main culprit was Saudi Arabia (nothing but Saudi terrorists inside those planes), our allies. Why won't the USA bomb the shit outta Saudi Arabia? This is why... http://www.cis.umassd.edu/~gleung/panofo/xts27.jpg America has sold itself to the devil. I agree with you 100%
34. S14DGENER8Salvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by Oni-Neko View Post Every time I see footage of it, I think how much the impact of the plane looked more like a detonation. I'd like to see more intel on the alleged government conspiracy behind 9/11. I forgot what it was made out of but it was made out of something that has never been metled by fire at that temperature
35. Oni-NekoSalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by guidedbyvoices View Post I agree with your notation by Goldberg even though you're using it in questionable context. You see, why call people idiots when they don't agree or even understand your perspective (in your case, one you did not put forth). Is it not better to draw people to knowledge and debate rather than to black-flag them as imbeciles? Case in point; my approach to Onie-Necko(sp?) I posted earlier. I know it's a touchy subject but try to lighten up a bit Curm. My 5th grade teacher once told me 'ignorance' is NOT to be confused with 'idiocy'. That much is undeniable. This is exactly why I posted what I did in the context that I did. Simply stating that I've heard it's a conspiracy, and from outward appearances LOOKED like a conspiracy. I knew someone here would be civil, not call me an idiot and actually share some valid information. If there were more people that thought like you, I think the world would be a heck of a lot more educated. More people would just prefer to call you stupid than to educate you.
36. Oni-NekoSalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by Rhomphaia View Post So you're saying that anyone who doesn't think the events of 9/11 was a conspiracy is saying the world is flat? Nice way of "poo-pooing" someone else's views... That's the most ridiculous statement I've ever seen on here to date. How do you even make that connection!? He's saying not to reject something SIMPLY BECAUSE it goes against the general consensus. He reinforces this by stating that the general consensus at one point was that the world was flat. Quote: Originally Posted by macphisto80 View Post Holy fuck! I've stumbled upon a hive of my worst fear - bullshiting yanks! Can you fuckers not have a conversation without being so serious and shoving bullshit down another bullshitter's neck, one after the other. Abuse eachother in a funny matter. Try to get a laugh out of it. Seriously, no wonder you fucks are shooting eachother dead in schools. You lot talk too much shit, like anyone even gives a flying fuck! You ARN't gonna convince anyone of anything. Shit talkers. Imagine being stuck in an elevator with a bunch of shit-talking Yanks. Christ! I'd chew my own bollocks off! Oh, and as for conspiracies - there ain't no smoke without fire. Your goverment made a massive shit sandwich, and yer all taking a bite from it. YUM! How's it taste!? Your generalized statements reveal much about your character.
37. SurfSargeSalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by macphisto80 View Post Holy fuck! I've stumbled upon a hive of my worst fear - bullshiting yanks! Can you fuckers not have a conversation without being so serious and shoving bullshit down another bullshitter's neck, one after the other. Abuse eachother in a funny matter. Try to get a laugh out of it. Seriously, no wonder you fucks are shooting eachother dead in schools. You lot talk too much shit, like anyone even gives a flying fuck! You ARN't gonna convince anyone of anything. Shit talkers. Imagine being stuck in an elevator with a bunch of shit-talking Yanks. Christ! I'd chew my own bollocks off! Oh, and as for conspiracies - there ain't no smoke without fire. Your goverment made a massive shit sandwich, and yer all taking a bite from it. YUM! How's it taste!? [REMOVED] You sure do flap them lips alot for a Noob!
38. snufftelectSalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by Raidenator View Post Oh my god, I am so sick of hearing people say that because we aren't seeing immediate effects from the Iraqi conflict, that we had no intention of obtaining oil. Here's the thing lithus, Saddam hated the U.S. That wasn't a secret. There was an extremely visible threat that he would cut us off from obtaining any oil from Iraq. So the U.S. wants to make sure that when the time comes, we have access to the oil as needed. The reason we don't invade Mexico? Mexico and the U.S. don't hate each other. We have mutual trade and there's no reason to harm that. We get the oil we want. We're paying as much as we are for oil, not because of the government, but because of the fucking oil companies. They are currently in control of how much we're paying for gas right now. We have plenty of oil in reserve, but they want to line their pockets with cash just like they did before. They can get away with it too, because it's a monopoly basically. Great post, first of all. My POV, however, differs slightly. It wasn't so much a case of Saddam hating the US, it was more a case of Saddam's uncanny ability to fuck everybody over through underhand dealing and getting away with it, thus undermining the market. I'd further argue that the current occupation of the Middle East is an attempt at stabilising not only the market as a whole but the Middle East as a conduit for oil from the Caspian, Russia and the Persian Gulf into Europe, India and Pakistan, thus avoiding (or being in itself an attempt at avoiding) the possibility of future, world-wide recession due to rising oil prices. The post you quoted, therefore, is not entirely wrong - it is indeed about much more than oil! EDIT: Having just watched the video and at risk of stating the obvious, it really was a big fuckin' bang. Every time I see footage I'm awed by it's scale, and I feel about it as poignantly as if it were in my own back yard.
39. VedSalvaged from archive
    every time i see any type of 9/11 video i get depressed
40. apoCALipto2012Salvaged from archive
    LOL u fools crack me up , i find this funny how u guys bag on these conspiracy theorist, but can u tell me how buiding seven fell, dont tell me it was from debris lol ,its all conspiracy no theory WAKE UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
41. MightyTinySalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by apoCALipto2012 View Post LOL u fools crack me up , i find this funny how u guys bag on these conspiracy theorist, but can u tell me how buiding seven fell, dont tell me it was from debris lol ,its all conspiracy no theory WAKE UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/06-09-11.html Search for "Building 7" - that article covers it pretty well. Why don't conspiracy theorists ever seem to read any material on the conspiracy claims if it doesn't agree with their pre-conceived ideas? How about actually learning the positios of the sceptics as well, in an effort to make a balanced judgement on who's in need of been shaken awake?
42. apoCALipto2012Salvaged from archive
    man u all sound the same i read all ur so called scientific side of the story ie popular science and all the links etc and it doesnt make sense infact it goes against common sense . come on now open ur eyes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA_xXWSXyFI
43. Gay GunmanSalvaged from archive
    Ive heard somewhere that in making of the twin towers, they where actually made to withstand a direct hit from either a Boeing 707 or an 747. (I cant remember) All that talk about how the fuel created so much heat to melt the steel is all bullshit. If in that case that did happen, there would still be a structural frame directly in the middle. In any case, not to be rude, but come'on its done and over with, just get over it...
44. MightyTinySalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by apoCALipto2012 View Post man u all sound the same i read all ur so called scientific side of the story ie popular science and all the links etc and it doesnt make sense infact it goes against common sense . come on now open ur eyes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA_xXWSXyFI I get tired of repeating myself - go back and read some of my earlier posts in this thread (starting on page 5). The claims of conspiracy theorists have been refuted time and again, and yet they keep recycling the same old, and demonstrably false ideas. As for "common sense" - our "common sense" applies over common things; things we have experience of, things we can say to be experts on. Are you an expert on building collapses and the effects of high velocity impacts on sky scrapers? Are you a structural engineer? If not, then why should your "common sense" be reliable in judging these things? I mean if you tell someone who's never seen an airplane that people can fly using machines, they'll tell you that that's just silly - it's against common sense that huge heavy objects like people and machines could stay aflote in the sky. And their "common sense" would be wrong. Why? Because airoplanes, and the principles by which they work are not understood by this person; there's nothing in his "comon experience" that would allow his "common sense" to produce reliable inferences in this situation. This is just one of the mistakes conspiracy theorists universally make: they act as if their "common sense" was a reliable guide in things they have no experience or expertice on.
45. MightyTinySalvaged from archive
    Quote: Originally Posted by Gay Gunman View Post Ive heard somewhere that in making of the twin towers, they where actually made to withstand a direct hit from either a Boeing 707 or an 747. (I cant remember) All that talk about how the fuel created so much heat to melt the steel is all bullshit. If in that case that did happen, there would still be a structural frame directly in the middle. In any case, not to be rude, but come'on its done and over with, just get over it... And you are a structural engineer specialized on the properties of steel in the event of high impact hits from passager planes? Again, what I say above, if you don't have actual expertice on a subject, your arm chair observations are worth ziltch. As for the "melting" of the steel, no such thing was needed to produce the collapse. Again, as said above, I tire of repeating myself, so go read my comments on page 5 of this thread, they address this issue.

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